Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: last ditch being used as a first strike -exploit-
Eskie wrote:
slave138 wrote:
I see no bug. Is it a bug if you target one creature and switch to another before you kill off the first? Is it a bug to attack something/someone other than a person/creature that's attacking you? It's creative use of the enviornment but hardly a bug.
TrandotionAssassin wrote:
slave138 wrote:
So where's the bug? Is it a bug that people take damage when they are attacked by MOBs? It's only exploiting if you are using a BUG to your advantage. Without a BUG there is no exploit.
TrandotionAssassin wrote:
if u use it at full health is sucks like crap, getting damaged on purpose is exploiting the game, meaning if u dont know using a bug in the game to ur own advantage.
As far as I can tell, the hunter being damaged was working as intended. The shot he used was working as intended. It might be dirty pool, but the tactic is working as intended.
the bug is using last ditch at full force w/o even touching the jedi
Its a bug being able to use an insta-incap attack as a first strike. See my other posts in this thread for the reasoning behind this statement.
It is only a bug if there is no counter. Please respond to JCweeble's excellent reply to you, I was surprised you did not, although given his arguements verus yours I can see why you avoided that.
Your whole argument is based on the flawed assumption that the devs statement is some sort of catch all that should be applied to every situation "no one hit incaps ever". Of course, anyone with half a brain or less of an unbalanced view would rightly understand that it doesn't quite mean that. It should read "no onehit incaps without a counter or risk".
There are plenty of counters a jedi or any pvper can use to migitate this and win the fight if they actually use that grey matter between their ears 
JCweeble pointed out several for you and you have failed to respond to any of these.
WittyNewt wrote:
It is only a bug if there is no counter. Please respond to JCweeble's excellent reply to you, I was surprised you did not, although given his arguements verus yours I can see why you avoided that.
Your whole argument is based on the flawed assumption that the devs statement is some sort of catch all that should be applied to every situation "no one hit incaps ever". Of course, anyone with half a brain or less of an unbalanced view would rightly understand that it doesn't quite mean that. It should read "no onehit incaps without a counter or risk".
There are plenty of counters a jedi or any pvper can use to migitate this and win the fight if they actually use that grey matter between their ears
Next you will be telling me that if I take my cl1 crafter and decide to pvp and die in one hit that its ok for me to come on here and use the same argument you have used and say "but but but the devs said there are no 1 hit incaps? blah blah blah"
At least somebody here understands me
Thanks!
/bow
WittyNewt wrote:
Eskie wrote:
slave138 wrote:
I see no bug. Is it a bug if you target one creature and switch to another before you kill off the first? Is it a bug to attack something/someone other than a person/creature that's attacking you? It's creative use of the enviornment but hardly a bug.
TrandotionAssassin wrote:
slave138 wrote:
So where's the bug? Is it a bug that people take damage when they are attacked by MOBs? It's only exploiting if you are using a BUG to your advantage. Without a BUG there is no exploit.
TrandotionAssassin wrote:
if u use it at full health is sucks like crap, getting damaged on purpose is exploiting the game, meaning if u dont know using a bug in the game to ur own advantage.
As far as I can tell, the hunter being damaged was working as intended. The shot he used was working as intended. It might be dirty pool, but the tactic is working as intended.
the bug is using last ditch at full force w/o even touching the jedi
Its a bug being able to use an insta-incap attack as a first strike. See my other posts in this thread for the reasoning behind this statement.
It is only a bug if there is no counter. Please respond to JCweeble's excellent reply to you, I was surprised you did not, although given his arguements verus yours I can see why you avoided that.Your whole argument is based on the flawed assumption that the devs statement is some sort of catch all that should be applied to every situation "no one hit incaps ever". Of course, anyone with half a brain or less of an unbalanced view would rightly understand that it doesn't quite mean that. It should read "no one hit incaps without a counter or risk".
There are plenty of counters a jedi or any pvper can use to migitate this and win the fight if they actually use that grey matter between their ears
Next you will be telling me that if I take my cl1 crafter and decide to pvp and die in one hit that its ok for me to come on here and use the same argument you have used and say "but but but the devs said there are no 1 hit incaps? blah blah blah"
Yes, my points are based on a dev statement that people on full health should not be insta-incapped by one single shot. At least people stopped pointing out that it is not an exploit because there is a chance to miss now.
"no one hit incaps without a counter or risk": Maybe that is what the devs meant, maybe its not what the devs meant. But nobody besides the devs know if they intended that statement they way they wrote it or the way you think they should have written it. The devs wrote it the way they have, so thats what counts, not what you think what should count. I strongly believe the devs meant it the way they said it, since they also said the average fight should last 1 to 3 minutes in the same document, which contradicts possible one-shot incaps.
Yes, there are counters to Last Ditch, some defensive ones, some offensive ones (which cant be used because the Jedi cannot attack the BH). But why should anybody have to defend himself against an exploit? By that reasoning, pretty much every crime is legal because there are ways to protect against most crimes.
Dlek_Krego wrote:
In addition to the method stated in this post, also beware of combatant IMP BH'ers... I witnessed an IMP BH pull out his factional Stormtrooper pet, slap it to get the instant incap. I thought he was just goofing off like I used to do... but as soon as he stood up, he fired and a female Jedi not to far from me fell, incapped. She was DB'ed before she ever had a chance to draw her saber. If that is not an overpowered exploit, I do not know what is.
I'd say this would be exploiting as the BH slapped the ST for the sole purpose of having his Health lowered so the LD would be powerful.
Being attacked by a third party and then using LD as a first attack... I'd chalk that up to circumstantial.
Eskie wrote:
WittyNewt wrote:
Eskie wrote:
slave138 wrote:
I see no bug. Is it a bug if you target one creature and switch to another before you kill off the first? Is it a bug to attack something/someone other than a person/creature that's attacking you? It's creative use of the enviornment but hardly a bug.
TrandotionAssassin wrote:
slave138 wrote:
So where's the bug? Is it a bug that people take damage when they are attacked by MOBs? It's only exploiting if you are using a BUG to your advantage. Without a BUG there is no exploit.
TrandotionAssassin wrote:
if u use it at full health is sucks like crap, getting damaged on purpose is exploiting the game, meaning if u dont know using a bug in the game to ur own advantage.
As far as I can tell, the hunter being damaged was working as intended. The shot he used was working as intended. It might be dirty pool, but the tactic is working as intended.
the bug is using last ditch at full force w/o even touching the jedi
Its a bug being able to use an insta-incap attack as a first strike. See my other posts in this thread for the reasoning behind this statement.
It is only a bug if there is no counter. Please respond to JCweeble's excellent reply to you, I was surprised you did not, although given his arguements verus yours I can see why you avoided that.
Your whole argument is based on the flawed assumption that the devs statement is some sort of catch all that should be applied to every situation "no one hit incaps ever". Of course, anyone with half a brain or less of an unbalanced view would rightly understand that it doesn't quite mean that. It should read "no one hit incaps without a counter or risk".
There are plenty of counters a jedi or any pvper can use to migitate this and win the fight if they actually use that grey matter between their ears
Next you will be telling me that if I take my cl1 crafter and decide to pvp and die in one hit that its ok for me to come on here and use the same argument you have used and say "but but but the devs said there are no 1 hit incaps? blah blah blah"
Yes, my points are based on a dev statement that people on full health should not be insta-incapped by one single shot. At least people stopped pointing out that it is not an exploit because there is a chance to miss now.
"no one hit incaps without a counter or risk": Maybe that is what the devs meant, maybe its not what the devs meant. But nobody besides the devs know if they intended that statement they way they wrote it or the way you think they should have written it. The devs wrote it the way they have, so thats what counts, not what you think what should count. I strongly believe the devs meant it the way they said it, since they also said the average fight should last 1 to 3 minutes in the same document, which contradicts possible one-shot incaps.
Yes, there are counters to Last Ditch, some defensive ones, some offensive ones (which cant be used because the Jedi cannot attack the BH). But why should anybody have to defend himself against an exploit? By that reasoning, pretty much every crime is legal because there are ways to protect against most crimes.
Lol, don't take everything you read as gospel, everyone is prone to mistakes, ambiguity, lack of clarity etc etc, SWG is not clear of bugs last time I looked so the devs arent perfect, There have been plenty of examples of misleading quoting from the devs to support this or that point of view, remembr the discussion around Thunderhearts PSG statement about ls resists intended or not? You have to use your own judgement in some cases to apply some common sense to what is written and so get to the true meaning. I am sure mine isnt quite right but it makes sense to me given the mechanics of the game I see before me.
If you truly believe the dev statement you keep quoting applies as a catch all, how about my cl1 crafter statement? I have 1000 health, surely I should be immune from a one hit incap even if I choose to enter pvp unarmored if your argument holds true. Afterall, the devs have said a fight should last 1-3mins right? So that must be absolutely some sort of hardcap right? 1min minimum, 3min maximum. So what about the 20min BH versus Jedi hunts I sometimes have? those not intended as well because of the 3min rule above?
,I would consider slapping a pet to get agro/incapped and then use LD to be exploiting, I would not consider using a random agro mob on the trail to do the same thing an exploit, its impossible to stay unagroed on the trail when you burst run down there to find your mark. .
JCWeeble wrote:
WittyNewt wrote:
It is only a bug if there is no counter. Please respond to JCweeble's excellent reply to you, I was surprised you did not, although given his arguements verus yours I can see why you avoided that.
Your whole argument is based on the flawed assumption that the devs statement is some sort of catch all that should be applied to every situation "no one hit incaps ever". Of course, anyone with half a brain or less of an unbalanced view would rightly understand that it doesn't quite mean that. It should read "no onehit incaps without a counter or risk".
There are plenty of counters a jedi or any pvper can use to migitate this and win the fight if they actually use that grey matter between their ears
Next you will be telling me that if I take my cl1 crafter and decide to pvp and die in one hit that its ok for me to come on here and use the same argument you have used and say "but but but the devs said there are no 1 hit incaps? blah blah blah"
At least somebody here understands me
/bow
Its not hard, even though a few numbskulls seem to be having problems , your couple of posts on this thread were some of the best common sense stuff I have seen here for ages. I tip my hat to you
Damn straight it's an exploit - just like Geo caves. Jedi should not be able to group together in a pack of rebels and imperials and grind xp AFK. It's just a bug that they spawn so fast. These zones shouldn't respawn at all, they are after all instanced adventure zones - not some social spot for jedi to grind with impunity.
It's a freaking bug that the wookiees don't have ANY intelligence. The poor wookiees should use better tacitics.
#1) run from jedi till they have a huge group - then all attack the weakest hitting jedi. when he incaps - death blow - none of this ingnore the incapicated. Did the jedi ignore their fallen brothers? No that jedi must have killed 10k feral wookiees already.
#2) the wookiees should all get some ranged weapons, and when they are near death - they should all open up with Last Ditch. (We know feral wookiees are CL 79, TKM-Smugglers.) In fact more smuggler type NPCs should use last ditch.
The description of Last Ditch : "This ranged attack ability is used as a last resport in battle using all of your remaining ability points and doing a scaled amount of damage depending on how close to death you are." It says nothing about this attack cannot be used as an opening attack. And as pointed out there are MANY ways you can protect yourself from this. The best thing to do is chaulk it up to experence. We should see threads like this about jedi exploiting force cloak.
Golrok wrote:
if you get killed byLD becauseyou want to hang around staring ata wounded BHwhen you should have been supicious then you get what you deserve. your simply being outsmarted stop crying nerf and watch your backs next time, like dont hangout all stupid at the spaceport in the middle of groups of BH and then cry when you get outsmarted by one.
No. See you got it all wrong. I said i was ready for the bh to attack. LEARN TO READ.You dont see me in startports, not all jedi are the same. So tell me more jokes. Read all the posts before you open your mouth.
timit wrote:
Heres the story.
Im grinding in theryyatt trail. A bh comes. I know this bh because i escaped her/him as a lower level paddy before in the myydril caves with the crystal you get from a quest down there.
So i stop attacking wookies and stand away to prepare for a fight. This bh < jadelance > runs off of the first bridge with mobs close behind her/him. Runs past and runs accross the other bridge out of my sight. She/he then comes back and hits me for 4632damage <1 shot incap>.She got close to being incapped by the mob and then use last ditch shot on me AS A FIRST STRIKE. She did not get incapped in the process. Doesnt last ditch incap both players?This is what someone else has said, and yes, i checked the combat log. <4632 damage>. A shot this powerful should not be used as a first strike attack on a bh's mark. This gives jedi no chance to react at all. So i say,the ability for bh's to use this as a initiating attack is a exploit and needs to be fixed. Flame away if you must.
Why you blaming BH's? Blame the Smugglers for this one! ROFL
timit wrote:
Heres the story.
Im grinding in theryyatt trail.
Himo_VZ wrote:
timit wrote:
Heres the story.Im grinding in the ryyatt trail.
end of story, you are a noob cookie cutter jedi
LOL, ya'll are never satisfied....
"Whaaaaaah!!!! There are too many noob Jedi running around starports!!! I don't wanna see them cuz they make me feel soooo inferior!!!! They need to be in hiding!!!!!!!!"
so they find ONE spot in the galaxy, way off in one little corner AWAY from the public eye, and we get...
"Whaaaaah!!!! There are toooo many Jedi hiding on the wookiee planet!!!!! Why won't they go running around starports so I can track them easier like they're supoosed to?????"
Ryatt trail is AWAY from the public, not ruining ANYONE's immersion... and getting the viz, so if you don't like them there, grab a mission and do something about it instead of whinning about it on the forums. You know full well where they are, so tracking them is not even an issue, just grab and go...that easy.
If that is too hard for you, then you are a n00b cookie cutter BH, end of story.