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pussycat wrote:

This is true... the gun had to be taken away, some just weren't mature enough to use it wisely... When I think about it, I guess that if everyone who took Jedi missions had acted maturely and without intent to grief... maybe I wouldn't have objected to the forced pvp...

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pussycat wrote:

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Raganius wrote:
I have hunted 4 jedi. And 3 of them were people i was testing stuff against.

And you are still missing the point. There was no forced PvP. Those that became jedi did so knowing they were opening themselves to combat. You were at no point in the game forced to become a jedi. Hell, you had to go out of your way to become one. Taking a Jedi bounty was part and parcel of the BH progression. No NPC mark had XP or Cash payouts like the Jedi ones did.

So in closing, you got your way with the CU2. You attempts at rubbing people noses in the fact that player bounties are gone does nothing but show how tiny and bitter those of you doing it are. So now you get your carebear game, and I hope you enjoy it. Just remember, you aren't as Uber as you used to be, I wonder how long it will take before there are people weeping in the jedi forum about not being able to solo things like they used to.

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The fact that as a Jedi you were vulnerable to an attack didn't mean you HAD to pvp... there were usually ways to avoid pvp if you didn't care for it. But, if it happened, it was forced pvp. And I'm sorry, but once they added the loot to NPC BH marks, it became easily far more profitable than hunting other players, I know people who looted CA's that sold for 10 or even 20 million credits.

There is no attempt whatsoever to do anything other than to reflect on the passing of a game mechanic that came to be associated with griefing, and with great animosity and hostility that divided the player community. Anything that stands to reduce such divisions between players can only be a good thing, it will make the game a nicer place to spend time in.

And lastly, as I said before, I never once cared about being "uber", in fact, I wish nobody had ever pursued Jedi simply because they wanted to be "uber". If the people who did it to be "uber" decide to quit the game at this point, perhaps that will be a good thing for the game.

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Message Edited by Raganius on 11-08-2005 09:03 PM

Message Edited by Raganius on 11-08-2005 09:06 PM

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Dallow wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

This is true... the gun had to be taken away, some just weren't mature enough to use it wisely... When I think about it, I guess that if everyone who took Jedi missions had acted maturely and without intent to grief... maybe I wouldn't have objected to the forced pvp...

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Whoa! Hold the phone. Are you saying that if every BH acted as an adult you might not have objected to this? Does this hold true even if the BH didn't give you warning? If so, than I can at least take some comfort in knowing you are not completely stubborn in your views.

You see, I too will agree that a number of BH's used this as a tool of grief. I agree that those BH's had a large part in having player bounties removed.

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Then we have something we agree on... a forced pvp situation with mature and stable people is one thing - but one with a lot of griefers and some borderline psychos, that's quite another. (And yes, I do realize the bad apples may have been a minority, this is not a generalization in any way, shape, or form).

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pussycat wrote:

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Dallow wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

This is true... the gun had to be taken away, some just weren't mature enough to use it wisely... When I think about it, I guess that if everyone who took Jedi missions had acted maturely and without intent to grief... maybe I wouldn't have objected to the forced pvp...

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Whoa! Hold the phone. Are you saying that if every BH acted as an adult you might not have objected to this? Does this hold true even if the BH didn't give you warning? If so, than I can at least take some comfort in knowing you are not completely stubborn in your views.

You see, I too will agree that a number of BH's used this as a tool of grief. I agree that those BH's had a large part in having player bounties removed.

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Then we have something we agree on... a forced pvp situation with mature and stable people is one thing - but one with a lot of griefers and some borderline psychos, that's quite another. (And yes, I do realize the bad apples may have been a minority, this is not a generalization in any way, shape, or form).

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Raganius wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Raganius wrote:
I have hunted 4 jedi. And 3 of them were people i was testing stuff against.

And you are still missing the point. There was no forced PvP. Those that became jedi did so knowing they were opening themselves to combat. You were at no point in the game forced to become a jedi. Hell, you had to go out of your way to become one. Taking a Jedi bounty was part and parcel of the BH progression. No NPC mark had XP or Cash payouts like the Jedi ones did.

So in closing, you got your way with the CU2. You attempts at rubbing people noses in the fact that player bounties are gone does nothing but show how tiny and bitter those of you doing it are. So now you get your carebear game, and I hope you enjoy it. Just remember, you aren't as Uber as you used to be, I wonder how long it will take before there are people weeping in the jedi forum about not being able to solo things like they used to.

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The fact that as a Jedi you were vulnerable to an attack didn't mean you HAD to pvp... there were usually ways to avoid pvp if you didn't care for it. But, if it happened, it was forced pvp. And I'm sorry, but once they added the loot to NPC BH marks, it became easily far more profitable than hunting other players, I know people who looted CA's that sold for 10 or even 20 million credits.

There is no attempt whatsoever to do anything other than to reflect on the passing of a game mechanic that came to be associated with griefing, and with great animosity and hostility that divided the player community. Anything that stands to reduce such divisions between players can only be a good thing, it will make the game a nicer place to spend time in.

And lastly, as I said before, I never once cared about being "uber", in fact, I wish nobody had ever pursued Jedi simply because they wanted to be "uber". If the people who did it to be "uber" decide to quit the game at this point, perhaps that will be a good thing for the game.

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Your above statement is like a bucket with a hole in the bottom, it holds no water. The new loot table is too new for you to put that up as a viable alternative for BH's to earn a living. That, and the abyssmally low drop rate for the nice CA's after the first week or so.

Your argumanets are circular, all coming back to so called "forced PvP". When in fact there was no such animal. Unlocking a Jedi and using him or her or it meant that you knew what the potential consequences were. There is a reason why you got to make a light saber almost as soon as you could force scratch your ass. Jedi were a Combat Prof. Even the Jedi healer was a Combat Prof. So enough of this "Forced PvP" garbage.

You all knew good and damned well what you were getting yourselves into. You did so gladly so you could swing your glowing epeen. Touch squat when someone came for your hide because there was money tied to it. Like I said. Your types cried enough that now the ability to do this is gone.

Enjoy Care-a-lot while you can. Now that the primary jedi complaint is gone, they can concentrate on all the other problems with this game, and it is only a matter of time until you get the hammer. Who knows, maybe one day Jedi will be a starter Prof, and your long ass holo/village grind or 600 bucks to ebay will have been for naught.

Wait a sec........

Message Edited by Raganius on 11-08-2005 09:03 PM

Message Edited by Raganius on 11-08-2005 09:06 PM

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When the game began, there was no such thing as Jedi missions - and grinding investigation was far far harder without vehicles, mounts, player cities, and with plenty of mission bugs. Yet in spite of that many of us were able to pursue the BH profession and have a good time. Some of us never cared to be uber, as Jedi or as BH. You can have a good time in an MMORPG without being uber, and in fact you get to meet a lot of wonderful people who also happen to be "non-uber". You didn't need lots of money to have fun in the game, and if you didn't take Jedi missions, you didn't need the uber gear, either... and if you wanted top-of-the-line stuff for your NPC missions, there were many ways to make some good credits.

You can't say that an argument is circular when you, too, are participating in it and, you too, always keep coming back to the same old "it wasn't really forced pvp" routine. You keep insisting that certain content in the game should be made so that it could be enjoyed primarily by gamers with a specific game style, and that anyone else should simply be shut out of parts of the game... your mentality hasn't changed, even now that you have had player bounties removed. That just goes to show that removing them was the only option; nobody on the pvp-happy side was willing to budge an inch; in fact, you were actively looking for a game mechanism to attack Jedi inside their homes.

The Jedi grind was rewarding simply for the fact that we set a high goal for ourselves and we accomplished it. I never did it to be "uber" or to be some "alpha class". Just like some people take SWG and still have a good time with all the flaws and bugs, we took the Jedi profession and enjoyed it in spite of the forced pvp.

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Dallow wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Dallow wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

This is true... the gun had to be taken away, some just weren't mature enough to use it wisely... When I think about it, I guess that if everyone who took Jedi missions had acted maturely and without intent to grief... maybe I wouldn't have objected to the forced pvp...

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Whoa! Hold the phone. Are you saying that if every BH acted as an adult you might not have objected to this? Does this hold true even if the BH didn't give you warning? If so, than I can at least take some comfort in knowing you are not completely stubborn in your views.

You see, I too will agree that a number of BH's used this as a tool of grief. I agree that those BH's had a large part in having player bounties removed.

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Then we have something we agree on... a forced pvp situation with mature and stable people is one thing - but one with a lot of griefers and some borderline psychos, that's quite another. (And yes, I do realize the bad apples may have been a minority, this is not a generalization in any way, shape, or form).

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Thank you. Perhaps we should ALL end the debate here. (I know we won't.) The fact of the matter is this, pussycat and others did not like player bounites for whatever reasons, whether we consider them valid or not. Player bounties no longer exist. Maybe we should look to the future and hope that one day, player bounties will be back. Player bounties that are voluntary.

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Player bounties that are completely voluntary would be a great idea, I agree.

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Raganius wrote:

I never once said people should be shut out of any part of the game. I simply said that anyone who got a jedi did so knowing they would be hunted. And that they would have to take steps to prevent vis if they wanted to avoid the BH's. There are ways to do it.

Not that it matters in 6 days and 54 minutes.

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You didn't say it explicitly, but you are still repeating the same underlying idea -- that it should be OK to make one of the most appealing professions for many players into one that some of those players would not be able to enjoy without forced pvp. And not only that, but that such players should subject themselves to a further restriction on access to game content in order to avoid forced pvp. It was relatively easy to avoid vis while leveling to full template, but after that it stands to reason that you'd want to enjoy the game content with the toon that it had taken you so much time to be able to get.

But like you said, in less than a week it won't matter anymore...

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pussycat wrote:

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Raganius wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Raganius wrote:
I have hunted 4 jedi. And 3 of them were people i was testing stuff against.

And you are still missing the point. There was no forced PvP. Those that became jedi did so knowing they were opening themselves to combat. You were at no point in the game forced to become a jedi. Hell, you had to go out of your way to become one. Taking a Jedi bounty was part and parcel of the BH progression. No NPC mark had XP or Cash payouts like the Jedi ones did.

So in closing, you got your way with the CU2. You attempts at rubbing people noses in the fact that player bounties are gone does nothing but show how tiny and bitter those of you doing it are. So now you get your carebear game, and I hope you enjoy it. Just remember, you aren't as Uber as you used to be, I wonder how long it will take before there are people weeping in the jedi forum about not being able to solo things like they used to.

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The fact that as a Jedi you were vulnerable to an attack didn't mean you HAD to pvp... there were usually ways to avoid pvp if you didn't care for it. But, if it happened, it was forced pvp. And I'm sorry, but once they added the loot to NPC BH marks, it became easily far more profitable than hunting other players, I know people who looted CA's that sold for 10 or even 20 million credits.

There is no attempt whatsoever to do anything other than to reflect on the passing of a game mechanic that came to be associated with griefing, and with great animosity and hostility that divided the player community. Anything that stands to reduce such divisions between players can only be a good thing, it will make the game a nicer place to spend time in.

And lastly, as I said before, I never once cared about being "uber", in fact, I wish nobody had ever pursued Jedi simply because they wanted to be "uber". If the people who did it to be "uber" decide to quit the game at this point, perhaps that will be a good thing for the game.

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Your above statement is like a bucket with a hole in the bottom, it holds no water. The new loot table is too new for you to put that up as a viable alternative for BH's to earn a living. That, and the abyssmally low drop rate for the nice CA's after the first week or so.

Your argumanets are circular, all coming back to so called "forced PvP". When in fact there was no such animal. Unlocking a Jedi and using him or her or it meant that you knew what the potential consequences were. There is a reason why you got to make a light saber almost as soon as you could force scratch your ass. Jedi were a Combat Prof. Even the Jedi healer was a Combat Prof. So enough of this "Forced PvP" garbage.

You all knew good and damned well what you were getting yourselves into. You did so gladly so you could swing your glowing epeen. Touch squat when someone came for your hide because there was money tied to it. Like I said. Your types cried enough that now the ability to do this is gone.

Enjoy Care-a-lot while you can. Now that the primary jedi complaint is gone, they can concentrate on all the other problems with this game, and it is only a matter of time until you get the hammer. Who knows, maybe one day Jedi will be a starter Prof, and your long ass holo/village grind or 600 bucks to ebay will have been for naught.

Wait a sec........

Message Edited by Raganius on 11-08-2005 09:03 PM

Message Edited by Raganius on 11-08-2005 09:06 PM

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When the game began, there was no such thing as Jedi missions - and grinding investigation was far far harder without vehicles, mounts, player cities, and with plenty of mission bugs. Yet in spite of that many of us were able to pursue the BH profession and have a good time. Some of us never cared to be uber, as Jedi or as BH. You can have a good time in an MMORPG without being uber, and in fact you get to meet a lot of wonderful people who also happen to be "non-uber". You didn't need lots of money to have fun in the game, and if you didn't take Jedi missions, you didn't need the uber gear, either... and if you wanted top-of-the-line stuff for your NPC missions, there were many ways to make some good credits.

You can't say that an argument is circular when you, too, are participating in it and, you too, always keep coming back to the same old "it wasn't really forced pvp" routine. You keep insisting that certain content in the game should be made so that it could be enjoyed primarily by gamers with a specific game style, and that anyone else should simply be shut out of parts of the game... your mentality hasn't changed, even now that you have had player bounties removed. That just goes to show that removing them was the only option; nobody on the pvp-happy side was willing to budge an inch; in fact, you were actively looking for a game mechanism to attack Jedi inside their homes.

The Jedi grind was rewarding simply for the fact that we set a high goal for ourselves and we accomplished it. I never did it to be "uber" or to be some "alpha class". Just like some people take SWG and still have a good time with all the flaws and bugs, we took the Jedi profession and enjoyed it in spite of the forced pvp.

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Ekibe, **edit** already. You are in nearly every thread on the BH boards trying to rub peoples nose into this. Plenty and I mean plenty of Jedi like BH coming for them. You seem to be a minority. People accepted the fact that they would be hunted. But what you are doing is imposing your PvE idealistic views on us after accusing us of grieving and forcing PvP on you. **edit**!!!! You got what you wanted and a lot of us got what we wanted, the lack of an Alpha class. You laugh at us, we laugh at you, WE ARE ALL LAUGHING!!!! Damn you are driving us nuts with your constant stupid babble about forced PvP. It has been stated by too many people that you are wrong, when the majority says you are wrong then only thing left to do is BE WRONG.

Seriously, you are really starting to irritate people. For the record, pussycat plays on Wanderhome and is a part of the Wanderhome Rebel Alliance. Her ingame name is Ekibe. Just in case you guys wanted to know.

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KRAKEN666 wrote:
what a pathetic exuse:

PvP was Never forced on Any Player. It was a consequence of the choice to become Jedi. Nothing more, nothing less

thats like blaming the dead family that they shouldnt have got in the drunk drivers way. you had the choice of not hunting them didnt you? you bh are so pathetic for the majority of your proffesion. you blame all ills on someone else but never take the blame....you griefed jedi when you could see their names and ranks, you abused mcm's till you got them nerfed, you were exploiting dead droids and rezzing droids, re organized gank squads again, abused the snares and nerfs, and pretty much put this game in its current state. hope you are happy and at least the vet jedi have been playing a gimped game for about 7 months...we have figured out how to play on substandard weapons...guess what, now you have to learn how to play on them now since all weapons are even. lol, I wish you could still hunt us....cause you wont be able to hunt your precious boss missions anymore without a large group.

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I will apologize in advance for this, but are you high? That is a completely inaccurate analogy. This is an example of a good analogy.

You get a Jedi and you will be hunted. You know this. Just like you know that, if you turn a garbage disposal on and then stick your hand into it, you will draw out a stump. I fail to see how any person who took the time to grind out a jedi feels they ever had a right to complain that they were killed while grinding/shopping/waiting on a shuttle. You KNEW that there was a price to pay for your profession choice.

Now to be fair, I did look into the Shipwright, Swordsman, DE, and TK Forums, and lo and behold, no posts about being hunted by BH's. What is different I ask myself. Oh yeah, they are not an outlaw class designed to be hunted by another player class.

You took the time to unlock

Good for you.

You ground out your uber template

Good for you

You got your ass handed to you by a BH

Good for you

You cried about player bounties instead of being a man and finding a better way of fighting the Jedi.

TskTsk.

Just because you put the time into becoming a Jedi does NOT make you a better person than anyone else. It does not make you a more important customer of SOE. It just means you got more of your money's worth than regular professions.

Unless you are a complete neophyte, and stranger to this game and just bought your Jedi instead of grinding it, then you have NEVER had the right to complain about being hunted. You knew what you were setting yourself up for. And you chose to do it anyways. I have no sympathy for you.

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ShaikeRamjet wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Raganius wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Raganius wrote:
I have hunted 4 jedi. And 3 of them were people i was testing stuff against.

And you are still missing the point. There was no forced PvP. Those that became jedi did so knowing they were opening themselves to combat. You were at no point in the game forced to become a jedi. Hell, you had to go out of your way to become one. Taking a Jedi bounty was part and parcel of the BH progression. No NPC mark had XP or Cash payouts like the Jedi ones did.

So in closing, you got your way with the CU2. You attempts at rubbing people noses in the fact that player bounties are gone does nothing but show how tiny and bitter those of you doing it are. So now you get your carebear game, and I hope you enjoy it. Just remember, you aren't as Uber as you used to be, I wonder how long it will take before there are people weeping in the jedi forum about not being able to solo things like they used to.

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The fact that as a Jedi you were vulnerable to an attack didn't mean you HAD to pvp... there were usually ways to avoid pvp if you didn't care for it. But, if it happened, it was forced pvp. And I'm sorry, but once they added the loot to NPC BH marks, it became easily far more profitable than hunting other players, I know people who looted CA's that sold for 10 or even 20 million credits.

There is no attempt whatsoever to do anything other than to reflect on the passing of a game mechanic that came to be associated with griefing, and with great animosity and hostility that divided the player community. Anything that stands to reduce such divisions between players can only be a good thing, it will make the game a nicer place to spend time in.

And lastly, as I said before, I never once cared about being "uber", in fact, I wish nobody had ever pursued Jedi simply because they wanted to be "uber". If the people who did it to be "uber" decide to quit the game at this point, perhaps that will be a good thing for the game.

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Your above statement is like a bucket with a hole in the bottom, it holds no water. The new loot table is too new for you to put that up as a viable alternative for BH's to earn a living. That, and the abyssmally low drop rate for the nice CA's after the first week or so.

Your argumanets are circular, all coming back to so called "forced PvP". When in fact there was no such animal. Unlocking a Jedi and using him or her or it meant that you knew what the potential consequences were. There is a reason why you got to make a light saber almost as soon as you could force scratch your ass. Jedi were a Combat Prof. Even the Jedi healer was a Combat Prof. So enough of this "Forced PvP" garbage.

You all knew good and damned well what you were getting yourselves into. You did so gladly so you could swing your glowing epeen. Touch squat when someone came for your hide because there was money tied to it. Like I said. Your types cried enough that now the ability to do this is gone.

Enjoy Care-a-lot while you can. Now that the primary jedi complaint is gone, they can concentrate on all the other problems with this game, and it is only a matter of time until you get the hammer. Who knows, maybe one day Jedi will be a starter Prof, and your long ass holo/village grind or 600 bucks to ebay will have been for naught.

Wait a sec........

Message Edited by Raganius on 11-08-2005 09:03 PM

Message Edited by Raganius on 11-08-2005 09:06 PM

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When the game began, there was no such thing as Jedi missions - and grinding investigation was far far harder without vehicles, mounts, player cities, and with plenty of mission bugs. Yet in spite of that many of us were able to pursue the BH profession and have a good time. Some of us never cared to be uber, as Jedi or as BH. You can have a good time in an MMORPG without being uber, and in fact you get to meet a lot of wonderful people who also happen to be "non-uber". You didn't need lots of money to have fun in the game, and if you didn't take Jedi missions, you didn't need the uber gear, either... and if you wanted top-of-the-line stuff for your NPC missions, there were many ways to make some good credits.

You can't say that an argument is circular when you, too, are participating in it and, you too, always keep coming back to the same old "it wasn't really forced pvp" routine. You keep insisting that certain content in the game should be made so that it could be enjoyed primarily by gamers with a specific game style, and that anyone else should simply be shut out of parts of the game... your mentality hasn't changed, even now that you have had player bounties removed. That just goes to show that removing them was the only option; nobody on the pvp-happy side was willing to budge an inch; in fact, you were actively looking for a game mechanism to attack Jedi inside their homes.

The Jedi grind was rewarding simply for the fact that we set a high goal for ourselves and we accomplished it. I never did it to be "uber" or to be some "alpha class". Just like some people take SWG and still have a good time with all the flaws and bugs, we took the Jedi profession and enjoyed it in spite of the forced pvp.

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Ekibe, **edit** already. You are in nearly every thread on the BH boards trying to rub peoples nose into this. Plenty and I mean plenty of Jedi like BH coming for them. You seem to be a minority. People accepted the fact that they would be hunted. But what you are doing is imposing your PvE idealistic views on us after accusing us of grieving and forcing PvP on you. **edit**!!!! You got what you wanted and a lot of us got what we wanted, the lack of an Alpha class. You laugh at us, we laugh at you, WE ARE ALL LAUGHING!!!! Damn you are driving us nuts with your constant stupid babble about forced PvP. It has been stated by too many people that you are wrong, when the majority says you are wrong then only thing left to do is BE WRONG.

Seriously, you are really starting to irritate people. For the record, pussycat plays on Wanderhome and is a part of the Wanderhome Rebel Alliance. Her ingame name is Ekibe. Just in case you guys wanted to know.

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Shaike, I can assure you based on all the Jedi that I have met over the last two years that those who disliked forced pvp were far from a minority... most were downright sick of having to deal with immature griefers and 12-year-olds trying to be "uber" and "pwn" people. We accepted the game mechanics that were in place at the time because it was a necessary compromise to enjoy certain parts of the game content that we were interested in... it's abundantly clear by now that this game mechanic was a mistake... and that's why the mistake is being rectified. Simply to state a fact is not to "rub it in" any more than your constantly saying ad nauseum, "you asked for it by being a Jedi".

I do not seek to impose anything on anybody... unlike the players who sought to impose pvp on other players. I wish you were mature enough to not throw a hissyfit just because another player expresses disagreement and replies to posts which are clearly addressed to her. If you don't want to continue this, with me then why do you go on and on writing posts that are directed at me? If you are addressing me personally then obviously I should have the right to reply...

The people to which you refer to... have simply stated their preferrence for forced pvp and their regret that it has been eliminated from the game. It doesn't make them "right" and people who don't like pvp "wrong". In fact, it would be more logical to argue that the people who were against forced pvp from the beginning are the ones who were right, because we were vindicated with the decision to remove player bounties from the game.

You were once an officer in one of the most respected rebel guilds of our server, and you decided to leave largely because of how you felt about Jedi... you insulted other guild officers and ended up being banned from the guild boards. It was you who showed a complete lack of civility and mature behaviour in your part, don't blame others for the decisions that you made and the friendships that you decided were less important than your overwhelming hate for all Jedi.

Message Edited by pussycat on 11-09-2005 02:19 AM

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Cerosis wrote:

Ok, there is no simple way to put this, so let's list off some facts.

Jedi was a PvP class, that being said:

1. Jedi knew before becoming jedi that Jedi Would be hunted by BH(so PvP was "Forced" upon a profession.


2. Jedi knew that said PvP could happen at any time


3. This information was listed everywhere(forums, email recieved early on when jedi first existed when this information wasn't common knowledge that could be located on the forums in multiple places.

So all players knew these facts before becoming Jedi, and if they didn't they didn't pay attention to any warnings given out.

So because all players knew Jedi was a PvP class, and they still chose to become a jedi....

PvP was Never forced on Any Player. It was a consequence of the choice to become Jedi. Nothing more, nothing less.

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