Bounty Hunter Archive

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JCWeeble wrote:

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Eskie wrote:

As already stated, devs said one-shot incaps are not intended, which means one-shot incaps on full-health PvP opponents being possible is a bug, so trying to do a one-shot incap on purpose is an exploit.

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It is NOT a guaranteed 1-shot incap. You keep resting back on this "devs said no 1-shot incaps ever, so its a bug" garbage. Ya know what? If I charge a Krayt with no armor on, im gonna get 1-shot incapped by him... Do I get to call the Krayt an exploiter too?

If the jedi is trying to defend himself AT ALL, the 1 shot last ditch has a 50-80% chance of missing or getting blocked. If he's got a PSG, thats 15% of the damage mitgated from the hit. the 20 innate jedi armor is another 15%. If youre a grinder without the +10 innate jedi armor from novice defender, youre a fool, because thats another 7%. Aura Lowers the damage and lowers the chance of being hit. You can have +60 in ranged defense from your clothes and there is +100 ranged defense food. If you did ANY of these things when you saw the unfamiliar blue dot on your radar, you have a HUGE chance of the shot not hitting you or reducing the damage so it does not 1-shot incap you. After that, its heal and go pound the near death BH.

THIS IS NOT AN EXPLOIT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TONS OF WORKAROUNDS TO AVOID IT AT YOUR DISPOSAL AND IT SEVERELY PUNISHES THE BH FOR TRYING IT AND FAILING, LIKE IT SHOULD.

If you don't want LD to be the opening shot, fine.. The BH can still slap a stormie, hit ranged shot to open combat and then hit the LD. Does that make it better? Nope. Or what if, *gasp* the BH just attacks normally, and you have the BH almost dead and then they hit LD and it STILL kills you, even at full health...

The bottom line is, leave the Smugglers alone. Don't CRY for the nerf the only attack in their repitoire that is designed to deal decent damage because you're abusing a spawn on Kashyyyk AND you're too lazy to get the proper defenses to make sure that LD doesnt 1 shot kill you.

Message Edited by JCWeeble on 07-01-200510:20 AM

Message Edited by JCWeeble on 07-01-2005 10:20 AM

Message Edited by JCWeeble on 07-01-2005 10:21 AM

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a) A krayt is not PvP.
b) opening up with other attacks, then using LD makes it a fight, not a one-shot insta-incap, so yes, that would be ok
c) as already said numerous times, the chance to miss while using last ditch as the opening attack does not make it less of an exploit - trying to exploit and failing does not legalize exploiting.
d) I dont grind on Kashyyyk
e) I am not crying
f) I am not asking for LDs damage potential to be nerfed, but I am asking for the first-strike capability to be removed. If you use it as a last resort to incap your enemy before getting incapped yourself because you are about to lose the fight, its perfectly fine with me.

Overall, most of the points you brought did not respond to any of the points I made, were simply false assumptions about my behaviour, or were points I already said are perfectly legal. The only point you really brought up was that you have a chance to fail, so look at c) above, after reading and understanding f) instead of assuming I want to nerf LDs damage ouput.

Message Edited by Eskie on 07-01-2005 04:56 PM

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Eskie wrote:

a) A krayt is not PvP. - fine.. I'll adjust my statement.. "If I run at a rifleman with a 1000+ damage riflewho is doing snipershot, and I haveno armor on. I'll still get 1 shotted." I guess that's the rifleman's fault for shooting me. Not my fault for not having armor on.

b) opening up with other attacks, then using LD makes it a fight, not a one-shot insta-incap, so yes, that would be ok - Why is that any better? Because I shot you once for 100 damage and then before you can react, shoot you again for 4000? How is that ANY different than if I just open with LD. The end result is the same. Its more honorable to be 2-shot killed instead of 1-shot killed. You don't get to react either way. And again, if the BH doesn't open with LD, but still uses it when he's low on health to incap the jedi (who can still be at full health with jedi heals), how is it any different. Same result. Incapped jedi.. Be it 1st hit, 2nd hit, or 100th hit. All you're trying to boil this down to is a "morality" argument... And morality is something a BH by definition doesn't have.. Ya know. That whole killing people for money thing...

c) as already said numerous times, the chance to miss while using last ditch as the opening attack does not make it less of an exploit - trying to exploit and failing does not legalize exploiting. - Again.. You STILL haven't shown me where ANY dev calls this an exploit. Your "no one shots in pvp--per cu" argument doesn't hold because you STILL haven't acknowledged that the LD does not always land a 1 shot incap if (like i said in my previous post) you have have taken the necessary precautions and have some form of defense up. It can just as easily do 2000 damage after mitigation and leave the jedi with 1000 health and the BH with 1.

d) I dont grind on Kashyyyk - i dont care if you do or don't grind on Kashyyyk. Doesnt matter where you grind or how. You should always be prepared for a BH attack regardless of where you are grinding. I may have insinuated that YOU were the one grinding on Kashyyyk, but really that was intended for the original poster who said they were grinding on the ryatt trail, and i guarantee that he is here crying about the LD kill because he was too lazy to get his defenses up while grinding. Sorry if some of that got misdirected at you, but that's where I was going with it.

e) I am not crying - true. but timit is. he's a notorious starsider crybaby, again sorry for the misdirected hostility...

f) I am not asking for LDs damage potential to be nerfed, but I am asking for the first-strike capability to be removed. If you use it as a last resort to incap your enemy before getting incapped yourself because you are about to lose the fight, its perfectly fine with me. - yeah, but dev's don't see things like that... They see in 1's and 0's. Either its an overpowered special that people want nerfed, or its working as intended. They don't care about the grey areas about when its used. People don't understand that when asking for changes. They won't make it so that it can't be used as an opening shot because its just as lethal as a 2nd shot. Then you have a whole "ethical" discussion as to when it becomes acceptable to use LD vs when it is not acceptable to use it. Everyone has a different opinion and they all will get voiced to the devs.. In the end the devs will just have to fix the problem to quell the complaints, and what's going to happen... a set number >1500 max damage cap on LD regardless of how low your health is, effectively making the shot worthless and robbing the smugglers of a special. You have to think of the implementation of what you are asking for before you ask for it. Do you think there is a magical button that the devs can code into the game that will "enable LD to be hit after you've hit the ethical threshold for LD use to be allowed". Devs dont think like that... Overpowered special = Nerf to hell. Every time. Although it may be acceptable as a 2nd shot to you, it won't be to many, and people will still complain that they're getting hit twice and killed before they can react. Its still better to tell the people that are affected by this shot to prepare for it rather than get every decent move in this game nerfed into worthlessness because people complain when they die because they weren't prepared for it when they could have been.

Overall, most of the points you brought did not respond to any of the points I made, were simply false assumptions about my behaviour, or were points I already said are perfectly legal. The only point you really brought up was that you have a chance to fail, so look at c) above, after reading and understanding f) instead of assuming I want to nerf LDs damage ouput. - thats ok.. you pretty much ignored any valid point i made too about the steps you can take to mitigate away the damage that you take from a successfully landed LD... and since you said i didnt respond to any of your points, I've done that here. Your suggestion about it being ok to use as a 2nd shot incap may make it acceptable to you, but it will not be ok for everyone. People are still going to complain and cry nerf... And in the end, that's likely what will happen here regardless of what we say...

For once, I'd just like to say to the people screaming for a nerf on something, "NO, youre not getting this nerfed, its legitimate, you CAN defend against it. Deal with it, or don't get on the terms.. Either way..Quit itand leave the smugglers alone.

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LexanderFarlander wrote:

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TrandotionAssassin wrote:
this is an exploit because the bh got damaged to near dead ON PURPOSE in order to make last ditch a very powerful move.

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Heres whats wrong with what you just said

this is an exploit Wrong... simply because its not

the bh got damaged to near dead ON PURPOSE So? taking damage is now an exploit? i guess i better stop dying then and if you say oh he did it on purpose.. umm ya if you want to get down to the nitty gritty details.. all damage we take is done on purpose..

in order to make last ditch a very powerful move Its always been a very powerful move.. the lower your health the more powerful it gets if you've got a problem with it too bad

And of course the arguement that it shouldnt be used as a first strike move comes out, but heres the thing there should be no set time for use of any move because what are you gonna do report people who use last ditch at half health by accident for exploiting for not using it at low health oh wait of course not cause then you dont die..... but sure if you want to make it so we can only use this as a last resort how about we make it so Jedi cant use any heals unless they've used 5 combat actions before.. then we'll see how you like being told when you can and cant use your earned profession abilities.

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if u use it at full health is sucks like crap, getting damaged on purpose is exploiting the game, meaning if u dont know using a bug in the game to ur own advantage.

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LexanderFarlander wrote:

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TrandotionAssassin wrote:
this is an exploit because the bh got damaged to near dead ON PURPOSE in order to make last ditch a very powerful move.

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Heres whats wrong with what you just said

this is an exploit Wrong... simply because its not

the bh got damaged to near dead ON PURPOSE So? taking damage is now an exploit? i guess i better stop dying then and if you say oh he did it on purpose.. umm ya if you want to get down to the nitty gritty details.. all damage we take is done on purpose..

in order to make last ditch a very powerful move Its always been a very powerful move.. the lower your health the more powerful it gets if you've got a problem with it too bad

And of course the arguement that it shouldnt be used as a first strike move comes out, but heres the thing there should be no set time for use of any move because what are you gonna do report people who use last ditch at half health by accident for exploiting for not using it at low health oh wait of course not cause then you dont die..... but sure if you want to make it so we can only use this as a last resort how about we make it so Jedi cant use any heals unless they've used 5 combat actions before.. then we'll see how you like being told when you can and cant use your earned profession abilities.

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As already stated, devs said one-shot incaps are not intended, which means one-shot incaps on full-health PvP opponents being possible is a bug, so trying to do a one-shot incap on purpose is an exploit.

Message Edited by Grunzer on 07-01-2005 12:32 AM

That's what you get for trying to hide on Kashyyk, chump!

Jedi hide cloaked by recruiters to kill people when they go SF. People die without a chance to Jedi all the time. The fact anyone would complain about a Jedi being struck down "without a chance" is laughable. Screw the Jedi. Nail 'em to the wall anyway you can. They deserve that and more.

I say kill 'em all, let the midichlorians sort 'em out.

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TrandotionAssassin wrote:

if u use it at full health is sucks like crap, getting damaged on purpose is exploiting the game, meaning if u dont know using a bug in the game to ur own advantage.

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So where's the bug? Is it a bug that people take damage when they are attacked by MOBs? It's only exploiting if you are using a BUG to your advantage. Without a BUG there is no exploit.

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slave138 wrote:

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TrandotionAssassin wrote:

if u use it at full health is sucks like crap, getting damaged on purpose is exploiting the game, meaning if u dont know using a bug in the game to ur own advantage.

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So where's the bug? Is it a bug that people take damage when they are attacked by MOBs? It's only exploiting if you are using a BUG to your advantage. Without a BUG there is no exploit.

As far as I can tell, the hunter being damaged was working as intended. The shot he used was working as intended. It might be dirty pool, but the tactic is working as intended.

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the bug is using last ditch at full force w/o even touching the jedi

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slave138 wrote:

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TrandotionAssassin wrote:

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slave138 wrote:

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TrandotionAssassin wrote:

if u use it at full health is sucks like crap, getting damaged on purpose is exploiting the game, meaning if u dont know using a bug in the game to ur own advantage.

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So where's the bug? Is it a bug that people take damage when they are attacked by MOBs? It's only exploiting if you are using a BUG to your advantage. Without a BUG there is no exploit.

As far as I can tell, the hunter being damaged was working as intended. The shot he used was working as intended. It might be dirty pool, but the tactic is working as intended.

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the bug is using last ditch at full force w/o even touching the jedi

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I see no bug. Is it a bug if you target one creature and switch to another before you kill off the first? Is it a bug to attack something/someone other than a person/creature that's attacking you? It's creative use of the enviornment but hardly a bug.

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Its a bug being able to use an insta-incap attack as a first strike. See my other posts in this thread for the reasoning behind this statement.

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Eskie wrote:

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slave138 wrote:

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TrandotionAssassin wrote:

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slave138 wrote:

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TrandotionAssassin wrote:

if u use it at full health is sucks like crap, getting damaged on purpose is exploiting the game, meaning if u dont know using a bug in the game to ur own advantage.

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So where's the bug? Is it a bug that people take damage when they are attacked by MOBs? It's only exploiting if you are using a BUG to your advantage. Without a BUG there is no exploit.

As far as I can tell, the hunter being damaged was working as intended. The shot he used was working as intended. It might be dirty pool, but the tactic is working as intended.

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the bug is using last ditch at full force w/o even touching the jedi

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I see no bug. Is it a bug if you target one creature and switch to another before you kill off the first? Is it a bug to attack something/someone other than a person/creature that's attacking you? It's creative use of the enviornment but hardly a bug.

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Its a bug being able to use an insta-incap attack as a first strike. See my other posts in this thread for the reasoning behind this statement.

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hes right, end this thread plz lol... (edited for spelling)

Message Edited by TrandotionAssassin on 07-01-2005 07:26 PM

i agree