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Thread: Bounty Hunter News from FanFest
Tango88 wrote:
mh307 wrote:
the day i can solo a Master DEF is the day i will agree with one on one missions.
And would a BH getting onthe BH terminal be hunted by only BH or by jedi as well?
Agreed.
- I can see this. If a bounty hunter gets too well known, he's bound to have someone want him dead.
- I have never agreed with this. BH's should not have a penalty for failed missions. If this goes through, expect to see less people actually hunting.
- If I don't know how much the bounty is for, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD I TAKE THE MISSION?! Listing faction and online status is certainly a good idea. Eliminating the name is going to suck (no more /target macro), but I can live with that.
- This is pure Jedi whining at work. There is no reason at all that a group of bounty hunters cannot team up together to hunt a high-level Jedi. In many cases, it's about the only way to beat one. (yes, I know there are a few of you out there who can, but most of us cannot)
- PLEASE! It's about time for this. My only fear is this: BH's have a combat edge over smugglers. It will be almost unfair to them. I don't want to hunt them then get nerfed back into the stone age because we're "too powerful."
mh307 wrote:
the day i can solo a Master DEF is the day i will agree with one on one missions.
And would a BH getting onthe BH terminal be hunted by only BH or by jedi as well?
You can easy solo a Mdefender. Just stalk him around until he gets low or you get a opportunity (even incap). If you except to run head on straight towards a Jedi you are gonna get your head cut clean off
. Like a certain someone experienced when facing Mace Windu.
Terror-Farstar wrote:
as for the jedi vs bh 1vs1 thing. how about you guys start using your brains instead of whining like little babies.
of course there are ways to archieve this without nerfing anyone.
Just make it so that the bh gets certain bonuses in damage and accuracy just for this fight. Or other way round and the jedi gets the penalties. All depending on how far he is with his template. That way you could probably balance the whole fight out to be fair 1vs1 wise.
Shouldnt be that hard to implement and both sides could have their fun.
While im thinking about it you could also penalize the bh if he is facing a fresh paddie (of course this would have to apply on just saber damage to avoid abusing the system if the fresh paddie is using his other skills to fight)
It would all end in a fair fight no matter with the jedi is full temp or just started out and i guess thats what everyone wants and can enjoy
Thx for reading
If its a fair fight, and BH are elevated in skill to be an even match with Jedi, then expect the payouts for completing the mission to drop into the toilet. Somewhere around the level of NPC missions or below. Don't expect 225k payouts for winning a fight against someone you're an even match for, especially when you hold the advantage of picking when the fight happens.
I think the single biggest problem with BH and Jedi Bounty missions is expectation. BH seem to expect that since they are allowed to hunt full template Jedi, then that must mean they are supposed to be able to win under any circumstances. But thats just not the case. Its supposed to be hard, near impossible. Its supposed to be something you can only pull off in certain circumstances, when the fight is waaaaay less than fair or even, and you opponent is has put themselves in a compromising situation. You're supposed to be the underdog, as evidenced by the huge payouts you can get.
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Can anyone say "go jedi or quit" ?
Let's look at the advantages of Jedi.
1.) Four HAM bars... that's right, I consider Force as part of their HAM.
2.) One FREE character added to their account, while the rest of us who have been playing just as long, if not longer, than these Jedi, get squat because we chose a non-Jedi path.
3.) A Master Defender / Healer is worth atleast 4 regular combat professions. I don't care what anybody says on this one, this is fact. I'd even say they are worth close to 3 mixed templates.
Message Edited by DorTaul on 06-06-2005 10:31 AM
FernGully wrote:
If its a fair fight, and BH are elevated in skill to be an even match with Jedi, then expect the payouts for completing the mission to drop into the toilet. Somewhere around the level of NPC missions or below. Don't expect 225k payouts for winning a fight against someone you're an even match for, especially when you hold the advantage of picking when the fight happens.
I think the single biggest problem with BH and Jedi Bounty missions is expectation. BH seem to expect that since they are allowed to hunt full template Jedi, then that must mean they are supposed to be able to win under any circumstances. But thats just not the case. Its supposed to be hard, near impossible. Its supposed to be something you can only pull off in certain circumstances, when the fight is waaaaay less than fair or even, and you opponent is has put themselves in a compromising situation. You're supposed to be the underdog, as evidenced by the huge payouts you can get.
I don't know any BH that thinks they are supposed to be able to take a 225k mission alone. I know I sure don't, but then again I rarely hunt one because its a pain to get multiple BH on a mission and taking one alone is futile. The equation changes, however, if the mechanics of the system only allow 1 BH to attack a 225k+ mark doesn't it? At that point SOE is telling us through their system that there should be some way to succeed in this venture. As a resultyou can bet that eventually the strength of the opponents will be evened out somewhat. The easiest way to do this would be to weaken Jedi and we all know that SOE always takes the easy way out. I am not for this, but that is the eventual outcome I think.
As far as payouts are concerned I am not worried about that. Payouts pretty much stink right now anyway. The max payout I have seen post CU is 226k and to complete that mission you end up splitting it with several other BH. Assuming for the sake of argument that 3 of us completed this (4 or 5 would be more realistic, but whatever) we each make 75k....big whoop....I cansolo 75k Jedi (assuming I can find one post CU since they all grinded to 225k in 2 weeks that is) all day long. So I really don't get your point on this one...payouts already blow.
DorTaul wrote:
Let's look at the advantages of Jedi.
1.) Four HAM bars... that's right, I consider Force as part of their HAM.
2.) One FREE character added to their account, while the rest of us who have been playing just as long, if not longer, than these Jedi, get squat because we chose a non-Jedi path.
3.) A Master Defender / Healer is worth atleast 4 regular combat professions. I don't care what anybody says on this one, this is fact. I'd even say they are worth close to 3 mixed templates.
4.) Jedi got their very own revamp.
1) Can you tell me how having 4 HAM bars is an innate advantage? You weren't very specific here.
2) I could agree there. I don't like the Jedi getting a free character slot either. I wish it didn't exist.
3) You're wrong here. A skilled BH with the proper template can put up such a fight against a master defender/healer that only skill will determine the outcome. If you and your 3 friends can't beat one, the problem lies behind your keyboard.
4) This one is silly. Jedi wouldn't have needed their own revamp had the profession not been horribly broken. BHs got a revamp in the CU, too. You ended up being the most powerful nonJedi profession in the game. So I really don't see why you're complaining here.
SunSpy wrote:
FernGully wrote:
If its a fair fight, and BH are elevated in skill to be an even match with Jedi, then expect the payouts for completing the mission to drop into the toilet. Somewhere around the level of NPC missions or below. Don't expect 225k payouts for winning a fight against someone you're an even match for, especially when you hold the advantage of picking when the fight happens.
I think the single biggest problem with BH and Jedi Bounty missions is expectation. BH seem to expect that since they are allowed to hunt full template Jedi, then that must mean they are supposed to be able to win under any circumstances. But thats just not the case. Its supposed to be hard, near impossible. Its supposed to be something you can only pull off in certain circumstances, when the fight is waaaaay less than fair or even, and you opponent is has put themselves in a compromising situation. You're supposed to be the underdog, as evidenced by the huge payouts you can get.
I don't know any BH that thinks they are supposed to be able to take a 225k mission alone. I know I sure don't, but then again I rarely hunt one because its a pain to get multiple BH on a mission and taking one alone is futile. The equation changes, however, if the mechanics of the system only allow 1 BH to attack a 225k+ mark doesn't it? At that point SOE is telling us through their system that there should be some way to succeed in this venture. As a result you can bet that eventually the strength of the opponents will be evened out somewhat. The easiest way to do this would be to weaken Jedi and we all know that SOE always takes the easy way out. I am not for this, but that is the eventual outcome I think.
As far as payouts are concerned I am not worried about that. Payouts pretty much stink right now anyway. The max payout I have seen post CU is 226k and to complete that mission you end up splitting it with several other BH. Assuming for the sake of argument that 3 of us completed this (4 or 5 would be more realistic, but whatever) we each make 75k....big whoop....I can solo 75k Jedi (assuming I can find one post CU since they all grinded to 225k in 2 weeks that is) all day long. So I really don't get your point on this one...payouts already blow.
Not sure I can explain my point any clearer without just restating it. If its easier to take down Jedi, either because BH are made as strong as Jedi or because you have multiple BHs taking the same mission, you should expect that the reward you get for doing it will also get dropped way down.
Based on statements made by SOE at the Fan Fest, its now pretty clear that ever since they did away with GTEF a while back, they intended for Jedi Bounties to be 1v1 fights. BH have been working around this and still getting multiple BHs on the same target, but its not what SOE intended, and now they are trying to eliminate the workaround.
There IS a way to succeed solo against full template marks. It involves catching the Jedi at a bad time, and having the right skills/equipment/etc to capitalize on the opportunity. Folks post on this board daily about such happenings. Because its so hard to do, and because the odds are so against you doing it sucessfully, you get a large payout when you pull it off. You should expect that payoff to go way down if its easier to do.
As to the "payouts blow" statement, well, 75k is more than double the payout for NPC missions at MBH level, which is already 3 times the amount you can get for regular destroy missions anywhere in the game. As mission payouts go, its far and away the best in the game. I'd have a hard time characterizing that as "blowing".
northernranger wrote:
LOL It's really nice to know that it's not just the Jedi forum that attracts the whiners of this game.
Yeah. Lots of Jedi post here too. I guess they have enough tears for both boards.
Tanks wrote:
To get about the same healing as 1000Heal which is 15 skill points a BH has to go up to CM 4000 which is 49 skill points (not counting Range Support). However, you can spam your heals still much faster than myself. Also, my Wanderhome BH is a Master BH/Rifleman/CM4000 and at that template is a big whopping CL 73 with 2600+ health. So, I am also giving up extra health and defense to boot.
245 effective ranged defense, 170 effective melee defense, certed for recon armor which can give 8,000 armor. Couple that with the best possible offensive combo in the game and the really effective healing you get, and I don't see much of a combat downside here at all. What your template lacks is utility and crowd control, not defense.
At this time saying that a BH that has CM or Doc has a VERY good chance against a MDEF/MLS/2000Heal/0003Enh (FOTM more or less) is a misstatement. A lot of Jedi actually get a little less offense by getting 0404LS and get 4000Heal and other skills.
And that lesser offense makes your healing more powerful. You're healing from a pool that regenerates very quickly on spice/food/drink.
I'm not saying your template (or any other CM/doc template) is the uber Jedi-killer I-win button. I'm saying that this template makes the BH more than 66% as powerful as a full template padawan.
Kaukiji wrote:
here is hte problem with 1v1 missions
on full templates this is how it breaks down
skilled BH vs. non-skilled full template jedi = BH wins
skilled BH vs. skilled full template jedi = jedi wins
skilled BH vs. average skilled full template jedi = its a toss up who wins
...this causes alot of problems almost forcing BHs to find the bad pvpers to hunt lol
You forgot one. An important one.
Skilled BH vs skilled full template Jedi who is caught with his pants down (low on force, in combat with something else, etc, etc) = BH wins
And seeing how BH have full control over when & if the fight ever happens, one could say that a truely "skilled" BH would only ever choose to let the fight happen if this scenario were the case.