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Thread: last ditch being used as a first strike -exploit-
timit wrote:Heres the story.Im grinding in the ryyatt trail. A bh comes. I know this bh because i escaped her/him as a lower level paddy before in the myydril caves with the crystal you get from a quest down there.So i stop attacking wookies and stand away to prepare for a fight. This bh < jadelance > runs off of the first bridge with mobs close behind her/him. Runs past and runs accross the other bridge out of my sight. She/he then comes back and hits me for 4632damage <1 shot incap>. She got close to being incapped by the mob and then use last ditch shot on me AS A FIRST STRIKE. She did not get incapped in the process. Doesnt last ditch incap both players? This is what someone else has said, and yes, i checked the combat log. <4632 damage>. A shot this powerful should not be used as a first strike attack on a bh's mark. This gives jedi no chance to react at all. So i say, the ability for bh's to use this as a initiating attack is a exploit and needs to be fixed. Flame away if you must.
This is quite a BUG and I used it quite alot during the initial RESPEC period combined with 2500 Damage Grenades (with high damage venom) in PVE to take down krayts damn quick as I was actually a WS at the time and just wanted tissues quick. The template I used was simply Master Smuggler, Master Commando, Master Marksmen, and some spent for dealing. The weapon I created for myself to use to Last Ditch without incapping was a Featherweight with 950 Max Dmg and 65 Sac and I would have to be on Shot of Flameout.
. If it came to the point I was screwed and would incap no matter, I would use a Plasma that was capped in damage and maxed in elemental damage with a sac that had some experimentation spent in it. Using concussion shot before they F***'d smuggler out of the second shot that made their profession (idiot dev's ruined a profession....... smuggler was made with last ditch and concussion......), I was able to take two juvies at once without problem, and often, one juvie would be dead before the second would unroot.
NoStyleGuy wrote:i propose a comprimise : no BH should ever be able to use /lastditch as an opening move, as long as no jedi should ever be able to use /hideinhouse as an opening move.
/hideinhouse as opening move is perfectly fine. If the BH hasnt attacked the Jedi yet (and thus the Jedi doesnt have a TEF), the Jedi can choose to either run or fight. If a BH messes up his approach and is seen too early, he needs to practice stalking.
Running into a house, getting ready for a fight, running outside to deal some damage, and running back into the house to regen is an exploit, though - I dont know if BH TEFs have been fixed already.
timit wrote:
Heres the story.
Im grinding in theryyatt trail. A bh comes. I know this bh because i escaped her/him as a lower level paddy before in the myydril caves with the crystal you get from a quest down there.
So i stop attacking wookies and stand away to prepare for a fight. This bh < jadelance > runs off of the first bridge with mobs close behind her/him. Runs past and runs accross the other bridge out of my sight. She/he then comes back and hits me for 4632damage <1 shot incap>.She got close to being incapped by the mob and then use last ditch shot on me AS A FIRST STRIKE. She did not get incapped in the process. Doesnt last ditch incap both players?This is what someone else has said, and yes, i checked the combat log. <4632 damage>. A shot this powerful should not be used as a first strike attack on a bh's mark. This gives jedi no chance to react at all. So i say,the ability for bh's to use this as a initiating attack is a exploit and needs to be fixed. Flame away if you must.
this is an exploit because the bh got damaged to near dead ON PURPOSE in order to make last ditch a very powerful move.
TrandotionAssassin wrote:
this is an exploit because the bh got damaged to near dead ON PURPOSE in order to make last ditch a very powerful move.
Heres whats wrong with what you just said
Hrmm..
Smugglers, who are also Jedi, use FD. Bounty Hunters protest. FD gets nerfed. People blame Jedi.
Smugglers, who are also BH's, use LD/Daze. Jedi protest. People blame Jedi.
And someone actually said recently it was the great community within the game that kept them here.
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Hrmm..
Jedi, who had Smuggler skills, use FD. Bounty Hunters protest. FD gets nerfed. People blame Jedi.
BHs, who have Smuggler skills, use LD/Daze. Jedi protest. People blame Jedi.
And someone actually said recently it was the great community within the game that kept them here.
There, fixed it for you.
Smugglers don't wield lightsabers, Jedi do. Smugglers don't hunt Jedi, BH's do.
AngusMacGregor wrote:
That's just BS.
I'm a Smuggler. I just happen to have MS/MBH/Pistoleer 0004 skills.
I don't hunt Jedi. I don't hunt NPC marks. I am not a bounty hunter. I'm just borrowing their skills.
I dabble a bit in Pistoleer to get Stopping Shot. I am not a Pistoleer.
People abuse Smuggler skills and everyone cries NERF SMUGGLER as loud as they can and we get screwed. They rarely cry about nerfing the professions that dabble in our skills, or just pick them up to enhance their chosen profession.
The result is the Smuggler gets screwed.
You people need to realize that there is much more to this game than the BH vs. Jedi crap.
That's quite simply not true.
But then they're told "It's a xxxx skill go to their forum and complain."
Eskie wrote:
As already stated, devs said one-shot incaps are not intended, which means one-shot incaps on full-health PvP opponents being possible is a bug, so trying to do a one-shot incap on purpose is an exploit.
It is NOT a guaranteed 1-shot incap. You keep resting back on this "devs said no 1-shot incaps ever, so its a bug" garbage. Ya know what? If I charge a Kraytwith no armor on, im gonna get 1-shot incapped by him... Do I get to call the Krayt an exploiter too?
If the jedi is trying to defend himself AT ALL, the 1 shot last ditch has a 50-80% chance of missing or getting blocked. If he's got a PSG, thats 15% of the damage mitgated from the hit. the 20 innate jedi armor is another 15%. If youre a grinder without the +10 innate jedi armor from novice defender, youre a fool, becausethats another 7%. Aura Lowers the damage and lowers the chance of being hit. You can have +60 in ranged defense from your clothes and there is +100 ranged defense food. If you did ANY of these things when you saw the unfamiliar blue dot on your radar, you have a HUGE chance of the shot not hitting you or reducing the damage so it does not 1-shot incap you. After that, its heal and go pound the near death BH.
THIS IS NOT AN EXPLOIT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TONS OF WORKAROUNDS TO AVOID IT AT YOUR DISPOSAL AND IT SEVERELY PUNISHES THE BH FOR TRYING IT AND FAILING, LIKE IT SHOULD.
If you don't want LD to be the opening shot, fine.. The BH can still slap a stormie, hit ranged shot to open combat and then hit the LD. Does that make it better? Nope. Or what if, *gasp* the BH just attacks normally, andyou have the BH almost dead and then they hit LD and it STILL kills you, even at full health...
The bottom line is, leave the Smugglers alone. Don't CRY for the nerf the only attack in their repitoire that is designed to deal decent damage because you're abusinga spawn on Kashyyyk AND you're too lazy to get the proper defenses to make sure that LD doesnt 1 shot kill you.
Message Edited by JCWeeble on 07-01-200510:20 AM
Message Edited by JCWeeble on 07-01-2005 10:20 AM
Message Edited by JCWeeble on 07-01-2005 10:21 AM