Bounty Hunter Archive

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Atobe wrote:

Oh. My mistake. Who does delete them? Someone totally unfamiliar with the spirit and tenor of the forum. Or whom, then?

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Jedi_Xan wrote:

So I suppose if someone where to buy up all the remaining pre-CU premium and quality crystals and pearls and destroy them it would be ok too.

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Would I like it? No.

Would it be griefing? No.

Something a person does not like != Griefing.

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Hnglka wrote:

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HoopyFr00d wrote:

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Thembonez wrote:

Um get ahhh i dunno a 2nd or even 3rd account and go buy the stuff.

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I can't believe it took this long for someone to suggest this.

Hey! Now this all makes sense! SOE introduces the alpha class - Jedi. Then they create the Jedi-BH rivalry by putting Jedi on the terminals. As the hatred grows between the two groups, city bans and shop bans are inevitable, causing the problem described by the original poster. The only solution is for the ostracized player to purchase another box and pay monthly for the second account so they can freely browse the wares of merchants who have banned their BH.

What a brilliant marketing ploy! Good job SOE!

I'll admit that I'm guilty of a knee-jerk reaction, which was my post about knee-jerk reactions. My alt was mayor of a player city, so I fully understand the need for city bans and shop bans, and the right of the individual to service (or refuse to service) whoever they choose.

I'm not backing down on my contempt for Jedi who whine about losing XP, however. Anything that anyone does in this game, including the pursuit of Jedidom (is that a word?), is a choice. And there are a lot of choices out there that don't penalize the player for dying. In fact, ALL the other choices out there carry no penalty for dying

Life as a Jedi is tough... Wear a helmet.

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/agree. Now can you concede that the banning of a persisten or obnoxious BH or even opposite factioned non BH is a consequence of the choice to be that obnixous or persistent BH or opposite factioned player?

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I think the bit in yellow says just that, but if you want me to say it explicitly, then yes. However, the player would need to be pretty obnoxious and seriously griefing one or more of my citizens for me to take that path in the city I live in.

I suppose it depends on the tolerance of each mayor, shop owner. Some see the Jedi/BH thing as just part of the game, some immediately get their back up and take a "Well I'll show you, you so and so" attitude, even before the BH does anything in the city, or hunts any of the citizens. This, to my mind, is being overly sensitive and rides the fence between protecting the populace and griefing a BH simply because they're a BH.

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Jedi_Xan wrote:
Let me ask you a question. Would you operate a real business that way. I dont think you would.

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if you mean kick a troublesome customer out the door, yes i would. i'd also ban some guy from my store if he beat up a friend.

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HoopyFr00d wrote:

I suppose it depends on the tolerance of each mayor, shop owner. Some see the Jedi/BH thing as just part of the game, some immediately get their back up and take a "Well I'll show you, you so and so" attitude, even before the BH does anything in the city, or hunts any of the citizens. This, to my mind, is being overly sensitive and rides the fence between protecting the populace and griefing a BH simply because they're a BH.

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Jedi_Xan wrote:
No, I am not referring to people who cause trouble inside your store. I would have thought you would have known what I was referring to.

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_Apache wrote:
Thats just wrong. Even if the OP hunted his own Faction, so what? What if he's an RP'er and believes that All Jedi are enemies of the Emperor? Would that be cause to be banned? That would be like Banning anyone that ever killed me while I was Overt (SF). Sure it would be the opposite faction, but it would make just as much sense. I knew what I was getting into when I went SF. The Jedi know what they are getting into when they decide to become a Jedi. There should have to be better reasons to ban a player imo.

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What goes around comes around:

I constantly hear BH say 'If you don't want to be hunted don't be a Jedi!'

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Draxie wrote:

get used to it.

I was banned in a city when I was pulling Aa'kuan Champion missions from the terminal.

a few jedi came up to me and asked 'why I was faking pulling missions'

I answered with, "I AM pulling missions"

'yeah right' one jedi said and I got a cityban.

just because someone has mastered BH it means he's a "MBH on a mission" ?

not, those ppl are so paranoid/afraid they should quit playing immediately.

A Bounty Hunter is doing EXACTLY what he's supposed to do.

hunt jedi and/or NPCs apart from the normal gaming/grinding of course.

Jedi should complain to the DEVS (they programmed it) and not the players, but it's easy to blame someone for a mistake they made themselves.

When I get banned for no reason I submit a Harassment Ticket.

Some bans have been lifted after that and few players have gotten themselves into trouble with the CSR.

It's the way of BH Life.

I would suggest the DEVS if shopkeepers ban ppl to visit their vendors they should remove/block the Advertising skills of the owner as well.

I do recommend if you have a (jedi) alt not to expose it -if possible- to everyone. That way you can shop vendors with the alt instead of the Bounty Hunter.

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Citybanning players is no more "griefing" than bounty hunters hunting Jedi is "griefing". It's simply a facet of this game, that at the moment, does not favor you, therefore you cry "grief" and file tickets, and make the stupidest suggestions I think I've ever heard, highlighted in red, above. Thankfully, while the Devs have shown errors in judgement in the past, I feel confident that such an assinine suggestion will never be taken into consideration.

Now, let me finish with a bit of sage advice that the bounty hunters like to dispense to us Jedi: You knew the risks when you chose your profession. If you honestly thought that you could wander in and out of player cities, killing their residents at will with no retribution, then I truly feel sorry for your reasoning processes.

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MilannaSati wrote:

Citybanning players is no more "griefing" than bounty hunters hunting Jedi is "griefing". It's simply a facet of this game, that at the moment, does not favor you, therefore you cry "grief" and file tickets, and make the stupidest suggestions I think I've ever heard, highlighted in red, above. Thankfully, while the Devs have shown errors in judgement in the past, I feel confident that such an assinine suggestion will never be taken into consideration.

Now, let me finish with a bit of sage advice that the bounty hunters like to dispense to us Jedi: You knew the risks when you chose your profession. If you honestly thought that you could wander in and out of player cities, killing their residents at will with no retribution, then I truly feel sorry for your reasoning processes.

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Yet there are some people who feel this way. They feel like they should be able to do whatever they want to whomever they want with no consequences. Then they get all bent out of shape when someone dares to do something they don't like in response to their actions.

Entitlement syndrome, FTW.

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Berdelsan wrote:

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Eskie wrote:

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Berdelsan wrote:
Our profession is about causing harm, i do what my profession allows me to do. Thats my job. Im doing nothing wrong, im just playing my professions like its supposed to be. But not all people see it that way and the system allows them to grief us for whatever reason they have.

I think its wrong.. Perhaps you should be banned from every city for being "template pending"? hehe

Message Edited by Berdelsan on 07-29-2005 01:20 PM

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"Template pending" is not causing harm to anybody, and if you choose to attack a Jedi in a city its your fault. Talk about choosing the best location and time for your first strike.
A city has every right to ban everybody causing harm to their residents. You knew you would make enemies when picking up BH, right?

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Of cause i know ill get enemies and i have no problem with that. My problem is that there are game mechanics that allow them to make my life more difficult than it allready is because of their oppinion.

Some jedi/people think that BH's are one of the coolest parts of the game and adds content, some people think BH's are a pain and should be removed from the game and some does not care but still mindlessly rushes to ban you on sight just because you are a BH... I don't think that there should be game mechanics that allow their oppinion to grief my profession as they can now if they want.

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Jedi_Xan wrote:

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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:

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Hasun wrote:

I'll have to go back and read the rule book again, but I think you got a good case ofvictimisation. Put in a ticket, you never know

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For the record, banning a BH because they hunt a Jedi is NOT griefing.

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Thunderheart wrote:

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Night4554 wrote:

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Thunderheart wrote:

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Dosi wrote: What about the jedi who are banning bounty hunters just to keep them from being able to hunt htem in that city?

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This is a great example of a way to "grief the system".

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Since when is banning a player from a city to prevent them being able to shuttle in there and therefore make it harder for them to hunt you "greifing"? Or were you reffering to some therorhetical implementation in the thread.

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Thanks for asking that - - the theoretical implementation in the thread.

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Well, it would appear that even the Devs consider this type of banning griefing.

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Jedi_Xan wrote:

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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:

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Hasun wrote:

I'll have to go back and read the rule book again, but I think you got a good case ofvictimisation. Put in a ticket, you never know

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For the record, banning a BH because they hunt a Jedi is NOT griefing.

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Thunderheart wrote:

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Night4554 wrote:

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Thunderheart wrote:

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Dosi wrote: What about the jedi who are banning bounty hunters just to keep them from being able to hunt htem in that city?

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This is a great example of a way to "grief the system".

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Since when is banning a player from a city to prevent them being able to shuttle in there and therefore make it harder for them to hunt you "greifing"? Or were you reffering to some therorhetical implementation in the thread.

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Thanks for asking that - - the theoretical implementation in the thread.

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Well, it would appear that even the Devs consider this type of banning griefing.

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It would appear that way until you read what was actually SAID in the quote.

Night4554 asks since when it's griefing to ban someone so they can't use the shuttles and have a harder time hunting you. Then asks if TH was talking about the theoretical implementation in the thread.

TH thanks the person and clarifies that he was talking about the theoretical implementation.

TH does NOT say "both".

TH does NOT say that the current implementation of /cityban is griefing to use against a BH who is hunting you. When asked about that directly he clarifies that he was talking about something else entirely.