Bounty Hunter Archive

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Blixtev wrote:

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Hasun wrote:

This isn't even one of our top 5 issues and its been addressed. This stinks. Smugglers were promised missions about 6 months ago and all they got from there "revamp" was a slicing systems that was changed 3 days before going live.

Jedi are the most hated profession ingame by the majority of professions, because of there constant attention, but recently I noticed alot of hostility towards bounty hunter because of the "attention" we are recieving.

I am beginning to wonder if this is the start of a master plan by SOE to takeaway player hatred from the jedi and place it on the BH's.

If we continue to get things we don't ask for while glaring exploits, bugged ridden professions and broken promises of revamps, many more professions will turn on us.

What really is bugging me though is if the development wants to show us love, why not combat one of our top issues like

1. Offline missions showing up in huge numbers on mission terms


2. Droids on Kashyyyk not tracking or giving names


3. None of our states stick on a regular basis in PvP

All that will happen after this patchis ALL jedi alts and None PvP players will respec to MBH in the hope of looting some pearls or a cash cow, seeing a massive increase in our profession, again making smugglers, squad leaders, rangers, entertainers, etchate us.

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Why must it always be a conspiracy theory? It is as simple as I was working on BH/Jedi missions and ran a few NPC missions and went "Wow, these are lame, Why would anyone want to do these?" So I came into work over a weekend and made some new challenging Marks, created some new loot, and re-itemized.

It was as simple as something was lame, I thought I could make it better, andfixed it up in my freetime.

Not everyone is about the PvP game, and even those that are like a bit of respite from it every now and then. Plus withnice new loot on there, who wouldn't want to kill some Marks?

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I agree.. and i wish there were more of you out there.. this game would just ROCK

Blixtev wrote :

Why must it always be a conspiracy theory? It is as simple as I was working on BH/Jedi missions and ran a few NPC missions and went "Wow, these are lame, Why would anyone want to do these?" So I came into work over a weekend and made some new challenging Marks, created some new loot, and re-itemized.

It was as simple as something was lame, I thought I could make it better, andfixed it up in my freetime.

Not everyone is about the PvP game, and even those that are like a bit of respite from it every now and then. Plus withnice new loot on there, who wouldn't want to kill some Marks?

Many Thanks Blixtev.But i cant understand why (how) you make (and finish)the work (to bring up more content ),we are waiting for month (years )long

now on one Weekend.

What about the regular work time into the Week???

I would like to see if you can make the same for smuggler players.Maybe this time together with als other Devs into thenormal work time.

Message Edited by Sardokhan on 07-24-2005 09:18 AM

Message Edited by Sardokhan on 07-24-2005 09:20 AM

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ShaikeRamjet wrote:

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Cada_Kai wrote:

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Vanin-Trf wrote:

Thats a jedi for you cry nerf on every skill that can kill them yet they dont mind being able to hit for 2k dam every 3 secs, i say we nerf Jedi lightsabers and bring the dam back down some. I mean come on 2k dam in one hit? heck with lastditch you have to bealmost dead for it to do anything and thats if it dont miss. So any jedi that think last ditch needs to be nerf can well you know *gulp gulp* me,

Message Edited by Vanin-Trf on 07-23-200509:43 AM

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You are an idiot. I dont even know where to begin debunking this tripe that you are spewing in the forum.

Who got Feign Death Nerfed? ill give you a hint it wasnt The Jedi. Jedi were using it in battle and the Bounty Hunters Cried and got it nerfed. Jedi got this nerfed because they were using to avoid death... much like cloaking now. It was stated by the devs that no one should be invincible and that is why they were nerfing FD.

Now some bounty hunters are using other parts of smuggler i.e. advanced concussion shot, and Last Ditch. Advanced concussion was said to be broken awhile back. The Change was not due to Jedi it is due to it not working as intended.

Jedi do not hit for 2k every 3 seconds. I dont know where you get your information from but it is very, very wrong. Pre-CU sure back when LS did LS damage then they hit for alot more. Sabers are maxed at 800 damage. With the modifiers in place you may get close to 2k but not every 3 seconds. Tell this to the Jedi who are overloading their LS's and doing 1.7k+ damage every second with Force speed and not having to even use Armor Break.

More like 300-600 every 3-4 seconds if you have Force Speed, and or Master Lightsabers. Pffft... you don't know much about your own profession or the exploits your profession is using... who's the idiot now?

Last ditch is not being used as it was meant to be used. IT was meant to be a "Last Ditch" attack. Slapping a ST to get your health down then using it as a first strike is not in the intention.

If it was it would be called something like "SlappyStormtrooperInstaJediKill" and im sure the description would state that it is a first round attack.

Those of you that think the Developers are out to get you really need to seek some professional help.

Most of you probably dont remember Bounty Hunter when you had to have MasterScout/MAsterMarksman. Had less defense thana Dancer, and couldnt suppliment the profession with much of anything since you used so many skill points. I was there. I have been a BH since August '03 and a Master since November '03. But this is a moot point and I don't understand where you are going with this.

Bounty Hunter has come along way, and has had far more given than taken away. Do not forget your past. Heck the Developers even had a special publish that dropped most of the requirements to get MBH so you could dabble more. A special publish? I don't recall an actual BH revamp or a Smuggler revamp either. But I do recall 2 Jedi revamps.

Quit the incessant whining and learn to play your toon, and enjoy the game. If you cannot do either of those the /cancell. The game would be better off without your crying to drag things down. Wow... coming from a profession that uses the most exploits in the game, vastly overpowered for their numbers, ruined the GCW and made it to where you need to be a Jedi to compete and likes to try to be the superior voice on the forums...

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Let's see....

Jedi have used an exploit to mess up BH droids by logging off and then back on

Jedi have used exploits to over power their sabers by stack crystals and pearls... not once but twice now

Jedi have used an exploit using the /duel command in order to see if a BH has thier mission.

Jedi have used the exploit of attacking while cloaked.

Jedi have used an exploit that allowed them to take advantage of a broken TEF system allowing them to run inside house while in combat with the BH.

Jedi have used the exploit of using bugged battlefields to avoid combat with BH.

Jedi have used the exploit of /offerRide and /acceptRide from 32m away in order to escape combat.

Jedi have used an exploit of using 2 attacks simultaneously in order to hit twice in a single action.

Jedi have exploited the Respec in order to train a bunch of low level boxes so that they could just respec 12 hours later to the high level boxes in order to circumvent the higher XP requirements.

Jedi have used the LOS exploit on the Rryyat Trails in order to avoid combat from BH.

Jedi have used an exploit allowing them to DB themselves in order to not lose XP from a BH.

I know there are more... but you get the point. There is plenty of reason for people to complain and "whine" about Jedi. A lot of the exploits affected more than just BH. Jedi are always finding an exploit and some way to get around the few drawbacks that Jedi have.

Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 07-23-2005 03:27 PM

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Q to the F to the E

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Maxanto wrote: Our "powers" are no more potent than a BH. So what risk and reward do we get?

Though I am done trying to educate small kids who play with mommy's credit cards. I am, however, full templated. I like it when you respec noobs come after me... I 3 incap every time to teach you kiddies a lesson. Too bad ur not on eclipse.

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Try complete and total self sufficiency and a SECOND character slot. Did you forget those? You havent NEEDED a second character slot since permadeath and Pub 9. Thats your reward. Give everyone ELSE a second character slot if you think they should have a 'risk' or demand the devs take the jedi's away. You get rewards stacked ontop of rewards ontop of MORE rewards and all you do is complain. The only thing jedi buy in this economy is food and swoops, and after they gave you infinite forcerun, even fewer swoops now. You buy no weapons, you buy no armor, you buy no droid consumables, you need no doctors or medics. I guess you did buy a house or two so you could hide in there like a groveling rat to avoid being hunted at every lair; crouched over and cowarding in a huddled mass in the corner. Other than that you contribute nothing to the economy and you depend on it even less. Do the math before you pop off about rewards. How does any of that compare to 250k?. I could buy quite a few 2nd characters if they went for 250k a piece.

This is why if we ever DO get a non-jedi server people like you completely FEAR it. It will speak in silent but thundering volumes as to the opinion of the rest of the non-jedi regarding your real place in this timeline. And you and those like you fear it because you will suddenly become not-so-special in the end.

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Tanks wrote:

Even after Blixtev's post people are berating him for choosing to spend some of his free time on BHs rather than Smuggler's etc. He was NOT working on smugglers, and one can not do a full profession revamp on a weekend!!!

Also, Smugglers have a correspondent too. The smugglers that are posting here should go talk to him.

This game will never get better if anytime a dev improves something, especially in his free time, you people jump on him for not working on your pet project.

Hasun, Are you going to make another negative post on the Entertainer boards next about the changes they got in Pub. 20?

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the smugglers are not at all upset that a dev went the extra mile. In fact to the contrary we get excited whenever positive changes happen that are outside the BH v. Jedi code-fest that has been the status quo. I think the original poster had a valid question, and I really really appreciate the fact that other professions are starting to realize how insane its getting that an incomplete beta launch item is still not working after 2 years. I know bugs and such always exist but after 2 years nothing on the original buglist should still be around, make people work overtime if needbe but release-day code issues should be off the bug tracker after 2 years.. just my opinion.

Tanks, you will notice within just a few posts the jedi had already invaded the thread and assumed their typical 'if its not about me then it doesnt need to happen' political spin. I think the negative posts are really all focused at him and perhaps thats why people perceive it as many people blasting blix. I can say with almost 100% certaintly that noone in the smuggling community thinks what he did on his own time was a bad thing. I just wish we had a coder of our own as dedicated . I am REALLY starting to get the feeling that the only 2 real programmers are Blix and Darth_Platypus. Its like all the other post_once_in_a_year red names are really just shadow accounts and that code assignment is up for bids on some Indian auction site going out to the lowest bidder and as the jobs get bid on and completed, suddenly there is an announcement of such. It sure would explain why what we get doesnt even come close to the in concept threads. Ive seen the shoddy coding and language breakdown comming out of programmers in India.

Message Edited by EEMAN on 07-24-2005 12:41 PM

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EEMAN wrote:



you will notice within just a few posts the jedi had already invaded the thread and assumed their typical 'if its not about me then it doesnt need to happen' political spin. I think the negative posts are really all focused at him and perhaps thats why people perceive it as many people blasting blix.

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EEMAN wrote:

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Tanks wrote:

Even after Blixtev's post people are berating him for choosing to spend some of his free time on BHs rather than Smuggler's etc. He was NOT working on smugglers, and one can not do a full profession revamp on a weekend!!!

Also, Smugglers have a correspondent too. The smugglers that are posting here should go talk to him.

This game will never get better if anytime a dev improves something, especially in his free time, you people jump on him for not working on your pet project.

Hasun, Are you going to make another negative post on the Entertainer boards next about the changes they got in Pub. 20?

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the smugglers are not at all upset that a dev went the extra mile. In fact to the contrary we get excited whenever positive changes happen that are outside the BH v. Jedi code-fest that has been the status quo. I think the original poster had a valid question, and I really really appreciate the fact that other professions are starting to realize how insane its getting that an incomplete beta launch item is still not working after 2 years. I know bugs and such always exist but after 2 years nothing on the original buglist should still be around, make people work overtime if needbe but release-day code issues should be off the bug tracker after 2 years.. just my opinion.




Tanks, you will notice within just a few posts the jedi had already invaded the thread and assumed their typical 'if its not about me then it doesnt need to happen' political spin.



I think the negative posts are really all focused at him and perhaps thats why people perceive it as many people blasting blix. I can say with almost 100% certaintly that noone in the smuggling community thinks what he did on his own time was a bad thing. I just wish we had a coder of our own as dedicated . I am REALLY starting to get the feeling that the only 2 real programmers are Blix and Darth_Platypus. Its like all the other post_once_in_a_year red names are really just shadow accounts and that code assignment is up for bids on some Indian auction site going out to the lowest bidder and as the jobs get bid on and completed, suddenly there is an announcement of such. It sure would explain why what we get doesnt even come close to the in concept threads. Ive seen the shoddy coding and language breakdown comming out of programmers in India.

Message Edited by EEMAN on 07-24-2005 12:41 PM

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In response to the bolded text above... Are you serious? Why does EVRYTING have to be at the fault of the Jedi? This thread has gone thru 6 pages now, and ALOT of folks bashing a Dev for doing something good for the BH's, but "just not good enough" and now you seriously want to say it's the Jedi's fault????

Message Edited by Dlek_Krego on 07-24-2005 10:51 AM

I just wanted to say "thank you" to Blixtev.

I enjoy PvE and i'm really looking forward to redoing BH npcs missions.

Once again, thank you.

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Tanks wrote:

Even after Blixtev's post people are berating him for choosing to spend some of his free time on BHs rather than Smuggler's etc. He was NOT working on smugglers, and one can not do a full profession revamp on a weekend!!!

Also, Smugglers have a correspondent too. The smugglers that are posting here should go talk to him.

This game will never get better if anytime a dev improves something, especially in his free time, you people jump on him for not working on your pet project.

Hasun, Are you going to make another negative post on the Entertainer boards next about the changes they got in Pub. 20?

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And smugglers don't have a developer playing their proffession and bearing their icon AND only reserve himself to that proffession.

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Tanks wrote:

Even after Blixtev's post people are berating him for choosing to spend some of his free time on BHs rather than Smuggler's etc. He was NOT working on smugglers, and one can not do a full profession revamp on a weekend!!!

Also, Smugglers have a correspondent too. The smugglers that are posting here should go talk to him.

This game will never get better if anytime a dev improves something, especially in his free time, you people jump on him for not working on your pet project.

Hasun, Are you going to make another negative post on the Entertainer boards next about the changes they got in Pub. 20?

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MsNiL wrote:

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Hasun wrote:

This isn't even one of our top 5 issues and its been addressed. This stinks. Smugglers were promised missions about 6 months ago and all they got from there "revamp" was a slicing systems that was changed 3 days before going live.

Jedi are the most hated profession ingame by the majority of professions, because of there constant attention, but recently I noticed alot of hostility towards bounty hunter because of the "attention" we are recieving.

I am beginning to wonder if this is the start of a master plan by SOE to takeaway player hatred from the jedi and place it on the BH's.

If we continue to get things we don't ask for while glaring exploits, bugged ridden professions and broken promises of revamps, many more professions will turn on us.

What really is bugging me though is if the development wants to show us love, why not combat one of our top issues like

1. Offline missions showing up in huge numbers on mission terms


2. Droids on Kashyyyk not tracking or giving names


3. None of our states stick on a regular basis in PvP

All that will happen after this patchis ALL jedi alts and None PvP players will respec to MBH in the hope of looting some pearls or a cash cow, seeing a massive increase in our profession, again making smugglers, squad leaders, rangers, entertainers, etchate us.

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I strongly disagree with you here Hasun. This game is about more than pvp and Jedi hate.

The pointless NPC missions where the reason I dumped Bounty Hunter, and I always wished they did something better. Now with Elite NPC its more point in doing them. The entire system was already in the game, so it cannot be compared with Smugglers needs.

I have even been thinking about grinding up a Bounty Hunter again just to try it out. I liked to be a Bounty Hunter, up to the point I could afford buffs... then it was no fun anymore.

More so, "Jedi" areFIVE skillsets, 90 boxes, 65 separate skills. My skillset "Force Healer" that I have purchased for113 skillpoints have had no attention whatsoever since August 2004 when it was introduced in the game, except for a primary nerf in the Combat Upgrade and then another solid nerf in Publish 19.
I play one of the most gimped skillsets in the game. If you are going to start to treat five skillsets as one, I can begin saying that Bounty Hunters have it all good, since they have access to things like Sniper Shot (Marksman) Advanced Stopping Shot (Marksman) and Concussion Shot (Marksman). I can start saying that every fix or modification to "Marksman" is a fix for YOU, even if the fixes are located in skillboxes you do not evenhave. In fact, if you sum up the total amount of fixes for Marksman you will find they got far more attention than "Jedi", so you should be happy! Remember that a fixfor "Smuggler" is a fix for YOU, since its a fix for Marksman.You are just as spoiled as thoosespoiled "Brawlers".

More so, MBHand MLShave one thing in common. Both have access to Blind, Dizzy, Stun and Bleed. Each attack are totally gimped right now thanks to an unbalanced Core System.

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