Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: The infamous CL10!!!
Zapper_Weisman
Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:46 pm
#105
SkyPreacher1 wrote:
Zapper,
Funny for a person that never gets hit i end up in the cloning center about 4 times a day.
Obviously you don't play CH much lately.
You have your pets attack first?
Never had that problem at all. I could understand with Nightsisters or something of that caliber, but anything below that, even the novice force users on Dant, werent a problem. Like I said before, I could fight mokks unbuffed in padded armor as long as my pets attacked first.
NancyJ
Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:50 pm
#106
Zapper_Weisman wrote:
NancyJ wrote:I never said it wouldnt... I said that droids and non-ch pet are not equal and therefore not comparable.
AFAIK droids are not intended to be equal in power to non-ch pets, if they were they would be CL10 and follow the same stat restrictions as pets.That was my point.... The CL of droids doesnt matter. Anyone can handle them. Consequently, though obviously there has to be differences between machines and creatures, the most comparable thing in usefulnessis the ubers that are made. If we lose those, we lose all valuable nonCH business.
Not true at all, I sell a ton of mounts made out of kreetle DNA, sure its not gonna get me rich but did you ever think that maybe the devs would rather people (who arent CH's) had droids than pets.
Droids are undoubtedly more 'starwarsy' than pets.
IMO if you want a pet for anything more than 'fluff' or a cheap ride then be a CH. When the Droid Commander profession comes into the game then I'm sure the power of nonCH droids will be rebalanced.
Zapper_Weisman
Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:59 pm
#107
NancyJ wrote:
Not true at all, I sell a ton of mounts made out of kreetle DNA, sure its not gonna get me rich but did you ever think that maybe the devs would rather people (who arent CH's) had droids than pets.
Droids are undoubtedly more 'starwarsy' than pets.
IMO if you want a pet for anything more than 'fluff' or a cheap ride then be a CH. When the Droid Commander profession comes into the game then I'm sure the power of nonCH droids will be rebalanced.
Yes, cheap mounts are great, and people buy them. But, they dont sell for much at all, and when you're paying for factories, harvestors, large houses for DNA storage and all that jazz, you need a steady and decent income. I cant sell those things for more than 10k a pop, and I dont sell that many of them. People have vehicles, why do they need a mount unless it can do more than just be ridden? Especially considering CHs tame and train mounts for nonCHs and usually sell them full grown, a lot more appealing than a pet deed that you have to wait a few days for then get trained by a CH.
You are making a huge assumption that droids are prefered by the devs, lol. Especially considering 1/4 of our class is devoted to the pet making market.
The day pets become so limited they are either "fluff" or you have to be CH is the day my account is cancelled. I love pets. I've been CH. Everyone should be able to have a useful pet. End of story. How useful is the question. Personally I think they should be able to hold their ground against droids since you cant have droids and pets out simultaneously.
Amana
Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:43 pm
#108
NancyJ-
If you dont want your crafters apron to decay dont carry it around with you, leave it at home where you need it.
Fixed is not the same as nerfed. A nerf is to take something that deemed to powerful and lessen its power - that is not the same as taking a problem system that can be exploited to create abominations of nature and fixing it so that it works in the way that it was intended
I thought we were supposed to be able to create abominations and freaks of nature. Just wish a decision would be made where we can have semi powerful pets with near 3 to 4k HAM or just make em weak so they are only worthy as mounts like 500 HAM with no resists. One thing I truely hope for is that we can get some SEAs so we can be 12 pointers like weaponsmiths, armorsmiths, and droid engineers.
SkyPreacher1
Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:57 am
#109
Zapper,
I always have my pets attack first. Take last nite doing enraged rancors. Pet is attacking enraged rancors, HAM going down I slip in to heal the pet, 7m from pet is the distance you need to be, WHAM, BAM, hi cloning center.
Same pet, same lair. Pet is attacking, first, ooops auto store. WHAM, hi cloning center.
Next Lair, last night pet is again attacking first. Rancor goes hmmmm, steps past my pet WHAM, Hi cloning center. Three deaths.
Don't tell I don't know what I am doing, I have been an MCH since August last year. When a creature steps past my pets, it auto stores, it runs, it doesn't keep the agro, when it bypasses all of that and more, last nite the pet lost agro and came running back to me, oh yeah that was 4 deaths. Don't tell me I don't take damage, that is a myth that is being held over from the days before the December nerf. I regularly take damage and death from PVE Mobs and everyone of those deaths causes decay.
I had a TKM be afk, get knocked off his bike last nite at my lair. HE IS AFK ZAPPER, A freaking FK and he is not using any specials and he kills two enraged rancors AFK!!
Anyway, this is about obscene CL 10 critters that non ch's have access to and shouldn't.
Live a day in my wookie shoes. I love CH and I believe that when the combat balance happens one of two things will happen,
a) Everyone will be brought down to our level and suddenly people will be crying nerf the CH's again. That would be the third major nerf to CH in less than a year.
b) they will fix CH and our pets and again everyone will be yelling, nerf CH.
So all I see is that CH will probably become FOTM again and then the devs knee jerk reaction will be to nerf us again. If this happens I won't give up CH, I will give up the game, much as I hate to.
SunWolfe9
Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:22 pm
#110
I wouldn't really compair droids to the BE or any creatures. I am a DE and just now learing BE. BE I still have much to learn though. Anyway Droids are one of the most buggiest profession out there. The storage never was right and problay won't be. The 40% armor is not even right. I can put a lvl 3 armor plate in a droid it says 40% with 0 rating, same with a lvl 6. The only thing that is correct on the droid is it's HAM. It's combat and dmg I guess is correct aswell. Anyway when you buy a droid ask for a lvl 6 armor plate and hope they put one in. I don't think there is anyway to really tell. It is pretty sad. We get new modules and they don't work till like3 months later. haha
Wish me luck on BE please, I think I am gonna need it!! I am trying just to make balance lvl 10 pets and there stats are all over the place. Problay cause I am just a novice in skill hehe
SkyPreacher1
Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:36 am
#111
CH and BE's should be the best of friends not waging wars over customers.
GMANHNC
Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:24 pm
#114
RebsSuck wrote:
This is very important we can all learn a valuable lesson from this post.
Verser
Tue Sep 14, 2004 3:43 pm
#115
Dalmartynn wrote:
Hey gang,
The debate over what a CL 10 bio-engineered pet has raged on for quite a while now, not only here, but in the CH forums also. Many people feel that some of the current stock is way too over powered for a non-CH character. Others feel that, as long as we can creat them, they are perfectly legal.
Well thanx to an idea spawned by GMANHNC, here is everyones opportunity to post what they feel a "legal" CL 10 bio pet should look like. I will post a link to this ( or try to anyway ) on the CH forums so that they can get into the action also. Maybe we can come to a happy medium and submit the ideas up the chain. Can't hurt to try eh?
Here is my rough idea.
CL 10 (Max)
H- 8000
A- 3000
M- 2000
no armor
resistancesup to 50
dmg capped at 100
all specials and ranged allowed
Again this is just my rough idea bassed upon some of the lower end "uber" pets I have made myself. They may still seem a bit overpowered to some of you, and that is fine. Please post what you would think they should look like. Please do not flame other posters ideas, there are plenty of other threads to do that on. Thank you all for participating
Dal
If I can get a 10k HAM pet without spending one SP in CH... then why would I spend the dozens of points to get MCH so I can get a lvl 75 pet with an extra thousand of HAM?
Dalmartynn
Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:17 pm
#116
Verser wrote:
If I can get a 10k HAM pet without spending one SP in CH... then why would I spend the dozens of points to get MCH so I can get a lvl 75 pet with an extra thousand of HAM?
That 10k HAM non CH pet is no comparisson to any CL 70 on the market. They have no armour for starters. The resistances are nnext to nil. And the health is the only thing you will ever see at 10k; the Action and mind are considerably lower.
Most CL70 that I have seen made average around 12-13k in all 3 HAM stats. Light armour. And 60% in kin and energy at a minimum. Or close to that.
Either way there is no way any CL10 could ever match up to a MCH pet. I dont agree with a 10k stat on a nonCH pet either, but 6k health, 3k action, 1.5 k mind should not be too much of a stretch for a good pet. I mean you can get that with a good standard VD+HP combine.
SkyPreacher1
Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:39 pm
#117
Verser,
No MCH can have a CL 75 pet the highest we can have is 70 and that is only wookies.