Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: Getting to know you and your profession!
Tralmek wrote:
This conversation is getting very close to needing to take place on the buffbot sticky.
Amen. I don't suppose some moderater type could kindly usher these two trolls out?
J.
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It was considered an exploit because it broke the game! It allowed Jedi to gain ALL the exp they wanted without fear of retribution. I tip buffbots and I do so proudly they are providing the service I want at 4 am CST. and they do it without making me interact with them. HEY I DONT MIND INTERACTING WITH THEM.BUT, I SHOULDNT BE FORCED TO BEG FOR A FREAKIN HEAL. And tell me is it not possible for you to pull in every person their and buff them? you can advertise in a way a buffbot cannot. its called making them a better deal then the robot buff bot in the corner can. And who says i HAVE TO show you respect. does a chef or a doctor DEMAND i respect them? NO they do their job and get paid for it.... Maybe thats what the entertainers who are complaining should do, NO?
Einhinder wrote:
finally all servers now host a live entrtainer chat channel i believe where live entertainers can be found to buff or heal you before all the masses of people who love buffbotts whine about how they can never find a live entertainer why dont you actually try finding one most dont they just go straight to the buffbott right off because you dont have to tip takto or respect a buffbott its an inanimate object and it has ruined 3 entire professions. and if afk gameplay is so ok by the devs then why is afk leviling on the roof considered an exploit for jedi
Karquile wrote:
Tiggs wrote:
Just popping in to let you guys know I didn't forget about you. I sent out an email questioning the policy and I am still waiting on a response. Everyone is very busy with JtL going from beta to launch so it may take a few days.
Just as something to read along with your email let me add the following, if only to bolster my collection of 1 stars from the feather boa syndicate.
The devs and founders of this game were very explicit from Day 1 that intelligent macro-ing and a reasonable amount of AFK were part of the game. You can read articles and interviews out the wazoo that confirm this viewpoint.since when is reasonable afk completly macroing an entire profesion this is exsessive and unresonable
Over the course of time in game development it is perfectly reasonable to expect that a mafia of socializer type Dancers and Musicians would evolve and (human nature being what it is) that they would want to "own" the profession and control all advancement and rewards within the profession while squeezing out everyone they do not control, particularly the AFK's in place to service other communities. That is the nature of the beast.mafia own Gee im sorry all we want is to be able to play our profession and make enough credits at it to survive in the game without having to take another profession if we dont choose to how is his wanting to own the profession and shut everyone else out. i dont want to own the profession i welcome compatition from players who actual;ly play the game however afk is not a play style its a non play style
Nevertheless the interests of those other communities who need BF healing on a consistent basis is at least as worth of Dev respect and consideration as the special pleadings of the Fleshwrap Cos Nostra. Their focus is on the NPC cities and their chosen few private cantinas. But most of your customer base is scattered elsewhere. if you were a dancer before christmas which i doubt by the way you descrive ancers you would know that this isnt the way it used to be we were driven out of the cantinas by buffbotts i used to kknow tons of dancers and yes masters who would dacne in all manner of location s and never hesitated to travel to buff or healsomeone even if we didnt get tipped that stopped with the afk infestation and the complete lack of community repspect we gained along with it
If the socializers had made some special effort to cover the Galaxy, they might deserve special game protection. But they have done no such thing. They just want to force everybody to kowtow and /tip them as the undisputed Lords of the Blue Bar regardless. And I am here to tell you that your working player will have none of it. again why are we going to make an effort to cover h galaxy whne we do there a buffbott there or we ger harrassed and disrepected by the people there
Most BF healing occurs in the boonies in private dwellings and cantinas where your squad of Forum whiners here never venture. Most Entertaining takes place outside their clutches. im sorry but again most live entertainers are willing to travel to heal you even go to dungeons or on hunts wihth you to heal and buff along the way if you ask them nicely treat hem with recpecnt and omg and i now this is hard for you actually tip them once in a while
You would do well to remember the needs of SWG's whole population, not just a squeaky-wheel subset.
Saabotage wrote:
It was considered an exploit because it broke the game!
3) Droid Decay- other people have talked about this at length, I'll just say I agree with the concept, as long as its implemented properly. The possibilties for repair need to be addressed as opposed to simple Decay and replacement. This is where a modular system similar to shipwright would work best, but the Development time also rockets up when the more complex proposals are considered.
Message Edited by Vaelore on 10-25-2004 02:32 PM
Saabotage wrote:I always tip my buffbots i cannot do without them!!! You know most of the time I dont want to sit their and talk to an entertainer or dancer or musician. They are in their world and I in mine! ALL I want is my mind healed and possibly a buff. Last time I talked to a live Musician/Dancer, he said he didn't like how I asked for the buff. (NOT ANYTHING TODO WITH MONEY, JUST DIDN'T LIKE THE FACT I WANTED MY BUFF AND TO LEAVE!). So I use buffbots mostly now. 1)Their easier to deal with. 2)Their usually faster, and 3) they dont demand payment. And besides with JtL a few days away Entertainers will be getting all the exp they can shake a stick at. (Also sense their entertainers they should not be able to demand that I pay them) IT SHOULD BE MY CHOICE! And lastley BEING A DANCER, ENTERTAINER, AND MUSICIAN IS MIND NUMBINGLY BORING!
Hey don't 1 star me ive tried it, I know you can agree that doing the same 20 moves ALL day long is borning as hell. what about the same 8 songs? ( dont know how many offically their, are just guessing). After you heard them for 1 day you want to go afk. Least I did for the day or so i was an entertainer.
I am NOT an entertainer. but i hear the same old line comming from these professions which is basicaly "NERF RECURSIVE MACROS".
I like to write macros and ive got plenty of DETAILED macros that can do just about ANYTHING. I don't want to lose my macro abilities just because some entertainers/musicians and dancers want them to be done away with. Ohh and the last complaint "YOU DONT MAKE ANY MONEY". FIRST OFF. YES YOU DO! ...
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It was considered an exploit because it broke the game! It allowed Jedi to gain ALL the exp they wanted without fear of retribution. I tip buffbots and I do so proudly they are providing the service I want at 4 am CST. and they do it without making me interact with them. HEY I DONT MIND INTERACTING WITH THEM.BUT, I SHOULDNT BE FORCED TO BEG FOR A FREAKIN HEAL. And tell me is it not possible for you to pull in every person their and buff them? you can advertise in a way a buffbot cannot. its called making them a better deal then the robot buff bot in the corner can. And who says i HAVE TO show you respect. does a chef or a doctor DEMAND i respect them? NO they do their job and get paid for it.... Maybe thats what the entertainers who are complaining should do, NO?
and then there was Karquile ...
Over the course of time in game development it is perfectly reasonable to expect that a mafia of socializer type Dancers and Musicians would evolve and (human nature being what it is) that they would want to "own" the profession and control all advancement and rewards within the profession while squeezing out everyone they do not control, particularly the AFK's in place to service other communities.
If the socializers had made some special effort to cover the Galaxy, they might deserve special game protection. But they have done no such thing. They just want to force everybody to kowtow and /tip them as the undisputed Lords of the Blue Bar regardless. And I am here to tell you that your working player will have none of it.
Most BF healing occurs in the boonies in private dwellings and cantinas where your squad of Forum whiners here never venture.
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It would be nice if the socializing lobbyist brigade would not EVEN try to convince me that they are going to come out there to BumfuqueTown and replace that AFK townie's toon when they're finished making him illegal. It's not going to happen.
See what we have to deal with Tiggs? From outsiders and even those who at least claim to be insiders. We have no way of knowing for sure whether they are who they claim to be or not unless we happen to know them from in the game, but if they are, at the very least they seem to be having a very different gaming experience from what most of us seem to be having. At the beginning of this thread you said you didn't want to just get pointed to other threads so these would be some good examples of the typical kinds of resistance we usually face around here. These same questions have been pointed out and refuted many times before, but if you want to see more of the arguments both ways in more detail, you can simply refer to the AFK/buffbot sticky thread in this forum. I think there's no need to repeat all those arguments here.
There is no question that there will be change, and that there will be some getting used to, but this current atmosphere is venomous. It must come to an end and soon. As a veteran of the game since about launch, I almost find humor in the dire predictions of those painting gloom and doom in a game without buffbots and AFK macros since I was there when most people never knew about AFK, buffs didn't exist, and entertainer groups had fun in cantinas socializing and helping to heal people who came in. 'Almost' that is except for the fact that this time seems so long ago now, and these opinions are so vicious and so widespread now. This is why we need help and we need it now (actually, we needed it months ago). I know that other professions need help as well, and I wouldn't deny them their fair turn in line, but hopefully now that JTL is about out, the dev team can focus on a few issues at a time, and I hope that our most pressing ones will be among them.
And Tiggs, I again appreciate the effort that you are making for us here. I daresay this is the first time that I have seen the devs pay any attention to our concerns and suggestions much less make sure that they are considered on any level. I thank you for that, and I hope that we will continue to see your updates in here from time to time.
Esharra wrote:
Well, Tiggs..the above are not by any means examples of the Worst things I've been called in game, just for being a dancer.