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JayceMilam wrote:

You are flaming me???? Because I wanted 3 million for a crafting schematic worth 10 million to the chef??? I was askign for less than one third what he would make from the brandy he was going to make. Before you flame someone maybe you should understand the topic. He wasn't asking me for supplements, he was asking me to give away all my time and effort i spent to become a Master BE for next to nothing. This has never been about the money for me. I sell my chef additives for 20/40/60k respectively, I have a few chefs who buy from me regularly and i give them discounts for their loyalty. If someone wanted a whole run of additives I would easily sell them all 40crates for 1 million even though at 40k a crate it would be 1.6 million. So the next you think you know what you are talking about ... try again. I don't think there is any reason that I would sell a schematic, there was a reason I became a BE and it isn't to male schematics for chefs so that I make my profession virtually useless and hurt my fellow be's by allowing chefs to get our supplements for such a low price it might hurt them. Are you even a BE? By the way thanks for the kind words, but unfortunately I have not gone broke and am around 10 million credits currently, but best of luck putting people like me out of business.

Now that I think about it though maybe you are right ... It is so easy to make +88's and +89's BSN. And since meat is so cheap on Bria I guess I should charge less for my supplements. After all a schematic with 1000's units is only a few simple items.

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Ignore him dude. This guy obviously hasn't been a BE long enough to know what he's talking about. He doesn't have any idea how selling schematics hurts the profession and therefore is clueless about thereason you quoted 3 mil.

By refusing to make schematics, you are essentually demanding that the chef wait around for the BE's to harvest the necessary resources, yet because hunting isn't very productive with a CDEF pistol, you also demand that they pay ten times the normal price for those resources to compensate you for this self imposed drudgery. It's no wonder that the only thing in stock on any given chef vendor is brandy. Don't forget that schematic makers are not the only competition you must face, you also need to compete with the chef's alt character that he needs to make in order to have any hope of a well stocked chef shop.

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Cephalo wrote:
By refusing to make schematics, you are essentually demanding that the chef wait around for the BE's to harvest the necessary resources, yet because hunting isn't very productive with a CDEF pistol, you also demand that they pay ten times the normal price for those resources to compensate you for this self imposed drudgery. It's no wonder that the only thing in stock on any given chef vendor is brandy. Don't forget that schematic makers are not the only competition you must face, you also need to compete with the chef's alt character that he needs to make in order to have any hope of a well stocked chef shop.

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RancorPoker wrote:

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Cephalo wrote:
By refusing to make schematics, you are essentually demanding that the chef wait around for the BE's to harvest the necessary resources, yet because hunting isn't very productive with a CDEF pistol, you also demand that they pay ten times the normal price for those resources to compensate you for this self imposed drudgery. It's no wonder that the only thing in stock on any given chef vendor is brandy. Don't forget that schematic makers are not the only competition you must face, you also need to compete with the chef's alt character that he needs to make in order to have any hope of a well stocked chef shop.

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God, I sometimes dream of the SWG days before brandy. The chef revamp really messed things up. Sometimes I think a broken chef profession was a better tradeoff than this. Would anyone imagine how a smuggler would've reacted 5 months ago if you demanded a free muon or neutron pixie schematic? The thought never crossed my mind.

Ceph, your logic escapes me. I have invested so much to make schematic after schematic of high quality tissues (+87 and +117 Intels) available for the chef community. My additive vendor is always full and they don't sell. I even have very respectful prices. The only reasonable explaination chefs prefer schematics points to pure, uninhibited greed. Most BE's I've encountered work their butts off to keep a full stock available for purchase. The chefs would prefer to make a 95% profit instead of the measly 85% profit. After all, us BE's are only good for making trophy guildhall pets and schematics. I will never EVER sell a schematic. And I will never play chef slave in exchange for my integrity. Once, if ever, my chef tissues sell... I'll be removing my additive vendor from my shop and will strictly make tailor tissues and pets. At least tailors aren't damned greedy.

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ummm you might want to check out lozareth and ArthurDentOnBria's posts...they appear to be on the same server as you, and given whats been happening on Bria (BE's undercutting each other down to rediculously low prices) your idea of "respectful" may be 2-3x what some of the other BE's on your server are selling for...in this case its not so much "greed" as it is simple consumer intelligence. if you could buy meat from a hunter for 5 cpu...then you found another hunter selling meat for 15 cpu...and they could both supply all the meat you needed...are you really going to buy from the 15 cpu guy regardless of whether or not you're greedy...(and should the guy selling for 15 cpu think you're greedy just cause your buying from the other guy...)

from the sounds of it...on Bria...you have your fellow BE's to thank more than chef greed.

Message Edited by Joilhath on 07-01-2004 10:25 AM

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RancorPoker wrote:

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Cephalo wrote:
By refusing to make schematics, you are essentually demanding that the chef wait around for the BE's to harvest the necessary resources, yet because hunting isn't very productive with a CDEF pistol, you also demand that they pay ten times the normal price for those resources to compensate you for this self imposed drudgery. It's no wonder that the only thing in stock on any given chef vendor is brandy. Don't forget that schematic makers are not the only competition you must face, you also need to compete with the chef's alt character that he needs to make in order to have any hope of a well stocked chef shop.

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God, I sometimes dream of the SWG days before brandy. The chef revamp really messed things up. Sometimes I think a broken chef profession was a better tradeoff than this. Would anyone imagine how a smuggler would've reacted 5 months ago if you demanded a free muon or neutron pixie schematic? The thought never crossed my mind.

Ceph, your logic escapes me. I have invested so much to make schematic after schematic of high quality tissues (+87 and +117 Intels) available for the chef community. My additive vendor is always full and they don't sell. I even have very respectful prices. The only reasonable explaination chefs prefer schematics points to pure, uninhibited greed. Most BE's I've encountered work their butts off to keep a full stock available for purchase. The chefs would prefer to make a 95% profit instead of the measly 85% profit. After all, us BE's are only good for making trophy guildhall pets and schematics. I will never EVER sell a schematic. And I will never play chef slave in exchange for my integrity. Once, if ever, my chef tissues sell... I'll be removing my additive vendor from my shop and will strictly make tailor tissues and pets. At least tailors aren't damned greedy.

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Let me be clear that I would never suggest that anyone GIVE schematics away for free. I'm just saying that if you subtract the cost of gathering and buying the resources, which happens to be most of the cost, you are left with a fair price for the schematic that cuts into NOBODY's business. Certainly you get more net credits from goods you make from scratch, but that does not mean you make more *profit*. Making 100k creds for 10 minutes of work is nothing but profit! If you want to make major profit, don't refuse to make schematics, refuse to gather resources! Make him use HIS time, and HIS storage, and HIS credits and eliminate your overhead ENTIRELY. He's not insulting your honor by asking for a reasonably priced schematic, he's doing you a favor!

It's a perfectly feasable business model. Consultants are the most over-paid people in the world. Your client supplies the capital and the grunt work, you supply the knowledge. If you have the ability to collect resources in an efficient manner, all of that value is still there. Somebody still has to do it. Who does it is irrelevant. The selling of schematics in no way diminishes the value of resource collection.

I think the reason that chefs feel the need to seek schematics rather than finished product is that BE's, without an alt character, have to pay premium prices or spend extraordinary amounts of time collecting meat. How else could there be an advantage seen by the chef to take on all the investment, risk and dirty work onto himself? The demand simply cannot be met with finished product. On Valcyn, Chef vendors outnumber BE vendors 10 to 1, where are they going to get these tissues?

I think the real answer to this problem is for rangers to be about 10 times more efficient as they are currently in gathering meat. The price of meat would come down, they're would be more BE's to supply chefs and tailors and CH's. It only makes sense for someone to give you alot money for almost no work if there is some counterbalancing economic need. The problem is that chefs, in general, have better hunting and harvesting ability than BE's, and rangers unfortunately don't hunt, since they get almost nothing out of it for the time that they spend.