Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: Schematics!?!?!
Cephalo
Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:11 am
#53
You can adjust the number of uses on a schematic right? I find it difficult and not very much fun to come up with the materials for all this stuff. Selling schematics is easy money, and doesn't happen very often. Right now I am gathering resources, not for tissues, but for medical components for pet stims and hopfully when I'm done I'll be able to find a nice master doctor to make some schematics for me. It is everyones choice if they want to sell their resources along with their skill. As a BE, meat collection is not very efficient. Let those who are good at collecting meat collect it, and find out what your skill is really worth. I just don't understand the objection to selling schematics. Selling schematics allows people to plan their business and provide more stable service to their customers. Why should everyone have to wait around while BE's stumble around collecting their meat? I have a few crates of tissues on my vendor, but if some chef needs 10 crates, I can either send him to some other BE or help him out and make some quick money. No problem.
GFoyle
Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:43 pm
#54
A short postscript to my earlier mutterings:
By the looks of things prices are steadily dropping on Chilastra at least - there are people selling decent brandy at 100K/crate.
That said - the real money is in harvesting resources. The "raw materails calculation" given in an earlier post postualted a "resource cost" of 85K, which at that price means it's the resource producer who gets the lion's share of the profits.....
Iaido
Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:30 pm
#55
LOL my vendor sits on wanderhome, 2k outside cnet with around 150 crates of food enhancing tissues. and some clothing tissues as well.
hear the crickets? thats all i hear around my vendor,
everything priced at 40k per crate, unless its smaller than full, then its 2k per item.
probably over priced hey?
jd2134
Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:09 pm
#56
after i master Be i had someone offer my 100k for a schematic for dance tissue clothin. I said sure that sounds far and i even supply the ingedents. what i didnt tell them was the stuff i was using was about little over a month old and they have a good time finding more of it. so i made the item gave them the schematic and said enjoy. short story two days later i get a tell saying their reporting me for cheating them out of credits. Which i just give them what they wanted. i never said anything about giving them the material needed to make it
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Kevm
Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:31 pm
#57
I think what the issue ppl have is that in screwing over the other chefs (by giving them a taste of their own medicine), you've also screwed the other BE's too.
Lozareth wrote:
When chefs came here and screamed that we lower our already low prices for supplements, why weren't chefs yelling then that newbie BEs can't compete at these prices? Like I said before, I've only taken the pricing scheme chefs demanded we use for supplements and applied it to food.
Joilhath
Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:09 pm
#58
Kevm wrote:
I think what the issue ppl have is that in screwing over the other chefs (by giving them a taste of their own medicine), you've also screwed the other BE's too.
Lozareth wrote:
When chefs came here and screamed that we lower our already low prices for supplements, why weren't chefs yelling then that newbie BEs can't compete at these prices? Like I said before, I've only taken the pricing scheme chefs demanded we use for supplements and applied it to food.
No that is what he WAS doing 10/15/20k or 10/15/25 yet another BE pricing on Bria is barely any profit unless your selling in very large volume. The only chefs you have a chance of selling to are those that don't read the forums. At that price if you pay 15cpu for your meat your basically selling your floral at 5cpu. Oh wanted to add this wasn't Loz's pricing scheme before he stated he was not making tissues anymore but wasn't much higher.
Message Edited by Joilhath on 06-29-2004 10:23 AM
Okin_Sin
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:23 am
#59
Lozareth said
"When chefs came here and screamed that we lower our already low prices for supplements, why weren't chefs yelling then that newbie BEs can't compete at these prices? Like I said before, I've only taken the pricing scheme chefs demanded we use for supplements and applied it to food"
What you did was make it so that if chefs want to compete, now they HAVE to demand that BE's sell there additives for a price so cheap they can't make a descent profit. If your issue was that BE's were not getting their fair share of the profit, why would you do something to assure they will make even less in the future. You already said you have been making millions, I really don't see what your issue was. If a few "bad apple" chefs ruined it for you im sorry, but its really not a reason to try to hurt all of the BE's and Chefs on the server, not that it will be succesful, but its the attempt to do this thats in question. I'm really not sure what your motives would be.
Lozareth I really want to know what you would say to ther Chefs that bought YOUR BE additives at the old prices and still have some left. How do they compete with YOU who is now selling the finished chef product for less then you sold them the additives for.
Dsabre
Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:21 pm
#60
ArthurDentOnBria wrote:
Lozareth wrote:I decided to make it difficult as hell for him to make a profit and dropped my mediums to 17k a crate, with similar reductions on heavies and lights. It worked for awhile and he disappeared for a bit
Message Edited by Lozareth on 06-26-2004 11:02 PM
Yea, congrats on your ruthless tactics. This is why I said, that on Bria there's no longer a reason *not* to sell schematics. Makes a hell of a lot more sense to sell a schematic for 100k then to make a batch of tissues at no profit.
I agree...when it comes to the point where making a schematic is more profitable than making and selling the finished tissues...it probably is better to sell the schematic (sell not give away...).
maybe if they changed chef tissues so that how you experimented on the schematic made a difference...as it stands now...given the same ingredients, any master BE can make the same tissue (with the exception of the one day crafting patch). depending on the ingredients you may not even need to be a master...once you hit 85 or so...depending on your resources it may not be possible to hit 86...and you'll likely have 2 or 3 points leftover by the time you hit 85 anyway.
everytime BE's discuss selling/giving away tissue schematics...brandy is the only thing that is mentioned that chefs sell...I sincerely hope all BE's don't think this is the only thing chefs sell.
brandy prices can be quite high when you compare then to resource costs...but try looking at resource costs vs. prices on a lot of the other foods/drinks...in general its not even close.
having higher than needed prices on some things allows people to price others lower...take fast food places for example...guess how much that soda costs them...32 oz. drink...maybe $.30...probably less (and strangely enough a good chunk of that...is the cup itself...which explains the free refills). yet they sell em for $1.30+. then look at what it costs them to make a burger...that profit margin isn't even close.
I'm not saying all chefs price this way...and there are plenty of greedy chefs out there who will price everything high simply to make more credits...but how is this any different from the other artisan based crafters....armorsmiths...weaponsmiths...(ok arch, and tailor weren't designed to be useful for very long...and the devs know it...so I'm not counting them, and DE seems to be having the same problem). or even the docs/cm's...sure the stuff they make is worth the credits...but that doesn't mean they're making less of a profit on it.
profession interdependencies need to be reworked so that it actually matters on the quality/intelligence of your partner...a good knowledgeable BE should be able to make a better additive than someone who just finished grinding BE for their holo grind...otherwise whats the point in even having a quality rating...or allowing experimentation.
Joilhath
Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:54 pm
#61
Dsabre wrote:
profession interdependencies need to be reworked so that it actually matters on the quality/intelligence of your partner...a good knowledgeable BE should be able to make a better additive than someone who just finished grinding BE for their holo grind...otherwise whats the point in even having a quality rating...or allowing experimentation.
Yes it does need to be reworked but there is some of this already. I had a chef come to me last week because their noob BE couldn't get an 88 BSN with some very good meat and 3 trait wieghted avg floral over 900. The Chef knew it made 88's as we had discussed that's the meat I used to make the 58/88/118's I sold. As it turns out the high floral though it had a high avg had an 850 or so OQ so adding high OQ wood to bring up the OQ allowed you to make 88's.
Lozareth
Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:06 pm
#62
I've always been able the bear the ire and suffering of my competitors with remarkable ease. 
And the last of the original chefs to buy from me dropped chef the day before I started working on it, so none of the people who bought at my original prices are currently my competitors. The current flock were all drawn by the low prices.
And the last of the original chefs to buy from me dropped chef the day before I started working on it, so none of the people who bought at my original prices are currently my competitors. The current flock were all drawn by the low prices.
Lozareth
Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:07 pm
#63
And if you look at the Bria trade forum right now, I do have BEs competing with me. One is matching my price and the other is offering 1 point higher bonus supplements for just a couple extra k.
BobaFettish
Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:48 am
#64
The guy was feeling sooo generous when he said he would give me 100k for my 5 minutes of time. When i told him it would be 3 million he got mad
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As would I.....!!!
It's PPL like you who Charge Huge prices for the simplest things, that cause everything ingame to be so expensive.
500cpu - 2000cpu for bloody Synth Cloth or Fiberplast panes...
30k - 60k for a peice of Comp Armor.
PPL who Charge 3mill forSimple Components that take only a few seconds to do are the ones who make buying simple items a real hastle...!!
Fair enough if the shcematics were for 90,000 Factory Crate objects. But charging 3mill for a few small items is wrong...!!
I Honestly hope you never sell another item again & go Broke!!!
From now on, i will be selling all my Items at reasonable prices & if i can put just a few PPL like you our of work, i will be happy!
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As would I.....!!!
It's PPL like you who Charge Huge prices for the simplest things, that cause everything ingame to be so expensive.
500cpu - 2000cpu for bloody Synth Cloth or Fiberplast panes...
30k - 60k for a peice of Comp Armor.
PPL who Charge 3mill forSimple Components that take only a few seconds to do are the ones who make buying simple items a real hastle...!!
Fair enough if the shcematics were for 90,000 Factory Crate objects. But charging 3mill for a few small items is wrong...!!
I Honestly hope you never sell another item again & go Broke!!!
From now on, i will be selling all my Items at reasonable prices & if i can put just a few PPL like you our of work, i will be happy!
JayceMilam
Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:10 am
#65
You are flaming me???? Because I wanted 3 million for a crafting schematic worth 10 million to the chef??? I was askign for less than one third what he would make from the brandy he was going to make. Before you flame someone maybe you should understand the topic. He wasn't asking me for supplements, he was asking me to give away all my time and effort i spent to become a Master BE for next to nothing. This has never been about the money for me. I sell my chef additives for 20/40/60k respectively, I have a few chefs who buy from me regularly and i give them discounts for their loyalty. If someone wanted a whole run of additives I would easily sell them all 40crates for 1 million even though at 40k a crate it would be 1.6 million. So the next you think you know what you are talking about ... try again. I don't think there is any reason that I would sell a schematic, there was a reason I became a BE and it isn't to male schematics for chefs so that I make my profession virtually useless and hurt my fellow be's by allowing chefs to get our supplements for such a low price it might hurt them. Are you even a BE? By the way thanks for the kind words, but unfortunately I have not gone broke and am around 10 million credits currently, but best of luck putting people like me out of business.
Now that I think about it though maybe you are right ... It is so easy to make +88's and +89's BSN. And since meat is so cheap on Bria I guess I should charge less for my supplements. After all a schematic with 1000's units is only a few simple items.