Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: Chef wanted schematic
Spazzers wrote:
Hero,
Not to defend art but your post is about as constructive as a poke in the eye. Get past it. Move on. The issue is whether a bio-engineer, or anyone for that matter, should sell a schematic, should give a schematic away, should schematics be tradable....etc.
Spazzers,
My original post has a lot to say about whether BEs should sell a schematic. It gives a lot of information about why chefs look for schematics, and what some are willing to do to get them. It attacks no one but Art, who had it coming with his repeated attacks on the entire chef profession.
Thanks, though! I appreciate the general toneof your post. Somepeople are nicer than others.
Hero
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Ethics are not a personal and private thing...lol, where did you get that.
Ethics is what allows people to co-exist.
Think about it... if I gave schematics to everyoneon the server, then the BE selling stuff would be cheated. You are describing that as a personal choice? I am talking about a world where we live by the golden rule. The golden rule does not allow you to do things in total disreguard to others.
Lol, ethics is a personal choice 
On your server, you are either going to have a dog eat dog situation, or one of professional respect. Which would you prefer... and how much does it cost to buy you off?
Hmm *looks down and notices furiku is on Bria*
Ok, I'll call your bluff. How would you like to sell me a brandy schematic for 50k? I just moved into a PA and city where there is a novice chef grinding away, primarily so he can supply his pvp brothers with brandy. Just this morning he was begging for people to use his components and food for uxp. I'm sure he would jump through a wall at an opportunity to make me some medium additives and alcohol if I supply everything else and we can split the bounty. I just need a little time to harvest some gemstone and fruits and we're all set. Deal?
furiku wrote:
Personally, I won't pay even a master over 50k for a schematic, if even that, because I simply can't afford it right now. I've busted my ass to find the resources needed myself, AS WELL AS the resources I need for my food.
Just out of curiosity how much does meat go for on your servers? 20cpu, 30cpu for the high OQ/PE stuff? How much does flora sell for? 3cpu for decent stuff? So assuming 20cpu for the meat thats 400k there, 3cpu for the flora thats 240k for a total of 640k resource costs (we'll call this low). Not too sure on factory times but I think its like almost 3 days to do the BE run, but even at that its only 4 or 5 more k for factory maint, and another 2 or 3k tops for power so we'll call it a nice even 650k total cost to make a full factory run. I'm gonna call 50k per crate a fair price, though I may get flamed for this later, putting the gross earnings for a full factory run at 2mil, and a net earning of 1.35mil. So at this rate you are charging 1350creds per use of the schematic. Now to be fair here the chef DID gather all the resources, and he WILL be using his own factories to make this, so you don't even need to own one or worry about getting more. So I recomend giving the chefs a nice 25% discount on the cost of the schematic.
1000 creds per use sounds about fair to me, though you may have to adjust this for your own servers economy.
ArthurDentOnBria wrote:
Hmm *looks down and notices furiku is on Bria*
Ok, I'll call your bluff. How would you like to sell me a brandy schematic for 50k? I just moved into a PA and city where there is a novice chef grinding away, primarily so he can supply his pvp brothers with brandy. Just this morning he was begging for people to use his components and food for uxp. I'm sure he would jump through a wall at an opportunity to make me some medium additives and alcohol if I supply everything else and we can split the bounty. I just need a little time to harvest some gemstone and fruits and we're all set. Deal?
furiku wrote:
Personally, I won't pay even a master over 50k for a schematic, if even that, because I simply can't afford it right now. I've busted my ass to find the resources needed myself, AS WELL AS the resources I need for my food.
Actually, I am on starsider, but I would be willing to pay for schematics as long as you provide the resources. And my price is, and always will be....2k per schematic. Keep in mind, if you want to make 1000 casks of bio-enhanced brandy, you need 7 schematics. So that would be14,000 total. But that is what I personally think of as a fair price for the 5 minutes it would take me to do that...provided I don't supply any resources myself.
- 20,000 Cerial
- 150,000 Crystaline Gemstone
- 2000 Trim
- 20,000 berries
- 20,000 Fruit
- 15,000 Water
- 1000 Additives
And once he is done with all that....he will need more brandy. It is a consumable resource that will need to be replenished. So he will either come back to me or buy it from another chef. It isn't like a vehicle where some you buy one and that should last you for a long time.
1000 brandies is just a drop in the bucket of what chefs have to produce to meet domands. I won't be taking anything away from any chefs.
And that is one thing that bio-engineers have to understand...1000 additives is a drop in the bucket. If you can't provide the meat or the meat is too expensive, fine....sell us the schematics. We will go through it in a week (or less) and come back for more.
ArthurDentOnBria wrote:
Hmm *looks down and notices furiku is on Bria*
Ok, I'll call your bluff. How would you like to sell me a brandy schematic for 50k? I just moved into a PA and city where there is a novice chef grinding away, primarily so he can supply his pvp brothers with brandy. Just this morning he was begging for people to use his components and food for uxp. I'm sure he would jump through a wall at an opportunity to make me some medium additives and alcohol if I supply everything else and we can split the bounty. I just need a little time to harvest some gemstone and fruits and we're all set. Deal?
Sure thing, Mr Dent. I'd love to make you a schematic. Send me a forum PM when you're done collecting resources and I'll get back to youwith my ingame name so we can get in touch.
Furiku
That was an excellent contribution to the debate, it seems that quite deservedly you have found yourself a deal as well as a contact
What's more you show I think why BEs should be making an effort to work with and help Chefs, most of whom are thoroughly deserving, but a few of whom have come across rather unfortunately in recent posts
Eaca wrote:so we'll call it a nice even 650k total cost to make a full factory run.
I'm gonna call 50k per crate a fair price,
putting the gross earnings for a full factory run at 2mil, and a net earning of 1.35mil.
So at this rate you are charging 1350creds per use of the schematic. Now to be fair here the chef DID gather all the resources, and he WILL be using his own factories to make this, so you don't even need to own one or worry about getting more. So 1000 creds per use sounds about fair to me, though you may have to adjust this for your own servers economy.
So, You do all the work, you make 1350 per use of schematic. I do all the work and you expect to make 1000 per use of the schematic? You need to lay off the drugs.
Since this debate started, I now refuse to sell resources to a BE unless they give me a 1000 use schematic (I bundle them and sell them to Chefs w/ the neccessary meat and flora). It's not that I need their schematics to move my product, it's that I want to ensure I'm not selling to BE's like ArthurDentonBria and Greenstock.