Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: macro help
Sinda wrote:
vanguardistaken wrote:
i dont want to offend anyone but at the same time i dont have the time that others have to play
You don't want to offend anyone, yet you just said you don't care what others think about AFKing - is that correct?
i just wish to gain some xp while i take care of other things in my life. i have been playing since day one (day two actually cause we all know how day one went) and i am still not a master of anything,
And once you get to master, what then?Do you think this game is all about goals rather than the journey? The beautiful part about SWG is that it doesn't really matter how much you play. Newbies can group with Masters. The game is designed to favor the casual gamer, and yet we still have the powergamers (and the wannabees) who think the only way they can play is if they macro themselves up to Master. The sad part is that if that's how they get there, they're going to end up with a worthless Master who doesn't have a clue how to combine flourishes, time their effects or what dances go with which songs. They'll just be a newbie novice with a Master title.
Maybe it sends a message when we see that most of the Macro'd Master Dancers disappear from the game after reaching their goal. What is easily gained is never valued as much as that which we work for.
but i am just stating that not all afk people are doing it to take away from your acheivments, some of us may be doing it to be a little better in the limited time we have to play,
If you are gaining skills without playing the game, you are cheapening the experience for everyone. Whether you choose to accept this fact or not, this is amultiplayer game, meaning there are thousands of other people who are playing too, all of our actions affect others, and all of them want to gain skill. What does it do to the other dancers if people see you (and people like you) gaining skills while you're asleep or taking your kids to school functions? If you can gain skill without actually playing the game, why can't they? Do you see where that line of reasoning takes you? Can you understand the resentment it creates among non-entertainers?
i am sorry if it makes u unhappy and i apologise, but if you meet me in game i ask that you dont judge me on one action until you get to know me
I'm not judging you at all. I just hearyou say thatyou don't care what anyone thinks andeven though you know AFK macroing makes people mad you're still going to do it. That doesn't convince me that you understand the concept of 'multiplayer'.
If you want to macro in your home or your PA hall, nobody can stop you. But the day you macro in front of the entrance in a public cantina, you can expect to have a large pet parked on top of you, be booted from groups and/dueledand ridiculed while you are away from your keyboard. If none of that bothers you, I have to ask why you're not playing a singleplayer game instead of Massive Multiplayer.
I could send you some really nifty Word macros you could run that would do the same thing, but it wouldn't teach you how to use Word.
Okay, I am new to swg and have started my novice entertainer hoping to be a dancer. In fact I haven't even really been playing enough to an "afker" or anything else. I have been playing MMOs for a little while now, however, and I have seen this kind of thing before. Sinda, there is a flipside to your argument whether you wish to acknowledge it or not: yes it is a multiplayer game which also means that there are gonna be a lot of people doing things that a whole lot of other people don't like. Happens anywhere and anytime a large group of people start doing the same thing...so even if they take the mechanic out of afk macroing(which I don't even know if that's realistically possible or not, I seriously don't)there are still going to be folks doing stuff that's gonna make you, me, and everyone else angry or frustrated.
Oh, and yes you are judging him. You are judging him to be stupid when all he did was ask for some help on usinga game mechanic, and twisting his words at the beginning to suit your need to vent. He was giving a reason, excuse, or whatever you want to call it as to why he wants to use his time and money the way he wants.
Be angry if you want to, I don't care and it is at least entertaining...but be honest about trashing someone for their gameplay
well said. i didn't see the original poster come onto a roleplaying or casual gaming thread and rip into their playstyle.
Thank you Gharvi, thats exactly how I felt about Sinda's "comments"
Sinda, perhaps you do not realize that this is a multiplayer game and while some people like to sit back and enjoy the journey, other people are indeed more goal-oriented,\. Hence the word "powergamer" is a common concept and an accepted practice by the people who build multiplayer games. When you say things like
"If you are gaining skills without playing the game, you are cheapening the experience for everyone." You are indeed judging the original poster Sinda.
Then you say "If you want to macro in your home or your PA hall, nobody can stop you. But the day you macro in front of the entrance in a public cantina, you can expect to have a large pet parked on top of you, be booted from groups and/dueledand ridiculed while you are away from your keyboard." That sure sounds petty and vindictive response for a person who is only macroing afk an entertainer skill. In fact that is harassment and griefing. Quite the response. In fact please let me know when and where you perform so I can make it a point to do just that. Your comments suggest a rudeness and offense much greater then any simple afk macroer. But that is just my opinion.
Gharvi wrote:
Okay, I am new to swg and have started my novice entertainer hoping to be a dancer. In fact I haven't even really been playing enough to an "afker" or anything else.
Before I deal with your comments, then let me welcome you to SWG entertainment. I urge you to take some time to read what has been said on this board, and over on the main board, about AFK Macroing entertainers -- it's easy to do a Search on "AFK Macro", then maybe you'll know where I'm coming from.
I have been playing MMOs for a little while now, however, and I have seen this kind of thing before. Sinda, there is a flipside to your argument whether you wish to acknowledge it or not: yes it is a multiplayer game which also means that there are gonna be a lot of people doing things that a whole lot of other people don't like.
Very true - however there are also things which players do that are unintended consequences of game design. I was a long-time UOL player, and it was not uncommon for players to use 3rd party macros to mine ore while AFK. Now, AFK crafting or mining is a little less objectionable (IMO) than AFK macroing something like "entertainment" (where is the entertainment in a zombie bot?) but nonetheless, Origins ultimately (pun intended) changed the game to prevent AFK macroing. SOE is working on doing the same thing. So, to answer your point about people doing things other people don't like, it does matter when the game developers themselves don't like it. It will be stopped.
Happens anywhere and anytime a large group of people start doing the same thing...so even if they take the mechanic out of afk macroing(which I don't even know if that's realistically possible or not, I seriously don't)there are still going to be folks doing stuff that's gonna make you, me, and everyone else angry or frustrated.
I've been around MMOGs for over 10 years and through at least 6 different games. I've learned how to avoid the griefers -- in SWG, I get lairs stolen all the time, but it has yet to really upset me. There are a number of non-griefing reasons it can happen and it IS part of the game design. On the other hand, when the cantinas are overrun with AFK zombie-bots who have given the entire entertainment profession the image of lazy, mindless exploiters whose Master titles are meaningless, that DOES affect me. It affects you and every other entertainer here, as well.
Oh, and yes you are judging him. You are judging him to be stupid when all he did was ask for some help on usinga game mechanic, and twisting his words at the beginning to suit your need to vent. He was giving a reason, excuse, or whatever you want to call it as to why he wants to use his time and money the way he wants.
Oh, please! I've heard that "it's my $15 a month" excuse so much it's not even worth arguing about anymore - it's a cheap, sad excuse to be selfish and not pay any attention to how a person's gameplay affects other players. ALL of us pay our $15/month, and your 15 bucks does not give you the right to do things that give my profession a bad image. And if you will look, I never once said he was "stupid" -- you are the one twisting words, now, not me.
Be angry if you want to, I don't care and it is at least entertaining...but be honest about trashing someone for their gameplay
I'm real curious where you think I'm trashing anyone. I have valid points, and I can ably defend the points I made. I don't need to fall back on lame "it's my money" excuses or claim I don't care what other people think -- I do care, very much. I want a Dancer profession that is valuable to the game and respected by other classes. Those two conditions do NOT exist at this time, and by far the greatest share of the blame for that situation rests with the AFK zombie-bots.
DiusFidus wrote:
Sinda, perhaps you do not realize that this is a multiplayer game and while some people like to sit back and enjoy the journey, other people are indeed more goal-oriented,\. Hence the word "powergamer" is a common concept and an accepted practice by the people who build multiplayer games. When you say things like
"If you are gaining skills without playing the game, you are cheapening the experience for everyone." You are indeed judging the original poster Sinda.
I'm judging his/her gameplay by expressing my opinion - however if you will read more carefully you will note that I did not sit in judgement of his/her character. He/shemay be a very nice person, I don't know. But you're trying to tell me I can't have an opinion about behaviors that negatively impact the profession I've been playing since release day? If I can't havean opinion, why can you?
Then you say "If you want to macro in your home or your PA hall, nobody can stop you. But the day you macro in front of the entrance in a public cantina, you can expect to have a large pet parked on top of you, be booted from groups and/dueledand ridiculed while you are away from your keyboard." That sure sounds petty and vindictive response for a person who is only macroing afk an entertainer skill. In fact that is harassment and griefing. Quite the response. In fact please let me know when and where you perform so I can make it a point to do just that. Your comments suggest a rudeness and offense much greater then any simple afk macroer. But that is just my opinion.
You don't seem to get it when you diminish the impact of her behavior with excuses like "only macroing afk".Why can't Medics and Scouts and Creature Handlers AFK macro? If dancers can do it and get away with it, let'smacroALL professions. That way none of us actually have to play the game. In fact, why have players at all? Let's petition SOE to remove all players from the game, substitute NPCs who can do all the macroing for us, and we can just check in once in a while to see what level our NPC has risen to. Hey, now that sounds like fun, doesn't it? Is it worth $15 a month then? Maybe to some people, but as I said, I can write one heck of a Word macro for the same thrill.
We're off to a great start down that road when the cantinas are full of charcters who are not being operated by a real live player, who never interact or talk to anyone or play the game. What is the difference between a long-term AFK macroer and an NPC, exactly? Name one difference, other than the fact that the NPC doesn't pay $15 a month. Oh, I can name one - an NPC doesn't give his fellow dancers a bad name, though they both turn cantinas into funeral parlors.
sinda what makes you think i am going for master anyway? i thought it was pretty clear that i stated i just wanted my character to develop some other skills. i am already a well into smuggler, and several other skill trees, and have 'enjoyed' the journey, but at the same time i happen to play at an awkward time of day when there just arent that many people online and cant join some of the large entertainer groups that i see out there on the weekend, thus making my 'journey' into the dancing realm a little longer road than most people have to take. if you really want to sit there and judge, and yes thats what you are doing, maybe you should take a look at yourself first. anyone who has the time to sit there and pick apart someones post line by line may be just a little to **edit** for me to want to hang out with anyway. as far as being a power gamer goes, you really should know what you are talking about before you open your mouth. go ahead and sit on your high horse with all of your other holier than though, judgemental, freakishly serious fellow gamers and bash me all you want, i dont really care, i just asked for some help on this post, i didnt ask for every uptight 'roleplayer' to come out and give there two sense on me when they dont even know me.
Sinda....how bout you just shut up? 
you're posts are just annoying and you seem to have some greater than thou attitude....YOU are not the ONLY person who plays this game...mind your own business for a change.
I think we just found out where the afkers go while they're not playing, to the forums!
haha,I am not an afk macro botnor have I ever been one....I just see no reason for so many ppl to care about other ppl's business so much. I mean posting on this board about this subject isn't going to change their minds about being afk.....so why bother?
Ididn't say anything about her opinion...it's the delivery of the message that is annoying---acting like everyone who disagrees with her is a moron who needs to be educated. I could be wrong but I think the boards are for opinions....and everyone has the right to their own opinion.
----and before you start flaming over my earlier comments I reiterate....I never said anything about her opinion.....just the way it is expressed seems to be rude and condescending in every one of her posts.
Try this as a repeating alias:
Dance: /startdance popular2; flourish 5; /stopdance; /Dance;
I think I helped all you entertainer robots enough now.
The sad part is that if that's how they get there, they're going to end up with a worthless Master who doesn't have a clue how to combine flourishes, time their effects or what dances go with which songs.
can you send me a macro for those features?
meeuki wrote:
The sad part is that if that's how they get there, they're going to end up with a worthless Master who doesn't have a clue how to combine flourishes, time their effects or what dances go with which songs.
can you send me a macro for those features?
Sure. It's easy:
/join
/pause 10
/duel
/pause 30
/release