Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: BE 'advanced' guide is a joke
grelgen
Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:44 pm
#27
Hey Tal-N, long time no read.
I loved:
"I'd like to start with a very large thank you to Sumorex, Tal-N, Armok, KillerCRS, Grelgen, Plageron and Talthazar for coming up with details and confirmation for what I've tried to co-alate."
Just say you had no original input.
I hated:
"The general belief is that by preference special 1 comes from aggression and special 2 from psychology. Please note that they do not have to come from the same DNA slots. Multiple copies of an attack seem to cause a preference for that attack. Slots lacking specials seem to shift the specials off to other slots but do not make it definite that an attack will come through. Invalid specials (Area-Of-Effect such as plague strike, poison spray, open wounds) seem to express themselves as empty specials. By this I mean that if an invalid specials is picked for the special attack slot will come through as missing a special for that slot. This can mean you are likely to get no special for 1 or 2, as appropriate."
Just say you dont know.
While we are in the mood for rehashing old BS, anyone remember Verhoffin?
MissileToad
Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:57 am
#28
grelgen wrote:
While we are in the mood for rehashing old BS, anyone remember Verhoffin?
Heh, still trying to forget... 
cwhippie
Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:23 am
#29
**edit**?
They should have jsut linked to the FAQ that is allready on these forums, cause that is all that poor excuse for a feature did.
Perhaps the Dev's actually know less about how it works than we do... it is sure looking that way.
Findywen Tanaburs
Master BE, Eclipse
Kevm
Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:50 pm
#30
Well, it seems the the BE dev is also the lead dev for the Jedi Revamp. While this gives me hope that the Jedi revamp will be very interesting (since I think we have the most complex interesting crafting system), but I think that since he's working on that, he was neverscheduled any time to give us what we were promised as part of the BE Guide.
surreal2000
Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:57 pm
#31
This guide looks like a cut-and-paste from a few forum posts. Very disjointed. I am not impressed.
RonninOtnemem
Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:46 pm
#32
Kevm wrote:
Well, it seems the the BE dev is also the lead dev for the Jedi Revamp. While this gives me hope that the Jedi revamp will be very interesting (since I think we have the most complex interesting crafting system), but I think that since he's working on that, he was neverscheduled any time to give us what we were promised as part of the BE Guide.
/bah!
Irxox
Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:31 pm
#33
I'm just trying to imagine how bad everyone would be screaming if they didn't even copy/paste Mirrl's guide from the BE FAQ.
Overall, I didn't expect much, so I'm not that disappointed. It's better than the Home Decorating Friday Features. And has more pretty pictures than any player-created advanced guide.... Good for newbs. And VERY VERY good for non-BE's. If anything, the fact that it's TEN PAGES LONG makes me smile.BE is not a light advanced profession. Sure, all you need is around 300k of meat and a crate of muon gold to master BE, but it takes a lot of practice to actually figure it out. I'm just glad everyone else knows that too, now.
It's the absolute best Novice Bioengineer guide I have seen.
Just for giggles, I checked out the player-created advanced guides. (Yes, I know. TH and Talth made our Friday Feature guide) We BE's have a full website listed!!!! The following professions don't even have*any* advanced guide listed: Architect, (Artisan), Bounty Hunter, (Brawler), Carbineer, Combat Medic, Commando, Doctor, Fencer, (Jedi), (Marksman), Pikeman, Pistoleer, Politician, Smuggler, Squad Leader, and Weaponsmith.
Now, I'm not saying they couldn't have done better. Just likeevery other personthat makes pets, I'd absolutely LOVE to know what Level my creature will be before the final combine. But I'd rather see that fixed in the game, rather than put into a guide or spreadsheet, and sending me calculator-grabbing each time I take a sample.
I'm just saying... hey, they tried. Don't flame them because they didn't reaveal the Secrets of the Devs in a newbie guide. Yes, I know that's what we thought TH said he'd deliver. But... besides that, I'm happy its there.
Nemthang
Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:56 pm
#34
I think the main problem with the guide is that, as others have pointed out, it is intended for the general SWG population. Its intended audience is definitely not accomplished master bio engineers.
Plus, it is almost completely plagarized from this forum - but we knew that already.
Tal, I see where you are coming from, but as a guide for the masses that don't know squat about BE, it's a good advanced guide. For the crusty old salts among us, well...
Kurrat
Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:21 am
#35
I don't mind it, just for the fact I don't want some holo BE making pets that have taken me months to learn.
I'm having fun trying to figure it out.
I'm having fun trying to figure it out.
Laetitia-Casta
Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:36 am
#36
For what its worth, the BE Dev is also in charge of the Pikeman stuff and we have heard NOTHING from him in 8 months....
Pikeman will probobally be broken well past the SE....because the "magical combat pass" to fix everything is probobally just going to be postponed again and agin and again.
Lets face it our Dev SUCKS ASS
Pikeman will probobally be broken well past the SE....because the "magical combat pass" to fix everything is probobally just going to be postponed again and agin and again.
Lets face it our Dev SUCKS ASS
Kevm
Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:56 am
#37
Laetitia-Casta wrote:
Lets face it our Dev SUCKS ASS
i'm not willing to jump on the guy like that. I think its more of too much work on the plate and too little resources. This guy is in charge of at least Pikeman, BE, and the Jedi Revamp, and who knows what else. That's obviously more work than just for 1 person.
DataOutlaw
Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:00 am
#38
Kevm wrote:
Laetitia-Casta wrote:
Lets face it our Dev SUCKS ASS
i'm not willing to jump on the guy like that. I think its more of too much work on the plate and too little resources. This guy is in charge of at least Pikeman, BE, and the Jedi Revamp, and who knows what else. That's obviously more work than just for 1 person.
I am quite happy to jump on the "Our dev sucks" bandwagon. Because he does. I am a Software Development Project Manager where I work and I have one (of four) developers just like him. He does fantastic work and can solve almost any problem but he never finshes anything he starts... When I want a proejct done right, I have this guy work on it for 2 days to solve all the technical issues then hand it off to someone else to finish and QA it.
If they really do have this guy workong on BE, Pikeman, and Jedi, it explains a lot and SHAME ON SOE for it!
Kevm
Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:04 am
#39
I know he's our Dev, the Pikemen have said he's theirs as well, and I know for a fact he's the lead for the Jedi Revamp. So yeah...IMHO, too much work for one person.
DataOutlaw wrote:
Kevm wrote:
Laetitia-Casta wrote:
Lets face it our Dev SUCKS ASS
i'm not willing to jump on the guy like that. I think its more of too much work on the plate and too little resources. This guy is in charge of at least Pikeman, BE, and the Jedi Revamp, and who knows what else. That's obviously more work than just for 1 person.
I am quite happy to jump on the "Our dev sucks" bandwagon. Because he does. I am a Software Development Project Manager where I work and I have one (of four) developers just like him. He does fantastic work and can solve almost any problem but he never finshes anything he starts... When I want a proejct done right, I have this guy work on it for 2 days to solve all the technical issues then hand it off to someone else to finish and QA it.
If they really do have this guy workong on BE, Pikeman, and Jedi, it explains a lot and SHAME ON SOE for it!