Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: New top 5 issues
jasonargile
Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:13 am
#287
My top 5 i think would work out well.
1 Bounty Hunter should be a basic starting class.
My suggestion is drop the marksmen reqirements and the scouting reqirements. This frees up points to alow what ever kind of hunter you want to Be.Minor tweaks to the existing tree would hardly even be nessasary, tho proly apriciated, other than noob wep cert's.
2 Non jedi bountys.
My suggestion is put a standard low end fee offered by the empire for all overt rebel kills and vise versa from rebels. no termanal needed. that would greatly increase the PvP aspect of a BH and you would have fewer BH's whos sole pourpse in life is hunting Jedi. Jedi hunting should be reserved for the best of the best hunters, instead of beeing the main focus of EVERY BH out there.
3 Stealth system.
my suggestionyou could run it off the existing camo cert just add %inability to target astealth opponent. or if thats too hard to code in justremove the auto targetreturn attack when attacked by acamoedopponent and make aquire target by hand.
Or failing that just make them harder to hit acrost the board. a back handed dodge increase.
4 More stun weps.
5 bring them back alive missions.
My suggestion is npc hunts where when you find the mark you have to bring his body back for more money. instead of killing him you bring him back chained up following you like a pet.
the following is just my reasoning behind all this.
Aquick look at what a BH is.
ABH is any one who choses to hunt people for money!
Skill as a bounty hunter was not defined as who can take a Jedi... but as who has the biggest bank acount.
Sniper's, creature handlers, dancer/assasins and hand to hand fighters, Droid users, pistol user's and people you just weren't shure what they did.
Example greedo... this kid was as basic as basic gets no marksmen here. no way was this kid ever running around in the wild learning to skin things. just a kid starting a new job.
In the Star Wars Univers bounty hunters were every thing and every one. the best and the worst out there. We would see REAL bounty hunters if the points were free to do other things as we chose.
That is to say less of the cookie cutter fetts. And lets be honest the game currently encourages Fett wanabeism.
One of the hardest most interesting things to do as a BH is get madalorian armor... why???
How many BH's in the movie/books/comics wore that armor?? the forum is full of people who want a wrist flame throwerand rocket combo. mostly because they are mad they cant be more fett like. This doesn't eliminate that just opens up other things aswell.
i also suggest placeing a elite master marksmen profesion a any wepon any where kinda soldier.
What fett was. He coulduse any thing,find any one killany thingany one. and it seems like that what most of the complainingis about BH's seem to feel they should be more like fett. i hope this helps kill some of that ( pardon the expression ) munchkinism and brings a little more RP to the bounty hunter prof.
eukeBounty hunter in training.
never stop learning.
Shaolin_Tiki
Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:37 pm
#289
"That is to say less of the cookie cutter fetts. And lets be honest the game currently encourages Fett wanabeism.
One of the hardest most interesting things to do as a BH is get madalorian armor... why???
How many BH's in the movie/books/comics wore that armor?? the forum is full of people who want a wrist flame throwerand rocket combo. mostly because they are mad they cant be more fett like. This doesn't eliminate that just opens up other things aswell. "
I generally dont post on the forums so please bear with me on this one here...Jason goes on and says that we cant have Fett "wanabe's"...problem is...most ppl want to be Mandalorians...not Fett...and yeah...i agree it'd be a bit of a drag to see everyone...or at least all master BH, Commando, SL and Ranger's...running around in it....like...oh i dont know...comp armor?
But as far as saying "how many bh's in the movies/books/comics wore that armor" we already know the answer to this one...a select few...but we also know the Dev's answer to this question when it comes to continuity to the books/movies...there is none! Last check the games takes place between eps 4 and 5...and lasttime i checked the movies there were only a handfull of jedi...Luke, Vader, Yoda, The Emperor and...if you want to get technical...Leia for being FS.
But that doesn't stop the devs from adding what...there are at least a dozen master jedi on my server. So if you're looking for continuity in this game...dont...it's gone...has been since week 2 of launch when they nerf'd BH and made Master BH one of the weakest professions around. So when you hear ppl asking for wrist flame throwers, rocket launchers and Mando to name a few it's because we're a crippled profession...and i know some of u will say that you can take a jedi solo...but i say it's because they're either a pawdy or unbuffed...or in most cases...because you have a complimenting profession with your BH skills...ie pistoleer or tka.
So dont fool youself into believing you can take a jedi of any great skill (knight or master), let alone stand your ground...because we can't...hence the need for the help in terms of armor and equipment.
This games gone from "An Empire Divided" to "SWG..Jedi's Run Amuck". I love this game and have been a Master BH for what i even consider to be way to long...but i love being a BH too much to just surrender what i work'd so hard for...and no i'm not one of the noob BH's who didn't have to do scout...and i master'd w/o the lovely aid of a bike to do inv. I guess my long winded point is...should we have mando...maybe not...but if there gonna make jedi near impossible to kill and only get stronger w/time we need a little help here...and i dont hunt jedi fyi...i've lost interest...i dont waist my time doing missions for 15k when there are missions to be had for 30k+...because i see myself as a true BH...i work for the love of money...not killing (read as getting a group together to kill the uber, dev beloved) Jedi.
anyway...thats my 2 cents worth...hope i didn't waist too many ppls time...just had to get that off my chest...oh...and a little PS to all the jedi out there who will bring up the point that Mando armor wont help and shouldn't be LS resistant...it should be...you can point out the jango fett decapitation all you want...but i saw a post a while back and laughed...it said something to the effect that theneck band for mandalorian armor was no match for the ways of the force...lol...anyway...take care all fellow BH
Shaolin Tiki
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Terrick_Barradda
Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:48 am
#290
Fast Blast - perhaps a delay effect?
BH Carbine - perhaps a stun damage carbine? They have rilfes and pistols that do stun, why no carbines?
Better missions and contacts - Increased MBH payouts. More story driven contacts. ex - contacts in starports and cantinas (not spynet ops), kind of like a local contact on the planets, you could develop a network of informants over time.
CrespoOfBria
Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:56 am
#291
Holy GOD!!! This has the most pages on a post i'v seen. I thought my 60 replies and 3 pages was alot!!!
Parador
Sun Oct 10, 2004 6:02 pm
#292
I just want to hunt a Jedi. I don't care if you never fix anything else, fix the "target not online bug" The sad thing is I've gotten so mad about this that whenever I get the bug I send /tells to the Jedi and I call them exploiters and then a whole bunch of trash talking gets started. Why have I invested so much time into a game that is broken a year and a half after launch? The Jedi are laughing at me 'cause I can't hunt them, and it makes me so mad. I'm going to tell as many people as I can to not buy this game because it's broken. It's more broken now then ever.
Obo-hi
Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:03 pm
#293
duke-nukem wrote:
Bounty Hunters need more special protections and should have special armor as well as special weapons. Since being a bounty hunter takes so many skill points we should be self sufficiant.
Ack! BH is not a defensive profession!
All we need is to be able to sustain a constant tempo of effective attacks and possibly a little better burst run bonus, and we wouldn't need any more defenses than we allready have.
Eenee
Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:17 am
#294
So we don't need any more defense against a Jedi than 0 defense? I have never seen a BH take out a Jedi by himself. I have seen a group take out a Jedi (that's usually the way BH hunt now). Out of that group, half of them were incap when the fight was over. Doesn't matter how much you get paid for a Jedi kill, they will still kill you first unless they are just terrible at it. It's pathetic that a bounty hunter (a loner profession) has to make nice and group with 10 other folks just to take out a mark.
KithSyn
Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:54 am
#295
Parador wrote....
"The Jedi are laughing at me 'cause I can't hunt them, and it makes me so mad. I'm going to tell as many people as I can to not buy this game because it's broken. It's more broken now then ever."
Sorry, Parador, that is where I must correct you. The BH profession is in a lot better shape in several ways than before. The missions aren't near as buggy and you can actually hunt SOME Jedi.....the ones who haven't used the logon/logoff exploit or if you catch them as they first log on....or the ones that don't know about it or refuse to cheat. I remember there was atime when just about ALL Jedi missions/droids were broke and there was no hunting of jedi. So no, the game (bh prof) is not worse off than before.
I agree that hunting Jedi is great and the online bug is bad for the game. I think I've submitted 40 bugs about the online bug on my own. 
But I think the game will be improved substantially with JTL and Combat Balance - it seems they have been concentrating their efforts in these areas, and I HOPE it works out.
Cyberon
Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:15 am
#296
Okay, heres the deal, i know of many bountyhunters that go out of their way to make sure that they only hunt Jedi not on their own faction. I.e Rebel after Imperials and Imperials after Rebels, so why not make the missions on a Jedi show his Faction alignment. Making it easier for the Bountyhunter to choose a mission. And it should be on special taps on the terminal: Rebel / Imperial / Neutral
ThirdJEM
Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:48 pm
#298
I've got a couple issues:
One being combat revamp, I sure hope that when you say they have added units and that the JTL team will "not be needed" that they will be working on it anyway not the next expansion... because the NUMBER ONE ISSUE for me anyway is:
We need to be able to fight... as it is right now, ranged fighting = burstrun from melee and hope he doesnt' catch you...
The non-revamp issue for me... or my number one issue if the revamp fixes ranged PvP is:
Mission Payouts:
Jedi pay outs should be near 1mil creds. There are enough Jedi out there, they can deal with being hunted a little, it will help continuity, and will allow BH's to actually make money hunting them in groups.
NPC missions need to be around 50-200k in various degrees of difficulty. I can do one round of Janta missions on dant =60k in the time it would take me just to get to my marks planet, nevermind actually killing him. So bumping up mission pay outs will not hurt the game economics, already Fencer/TK's and other uber classes make millions and get to bid on some pretty nice things like BH armor on the trade forums. Would be nice if I could afford to bid on that stuff )
So that's it for me, if I could fight, take part in my content w/o losing credits, and have enough money to take part in the economy I'll be a happy BH.
Oh and someone might want to head off the FD thing, if BH's become something to be feared, FD'ing will become a problem. DO NOT TAKE IT OUT! and if possible leave it in general PvP, last thing smuggler needs is to lose a working skill. But maybe make it possible to DB a FD'd mark, or just make it impossible for those with Jedi blocks to FD. Just something to think about.
One being combat revamp, I sure hope that when you say they have added units and that the JTL team will "not be needed" that they will be working on it anyway not the next expansion... because the NUMBER ONE ISSUE for me anyway is:
We need to be able to fight... as it is right now, ranged fighting = burstrun from melee and hope he doesnt' catch you...
The non-revamp issue for me... or my number one issue if the revamp fixes ranged PvP is:
Mission Payouts:
Jedi pay outs should be near 1mil creds. There are enough Jedi out there, they can deal with being hunted a little, it will help continuity, and will allow BH's to actually make money hunting them in groups.
NPC missions need to be around 50-200k in various degrees of difficulty. I can do one round of Janta missions on dant =60k in the time it would take me just to get to my marks planet, nevermind actually killing him. So bumping up mission pay outs will not hurt the game economics, already Fencer/TK's and other uber classes make millions and get to bid on some pretty nice things like BH armor on the trade forums. Would be nice if I could afford to bid on that stuff )
So that's it for me, if I could fight, take part in my content w/o losing credits, and have enough money to take part in the economy I'll be a happy BH.
Oh and someone might want to head off the FD thing, if BH's become something to be feared, FD'ing will become a problem. DO NOT TAKE IT OUT! and if possible leave it in general PvP, last thing smuggler needs is to lose a working skill. But maybe make it possible to DB a FD'd mark, or just make it impossible for those with Jedi blocks to FD. Just something to think about.
Kakherot
Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:33 am
#299
Cyberon wrote:
Okay, heres the deal, i know of many bountyhunters that go out of their way to make sure that they only hunt Jedi not on their own faction. I.e Rebel after Imperials and Imperials after Rebels, so why not make the missions on a Jedi show his Faction alignment. Making it easier for the Bountyhunter to choose a mission?
Because, from a roleplay standpoint, the empire and the BH guilds don't care which faction the jedi is aligned with. The empire wants them all dead, and BH guild only puts out bounties that are paid for by other people.