Bio Engineer Archive

Yeah, I was asked for these left and right last weekend. Two people wanted them for free, since they "cost me nothing" and one guy offered me 5K for my time. I am still haggling with another. Honestly I think I am going to charge 300K as that is 30% of the profit I would have made selling the full run, but with fairly little effort on my part. I am pretty sure asking and holding to that price will get me a lot of flack, but honestly, who cares if you get flack?

Selling schematics does devalue the end product for everyone in the economy, and I realize that. However, I feel that there are always going to be people who choose to give it away for free or practically so, and there are always going to be people who would ratherrun all of the subs themselves. Plus I am up to my ears in orders anyway, so if someoneis willingto pay me 300c per schematic stack, well I make some money, they can get their product going, and the retard selling them for 10K loses a chance to devalue the market more than I did.

Also just to add a quick note, its not that I'm not willing to buy crates of Broad-spectrum Nutrients from BE's, I'm not trying to get schematics because I want to cut my costs. I want to get schematics because I can't find a single BE on Sunrunner that supplies crates of Broad-spectrum Nutrients in quantity, thus through desperation I'm having to harvest the resources myself and find a BE to make me a schematic, which I'm willing to pay them 150K for.

Message Edited by Beech on 03-02-2004 02:05 PM

Beech,

It's always the person without the skills, and wanting to get them with no skill point expenditure, that is quick to "price" those skills. We're not talking about the value of 2 min of labor, we're talking about the value of a 1k schematic of a particular product.

Question: if selling schematics is such a good business to be in,then why aren't you doing it yourself?

P.S. I'm sorry you are not able to find a BE on sunrunner. I hope you find a good one.

Message Edited by ArthurDentOnBria on 03-02-2004 12:07 PM

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Beech wrote:

For example, assuming 5 mins to make 1 schematic, the BE could make 1.5million for 50 mins work. What profession can do that ?

Beech

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How much could a Chef sell a Brany schematic for...

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Never been asked, so no idea really. They would need to sell the alcohol schematic,some kind of container schematic (small glass, large class, cask), and if BE-enhanced, food additive schematicbefore, then once manufactured, make the brandy schematic.

But there is plenty of brandy out there (at least on Sunrunner)for sale (have at least 50 crates on my vendor). This is not a cost issue, this is a supply and demand issue. Mega demand, no supply (at least on Sunrunner), hence through desperation, chefs are asking BE's to make them schematics. This thread is about whether or not its ethical to sell a schematic, and if so, for how much.

Message Edited by Beech on 03-02-2004 02:17 PM

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Beech wrote:

All due respect to you, yes I do think making a schematic for 150K is the max a BE can fairly charge. I have heard the main reason why BE's don't supply tissue in quantity is because of the resources required, namely, quality meat. The Chef would supply the resources and meat (either from having to pay for it or harvesting it themselves), thus all the BE is doing is spending 5 mins (if that) to actually create the schematic. I'm not making light of the time that the BE took to become a MBE, I used to be one myself, but 150K ismore then enough to conpensate the BE for their time to make the schematic, at least in my opinion.

For example, assuming 5 mins to make 1 schematic, the BE could make 1.5million for 50 mins work. What profession can do that ?

Beech

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I think server differences are making our opinions different here. I don't havemany problems obtaining enough meat to supply my regular customers. I'm a TKM so I hunt it for myself. Also, since I have become a BE, we've had some good meat located on high level planets like dath and yavin, so 20k stacks haven't been an enormous issue.

Then how about selling the resources to a BE, and buying the crates back in 2 days? Solves the time problem, saves you a factory run. You have the additives you wanted, the BE got the resources and a guaranteed sale, and hologrinders have more expensive brandy to guzzle. Everyone's happy, and you didn't need to cause a fuss and upsetting people by buying the schematic.

In this instance Beech, I had 1000 of the tissues on the vender already. But he did not want those. If you guys sell schematics, you are cheating your fellow BE's.Aggressor sets the rules. So if you start lowering the standards, the money you get will not be compensation enough.

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GreenStok wrote:
In this instance Beech, I had 1000 of the tissues on the vender already. But he did not want those. If you guys sell schematics, you are cheating your fellow BE's.Aggressor sets the rules. So if you start lowering the standards, the money you get will not be compensation enough.

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In the free-market system of this game, why would we care about our fellow BE's? I definitely agree with not selling that guy a schematic since you had tissues for sale. However, I agree with that b/c holding out makes you more money, not out of any moralistic sense of good for other BE's. If a regular customer placed an order, and I could not fill it (lack of meat or whatever), I would offer them a schematic just to keep them as a regular customer.

Yeah if you are selling crates of tissues already, then yeah I agree with you for not selling schematics. On Sunrunner, I haven't found a single BE selling crates of tissue, they aren't interested. Therefore, the only way I know how to get some is to get the resources myself and then ask a BE to create the schematic, and pay them for their time (150K is what I pay). Like I say, if I had the option of buying crates of tissue, I would, I don't want to have to collect resources and then track down a BE for the schematic.

Gustafus: One of the trademarks of a free market economy is that it pits producers vs. consumers with no intervening legislative body. In a working (as opposed to theoretical) free market economy it is common, and even expected, that a group of producers will band together and form guidelines for production and pricing. Free market only means that government, or in this case the developers, will not control prices or production. What you are seeing here is an attempt by a producer to encourage other producers to not do something that they feel is detrimental to the industry as a whole (and their own profit margins in particular). I would expect consumers to be doing something similar to try and keep prices down.

Though in this case the consumers are at a major disadvantage because if they won't pay our prices then we can just turn around and produce one of our other products instead. Thus one might argue that the disparity between the power of the producer and the consumer means this is not in fact a free market economy.

More then fair. I will pay 50k per crate for tissues, that's because I am buy products. It include your skills, resources, times you spend to collect resources and times you spend to make the products. But when you sell schematics, you are only selling your skill, Me not you will have to spend days and days to collect all resources and make the product.

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Gustafus wrote:

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Beech wrote:

I will pay 50K per crate of Broad-spectrum Nutrients, but you trying finding anyone selling crates on Sunrunner !! So help out the chefs, and either start selling crates of Broad-spectrum Nutrients in decent quantities or be open to selling a schematic for a reasonable price, 150K tops.

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Do you honestly think 150k is a fair price for a 1000 unit schematic? Thats 150 credits per tissue. Were a BE to sell you those crates, he would make a profit of 1000-1500 credits per tissue. I wouldn't do it for less than 500k.

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