Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: On Mounts.
I'm with ASHRID and Nightshift here.
The day mounts were introduced I was in "tell-hell" the entire time I was logged in. I didn't really sell any pets only because I'm too busy collecting resources for petstims and tissues components (where 80% of my income comes from anyway).
I'm not looking forward to the mysterious cloning fix for mounts, rather for the control over CL and the complete control over a creature's stats, armor, special attacks. What the hell... it would be nice to change a creature's color too.
I'll agree too that once vehicles are in mounts' popularity will do a nosedive. I'll assume that vehicles won't be allowed within a city (wouldn't that look stupid?) and burstrun is much faster than a mount anyway so mounts will go away somewhat.
I don't really care about mounts. Give me the special attacks, armor, and more clones...
I read a post to another thread in this forum that rang so true. We all have our undies in a bunch over clones and fixing the profession. What we don't see is what actually drives this game. Money! SOE is a corporation. Christmas is right around the corner. The economy is pretty flat right now so its in the corporation's best interest to boost their product anyway they can so they can boost sales.
Look at the facts:
- Jedi has been introduced
- Mounts have gone live followed soon by speeders
- Player cities are up and running
- Space expansion in the works
SOE gets a nice write-up in all the gaming catalogs for everyone to read just in time for the holiday shoppers. Now, you really think SOE cares whether a dozen or so whiny"bio-engineers" are upset their clones don't work?
yes..we have been neglected AGAIN... the vehicles will be out, replacing mounts... too little too late...yadda yadda yadda...the same old story for BE.... (along with the egg/fish/mollusk dilema....I'll stop there before I lose my temper...)
but...
they have also eluded to us that we would have a larger variety of creatures to choose from..(good creatures CL25-CL35 would be great)....the ability to alter/enhance specific traits...possible color control... Is there any word on these changes???????
(it is a very very sad day in BE land...when we have to pray for the ability to color pets in order to save our business...)
Talthazar wrote:
The mount system needed to have the low level mounts available.
Sorry, but I disagree with this right here. They could have left non-CHs with only Kaadu and Spats to ride until the clone publish went in. It was a perfect way to make us important to the game (Wow, those BEs can make a Bol that is docile enough for me to ride), but it is gone. It's gone and there will never be another creature opportunity like this again.
SOEshould let us take any CH skill for free, because we obviously need to be both professions. Either that or give every BE a 100K weekly stipend. Call it SWG welfare or something. Seriously, if they are really really sorry for us getting the shaft, they have it in their power to make it up to us. Free jedi holocrons. Free FS slots. Waive our monthly fee. Handwritten letters of apology. There are many forms an "I'm sorry" can take. The text-only form isn't cutting it any more.
Sure, we can make a little bit of money on deeds. But it's nowhere near the millions that CHs are making. Profession envy? True.Real balance deficiency? Also true.
Benechi
Waxalot wrote:
So..... WHEN?!
We've been hearing about all this for what seems like ages now.
WHEN?!
Pretty much echoes my feelings. Personally, I give up. I really think the BE profession has potential, but at this point, we're screwed. We missed the bandwagon.
Let's face it. No matter HOW you look at it, how many broken promises there have been, the simple fact is that Mounts would have been a FANTASTIC boost to BE - IF our fixes were put in when we were told they would be. They weren't, and now the simple fact is that it is not going to happen. There was a very real possibility here that we could have provided mounts across the board to CH and allowed them to train/sell them in turn. This would have been of tremendous benefit to everyone, but as it happened, we were thrown off yet again.
I mean oh, YAY, we can make BOLS. Which require mid-level or higher CH to control. Wow.
You know what I saw last night? I saw a Creature Handler running around the Coronet starport yelling "Selling non-CH pets, better stats than BE pets, PST if interested!!"
And you know what?
I couldn't refute him. We were screwed over, and we are not going to get a second shot at mounts. The simple fact is that vehicles will be in before we are fixed - at this point, there is no POSSIBLE way of it happening any other way. Vehicles are supposed to be on TC in the next week or so. Who in the hell is going to want BE mounts even with nice stats once those are available? Have you seen the schematic? They include multiple weapon systems! Come ON! It's not going to happen.
Our one shot at providing something of real use to the public is gone and dead. All that's left is to be a CH support class, if/when our schematics are even fixed. And then of course there is Thunderheart's post yesterday - the devs are only NOW realizing that we can't get milk or mollusks!
Sorry if this sounds like a rant, it isn't - I'm not angry at all, just extremely disappointed. There was so much potential in this class, but we've missed the last real marketplace for our products.
So, after making a dozen crates of my pet stims last night to get by with, I dropped all of BE, straight down from master to org chem. Good luck to everyone else willing to stick it out, but after months of MBE and listening to the empty promises, I can no longer do it.
Talthazar wrote:
I've talked to Keldarin about our concerns with mounts. This was in no way meant to be a slight to BE's.
Great, so he's not cruel, just inept and shortsighted. You know what though? The intent doesn't really matter here a whole heck of a lot. I've been playing a BE for about 3 months now, and just reached master this week, but I'll tell ya, I'm actually about to quit because there just doesn't seem to be a future in it anymore. The very hight of this profession ought to be when mounts come out, before the CH nerf, and before the battle droids come out, and here we are, and instead of this being our time in the sun, we are actually buried 3 feet deep because we've been shoved aside (ok, perhaps merely overlooked, same difference). Great, I can sell Kadu's and Spats all day long, but any noob can, and even experimented up my critters are still not much better than the noob ones, and of course much worse than some mounts that can be found in the wild. Every single trip to the harvester, or between the town and my house I see multiple, wild, mountable critter lairs with multiple babies in them. Can they possibly make it any easier on the poor poor CH? So what the heck good did it do me to get master BE?
Our window of opportunity here I think is quite small, and closing fast, and when speeders and battle droids come out I doubt it will make one bit of difference whether or not he's FINALLY put in the finishing, buggy, touches on this new wonderful cloning system. Nobody will care at that point, I know I won't.
I guess the one positive of all of this is that those of us that have been in BE a while have undoubtably made lots of money (from pet stims), which will now enable us to persue other professions without having to obsess over that aspect of the game from here on out.
Waxalot wrote:
So..... WHEN?!
We've been hearing about all this for what seems like ages now.
WHEN?!
I'm sure it will happen after 90% of the people on the servers have mounts, so it will be useless :/
Yea, I'm with Ashrid and Nightshift and... wait a minute, am I nuts??? Hell no I'm not. Here I am, a master BE, and I'm making Spats and Kadu's, over and over and over. I have great dna, I have great meat and flora, and I'm wasting that on Spats and Kadu's? And the real kick in the pants is that I keep having this same conversation with customers:
customer: "Hi, I see that you are a master BE. I'd like a really good mount. Something distinctive, what can you sell me?"
me: I can sell you either a Kadu or a Carrion Spat.
customer: "Oh, those ones that I see everyone has?"
me: yep (I'm thinking: why the heck is this guy coming to me? he can get a far wider selection from a CH)
customer: "Ok, well I'll take a Kadu, does it come trained?"
me: nope, only a CH can train it (I'm thinking: he's gonna have to go to a CH anyway whether he buys the critter from me or not)
customer: "Ok well when will I be able to use it as a mount?"
me: it starts out as a baby, and will take 3-4 days or so to grow (I'm thinking: since I'm not a CH I don't have space to keep them in my datapad, he could probably get one at least half grown from a CH)
customer: "oh ok, yea, I guess I still want it"
me: ok, I'll make it right now for you (I'm thinking: pity sale complete)
Tell me you're not having this same conversation with customers? (those of you who are not CH's). And you're happy about this.... why? simply because you are able to sell them and make a few bucks?
In terms of fish,milk,eggs and mollusk, I say:
Up the units gotten from "filet" a fish or reduce the time it takes to catch one.
Either make a new sort of "crap trap" or something to allow us to catch mollusks
Take away the "living creatures" from lairs and replace that with milk. I don't mind the amount the eggs drop, its good to have a certain tissue be a bit more difficult to gather resources for. But it's near impossible to get enough milk up to make even one article of clothing. The rate at which eggs are harvested is not too big of an issue for me, I can get people to gather for me and before I know it I have a decent sized stack. But any increase in the rate to which they are gathered would be welcome. Maybe having a tougher mob lair give you 5x the harvest rate would be a start. (Wow I got 2 eggs from a Kimo bone pile, wonderful
)
Why? The prices are too steep for the average gamer still.
Mounts, vehicles (which should not be DE btw.. as they are not droids, not shoud DE's fix AT-STs... that's a whole 'nother rant), city parts (for archetects) are nto a meaningful part of the economy. Missing out on the "big cash grab" is bad.. yes.. But that is all it is, a big cash grab.
The way I read that report.. there will be less low level CH trainable mounts when cloning is fixed.
Why?
Cities, mounts and Vehicles were pushed, pushed, pushed to get out. Sometimes that stuff is controlled from other places then the dev level... "sell everyone's grandmothers.. we need this stuff done!"
As most of you have posted.. the demand for mounts will go way down...so it is merely a flash in the pan, blown out of proportion.
Here is how you can tell if BE has been slighted....
Will the broken system item continue to be a problem in the future? Is it a fundimentalyl broken system?
Missing resources makeing wanted items hard to make?
yes.
Broken clone line (in general)?
yes
Chefs don't need food addatives (assuming chef fixes will change this).
yes
Broken clone line (in respect to mounts?)
No. Not relevent in 6 months. Just a cash grab on a new system.... just like camping holocrons and Big K bits for weapons/armor. Holocron selling for 6 million credits? Mounts selling for godawful amounts? The low level ones in the wild will become harder to find... It says it right there at the top of the thread.
I dunno about anyone else, and I can only speak for a few people on this one, but i'm not riding around on a big orange duck, especially for the prices out there...
After the novelty wears off, after the vehicles come in.. People will start settling down to getting what they think looks cool (much like the clothing situation).
As a non-CH, I'll be looking for a mount that looks cool (character concept is not "swoopy")... orange duck doesn't cut it.
I and just about everyone else I knew spent a lot of time picking out our outfits, and most of them will spend the same amount of time picking out acceptable mounts when we get that option.
Also don't forget. There will be more mounts. It has been promised. These are jsut the basis, certain skeletons. When new types become available, peopel will buy new ones... becasue of style... SWG is all about style. 'This is my character and he is unique.'
Be stands to get a lot in a short time, mostly because BE is actually tied into so many systems.
Chef fixes = BEs gain.
CH level fixes = BEs gain (creature levels will be easier to measure, making your crafted
creatures have a set scale to conform to.
Clone fixes = BEs gain (no I don't know when).
Resource fixes = BEs gain ( a bunch of othe peopel ened the materials you also can't find. See also chef fixes).
Bazzar Fixes = BEs gain (everyone gains on that)
Yeah, it makes you look even more broken, I know. Yeah, I know it is hard to keep waiting.
Whenever all this gets in you will be wanted and needed by.
Tailors
Chefs
People who want customized low level pets
People that want customized mounts
Pet Stim users.
Pet Vitality users.
Combat CH types (as opposed to explorer/zookeeper CH types).
Not too bad.
-T
(Then again, I could be looking at this wrong... but apparently my profession is so boring, people grind through it an about an hour and 23 mins [the current holo/grinding record that I know of])
Traigus wrote:
Tailors
Chefs
People who want customized low level pets
People that want customized mounts
Pet Stim users.
Pet Vitality users.
Combat CH types (as opposed to explorer/zookeeper CH types).
Not too bad.
I don't know Traigus. Think about DEs, Chefs and BEs. What do we have in common? We're all crafter professions that are struggling? Why, because we don't have an exclusive global market and desirable products. Even when the clone changes go in and we get (supposedly) desirable products, we still won't have an exclusive global market.
Tailors=
Chefs
People who want customized low level pets
People that want customized mounts
Pet Stim users.
Pet Vitality users.
Combat CH types (as opposed to explorer/zookeeper CH types).