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Well, I think I am going to surrender my dance skills down to novice tonight.

I hardly dance in the cantinas anymore. when I do I end up leaving because I get frustrated with the LAMErs and tip beggers.

I was going to finish my master tailor boxes, and then decide between the two to pick up more combat. But yesterday, I finally did it, I got factioned. And I stand 0 chance against an opposing player because I am at such a low level. The only way to get better combat skills is to say goodbye to dancer.

I just feel liek I am missing out on so much by not participating in the GCW. I had such a blast yesterday. For the times when I have to be overt, I am safe crafting in my basement. I won't be safe in a cantina.

I can always get my skills back at a later date.

I always prided myself on being such a fast healer. I was also so proud to have earned my master dancer title.

But I think it is time to move on.

I will always be a dancer. Always. And I will still put my input in here. I will also shed a tear when I release those skills. I worked so hard at them.

Good Luck Everyone!

I am sorry to see another Master dancer forced out of doing what she /he enjoys by the very people that we try to help. But I totally understand your point and am thinking about doing the same. I love dancing and entertaining, but it just do not make up for the AFK spammersand the ungratefulness that some people show us. Not for my main char anyway, I am thinking about starting a second dancer char on a another server with an existing RP community that I can join.

Running around shooting stuff will never be what I want to do so I will probably be a hermite ranger that have her pets for company or something like that *Smiles*. It is a really hard decision to make becourse of all the lovely people I have met in the cantinas, mostly other entertainers, and I am still not sure I can take the decision. I am still hoping it will get better..

Good luck Lora

Wow. This hit me so hard tonight. You see, I too have been struggling with the choice. I'm gaining CH skill fast and it's a complete blast. I started doing TK as a way to defend myself in cantinas and discovered that melees have an important place in hunting groups. Today I gained another bar toward CH, and I realized that the next skill-up is going to require that I give up something. About all I have left is Master Dancer.

The thing is, my first love is dancing. It's what kept me fired up about coming back into the game day after day for the first month, and gave me the idea that SWG could actually offer more than just another kill-loot-level treadmill.

I think all of us who have ascended to Master have experienced the disappointment to some degree. I'm a strong person, and would not normally allow the LAMERs and spammers to drive me away from something I wanted to do badly enough. But there would have to be a reason for me to stick to it - some purpose in the game's story (the GCW), some importance to the game world beyond being Eye Candy and socializing.

Socializing is fine, but I can socialize in a large hunting group. I want to be more than just bare skin in a flesh wrap - more than a Wal Mart greeter at the cantina door. I want to be of value, and I want the respect of those players I respect. I can't tell you that Dancing, as it stands today, can do that job.

LoraJ, I feel your pain. Intensely. I get attached to my alternate identities in games, and this is going to be the hardest decision I've ever made. But it's one I feel is forced upon us by a flawed design.

Yeah Sinda, exactly.

When I hit master dancer I went out and started seeing what else was out there. I had a blast. And then after a while, when I would go back in the cantina and dance, I would feel so claustorphobic and trapped. I started spending less and less time there. Sometimes there are great people dancing who I can chat with, but so many times it is the LAMErs and I get bored and start feeling the need for action.

I wish there was something else for dancers to do, but for now, I am going to have to move on. I can always get the skills back.

I have decided to go out with a bang. As it turns out, I have a few days left to get some more pistol XP before I can train, so when that day happens, I am going to invite all my friends to the cantina so they can watch me do exotic 4 for the last time. Give them all a beer, and then make my way to the trainer.

I still care about this field. I just hope that some day it can get better. I was talking to a few of the other master dancers on my server, and most of them are feeling the same way. Very sad.

Take a look at some of the -more- well thought out arguments on the Doc boards. A portion of the communtiy see /healmind as the realm of the entertainers. If such a change ever came to pass I could see the artsy classes becomming very popular. I just hope they implementmind bending heal/buffs in a way that encourages grouping.

Grews Rumsig - Master Doc

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nvoigt wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if people know you can start another character on another server... want to be an uber-1337 Bounty Hunter at times ? Go ahead and start one. No reason to surrender your original character.

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I have other characters on other servers. But my PA isn't there - the same old friends I've known all through EQ, DAOC, AO. In fact, I have a second account on Chilastra where I started a scout. She's a load of fun as well, but you know what?

She's not Sinda. She doesn't have the name recognition and friends list, she doesn't have the hard-won melee skill or the large house. She doesn't have the same feel as my first character, the one I really love most.

Suggesting that we start alts doesn't solve the problem we're seeing here -- i.e., that Dancer does not seem to offer the significance within the game that most of us want. All it would take for me to keep my dancer skills would be a nice /healmind and a bigger mind buff. That's all -- ok, maybe some new outfits and some different dance steps, but those aren't what will make us an integral part of the story. Only by giving us some interdependence with the rest of the players (beyond the artificial BF heal that any twit with a macro can do) can we feel as though we have signficance and deserve respect.

Making a character on another server is one of the things I did. I have my Master Dancer/ Master Musician/ Master Entertainer on one server and I have my Master BH on another. Also had a weaponsmith but got bored with that and now I'm currently trying to level my new Entertainer on test up to Master Musician while I wait for my terminal to get Master Dancer there. (leaving my old entertainer behind and staying on test, I really like it there)

This solution may work for me but it doesn't work for everyone and as Sinda said, it certainly doesnt solve the problems with Entertainers having little to do and no reward for being a Master.

With all that said, sorry to see another Master Dancer go, wish there was more I could do.

I had recently taken a vacation from dancing (it was to be a permanent vacation), as I could not stand the majority of the other daners in there (i feel for you spectators, i honestly do). After a time, I saw a post on my server's forum about a PA, and I decided to join them. I figured they would not have any intrest in a tailor dancer, so I decided to get a little combat into the mix, and aimed for the fencer profession (all style and grace you know). Much to my surprise they simply adored the fact that I was a dancer (And i am only about half way to master), and they understood that because of that I was not rolling in credits. The absolutely loved the fact that that I could heal there mind and BF in the PA hall, without everyone having to run waaaaaaay back to Keren. In the end, they have actually given me a large naboo house to set up as my own cantina (and they will furnish it for free as well), and our master armor smith gave me a wonderful set of free armor to keep their little Twi'lek dancer from being eaten alive. After all of this, having found people who actually appreciate me, I am planning on finishing of the dancer tree, and opting to drop the artisan tree. Sorry you didnt have that kind of luck LoraJ

I actually have a had a lot of offers to join PA's. But all my friends are in different ones, too hard to chose. I'm kind of enjoying my independence right now.

I did start a character on another server to be a combat player. I killed dwarf nunas for 30 minutes and was bored and missing all my friends on my server. That's why I have decided to do this. Maybe I will start a dancer on another server so that I can find out who everyone is in the cantina.

Chessack (sp) is right. I spent over a month just dancing about 95% of the time. I probably am burnt out. Although, I would probably dance more if some of my old dance pals were still dancing too. When I do see some familiar faces dancing, I will dance with them for a while. Because it is still fun. I just can't sit in there for long periods of time anymore.

I still have not given it up yet. But I think it is only a matter of time. I really have gotten to the point where I will dance for a group I am part ofor for myself, full stop. Until recently I kept master dancer as my displayed class. I found that I was getting tells from people asking me to dance off their mind wounds and fatigue on places like Dathomir and Yavin. Being the softed-headed/hearted dumbo that I am, I was doing it all the time only to discover that even players who expect you to go out of your way to heal them feel zero obligation to tip. And this on planets where the missions pay 6-20k a pop. After adding ten people to my ignore list, I just decided to remove the dancer flag altogether. I used to enjoy entertaining and now I only go into populated cantinas by the back dooror take a shuttle to find an empty cantina than to let people freeload on my dancing. I will probably start by dumping master plus the whole worthless technique line. I guess at least I will save on clothes.

And starting on another server (which I have done) means leaving your friends unless you can convince them to go with you. It is hard enough to convince most of my friends not to cancel, never mind starting over.