Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: where are all the ch?
There will likely be a few more people turning to CH not that they have unstacked the melee defense. We had a fencer hybrid in our group who used to brag that he could tank anything spamming center of being. Now it is a bit harder to tank that way, so people are looking for some damage mitigation.
I think, however, the bigest market in combat pets is in the Krayt grounds. Krayt hunters burn through pets and are always looking for replacements.
Most of my sales have been for RP. Somebody wanting a Bantha because they have the Tuskan mask, or a mount that is hardier than their old CL10. Or a white Cu Pa, etc. Personally, if when I threw on my Expert BE title at Theed, I practically got mobbed.
Here's an idea, though. You can redeed buildings. You can redeed harvesters, why not redeed pets? I know it would be a difficult system to work. But I would even go for redeeding pets to a deed you cannot use. One you can drop in your house. I have a ton of pets I would like to retire to make room for new ones, but hang onto for sentimental reasons. I came 1 button-click from giving away Scruffles, my first pet, the other day. But I couldn't bring myself to do it. A lot of CH's develop sentimental ties to their pets, and even when they aren't using them anymore, are loath to give them up. More space on datapad = more creature sales. Just a couple stray thoughts.
I just get hit CTRL-V, go to vendors, look for BE stuff, get on bike and vroom! I am there. I am to lazy to do anything else. Has an aside, I will never be Jedi due to laziness. Sometimes while going on a mission a vendor pops up on the display (CTRL-M) and I walk in to see what the vendor has. That's how I got the BE CL60 Grasslands Slice Hound. I was looking for a BE Narglatch I had seen the day before in a BE vendor I could not remember the name of to save my life. I saw the cute doggy in the vendor and it was love at first sight. But it was basicly an impulse buy, I was just window shopping so to speak. I never try using /find. It never works right for me.
fantoq wrote:
Mad,
First, take out the TKM, sub in a different combat class,and make the same statement. I'm not knocking it, it's a great template, but it's probably not reflective of most CHs today.
Never!!! You will have to pry TKM from my cold dead toon hand! But I do know where you are coming from. When I went CH I had always had a combat class along with it (Pistoleer, Rifleman) before I settled on Mr. Jackie Chan.
fantoq wrote:
What'syour trick to finding vendors? Put two next to each other and you can't even read em on the OH map. I can find a lair in a few minutes using a mission terminal. I have to go hunting to find a vendor, lol. Okay, every once in a while the /find works, though it often tells me the nearest X is 3800m away when there's one 50m away. A comprehensivedatabase would be a great idea.
fantoq wrote:
The CH class is still badly bugged and is really lost in purpose. As a result, a lot of CHs are leaving the profession or the game.
IMO, the bulk of the CHs today are either tamers or group players. The need for the uber tanks just isn't there as much. There does seem to be a new influx of dabblers that see the advantage of having a better pet than a lvl 10. But I'm thinking that market will be lvl 12 to 24 pets.
Add to that the fact that pets decay slowly and in today's game, CH is a credit poor class. And with the more crowded planets, vendors are a pain to find...
You couldn't be more wrong on all your accounts of CH. I've been CH since the start and enjoy it more today than when it started. Mostly because it got those dabblers away from the profession when it was revamped. (you may refer to this as the great nerf) The class was made for a particular type of person, and I happen to be that type. You're obviously not. I'm still called on for particularly nasty battles and my pets long outlast a player with buffs, and are more dependable and responsive than a player.
I love my companions because that's what they are. They take a beating, but that's their job when we're not just out gallivanting around. Also, my pets do not decay because I take care of them well, they just don't die when I'm there controlling them. I've made mistakes of course and we've both paid the price for it, but it turns into a learning experience and the occurrance will be less.
I'm not credit poor. I make a killing, but I don't sell pets. I am a warrior with a killer sidekick. I haven't had to worry about credits since I made MCH, and I've *never* sold a pet. I've given lots away andI train for free, and I mount for free. To survive as a CH you need to change your perspective, that's all.
To those of you who are frustrated with CH, ask me for help, try harder, or please get out of the profession for something you are better at. Enjoy yourself, that's what we're here for.
Wokka-wokka
Well, Being a TKM/DOC on my main, and grinding BE now as my alt ... I gotta say ... CH should never have been nerfed ..
The problem was not CH was too powerful, its that too many news cried nerf, as the whiners do everytime ... its happening now with droids ... etc..
I fought a master CH with 2 rancors ... slaughtered the rancors... a kima BE ... KILLED IT. ... etc etc.
Does it mean nerf my profs now ... NO
It means that if a CH can use a lvl 60 pet ... he can use 2 lvl 60 pets ... a better nerf should have been you can pull two pets and not three at you current taming lvl ....
So far BE is slow... I can usualy master a prof in 2 days... this one ... I need the damn meat and I am done.
maddog0606 wrote:
fantoq wrote:Add to that the fact that pets decay slowly and in today's game, CH is a credit poor class. And with the more crowded planets, vendors are a pain to find...
Granted, pets do decay slowly or not at all if one is very careful what one fights and how the fight is performed. I don't feel I am a credit poor class. On a starter planet like Tat, I (a solo MCH/TKM) can make 10K a mission when grouped with my pets. On the adventure planets it is more.
I aint rich, but I aint poor either. And vendors are a pain to find. Only a pain in the time it takes me to go to the store and search the vendor. Why SOE does not place a central datbank (database) in the cities to see what is actually at that store is beyond me. It puts my panties in a bunch when I go to a store to buy something only to find "No items listed".
I actually bought a BE pet a week ago. An unusual pet (at least for me) which is why I bought him. A BE CL60 (thought it was a 62, no biggy) Grasslands Slice Hound. I like dogs. I will buy more. But only if they are unusual looking (not everyone and their Mom has one) and they are better then what I can find on my own (which is usually the case). Heck, if you guys could mix body parts of critters together to make a cool looking pet I would marry one of you. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy taming. I enjoy taming bloodthirsty killers. But to have a pet that looks part Merek (legs) and part Hadarack Rock Crusher (upper body) would be great.
heh I am glad I am not the only one who wants twisted pets, personally I would love to be able to make a monkopotamus...imagine the throwing arm of a monkey and the entrails of a hippo...what a ranged attack that would be.
As a MBE/MCH(eventually, don't want to give up player track)/Ranger dabbler I feel less and less inclined to using my CH side, to the point of questioning having CH at all. When you can get marksman 0404/some armor/drugs or food/decent pistol and kill a lair of pikets in less time takes your Rancor\MBE pet\Arachne Whatever\Merek it makes you wonder if CH really is a combat class. It maybe my general distaste for being a cheerleader of combat instead of actually being involved in it but that's how I have been feeling lately.
Eula
Tiggahtronic wrote:
As a MBE/MCH(eventually, don't want to give up player track)/Ranger dabbler I feel less and less inclined to using my CH side, to the point of questioning having CH at all. When you can get marksman 0404/some armor/drugs or food/decent pistol and kill a lair of pikets in less time takes your Rancor\MBE pet\Arachne Whatever\Merek it makes you wonder if CH really is a combat class. It maybe my general distaste for being a cheerleader of combat instead of actually being involved in it but that's how I have been feeling lately.
Eula
I think this is the heart of the "problem" - I'm not sure CH has been 'nerfed' - more that other combat classes have been improved to the point that in comparison pets are very, very slow in combat.
I think this is the heart of the "problem" - I'm not sure CH has been 'nerfed' - more that other combat classes have been improved to the point that in comparison pets are very, very slow in combat.
Trust me. I have been a MCH/MP since the week after release. We were Uber then but it only lasted a month or so. What made us Uber was not our skills or abilities but every other class was broken. The game was also broken. I mastered MCH/MP in 2 days because as a Novice I could call a Rancor and Snorbles could not climb steep hills. It was all the devs concentrated on. This "exploit" was quickly fixed. The other professions took months and months to even look at. Remember when a probot ruled? They killed the DE profession in one patch. Not because the probot was Uber but because everything else was broken.
Now that those from release have the impression that we are still Uber, we still get nerffed as other classes get fixed. The situation has come full circle. Most professions, I said most lol, are now functional. The CH class is now totally borked. I am a RP guy. I have not called a pet since the patch before last. The "exploit" the devs created made all my pets run for the hills. It took them over two weeks to fix. I learned then that I could do better without them.
Creature handler has been nerffed into uselessness. The only ones playing it now are newbs and PETA people. The reason I have not surrendered the skill is because it is like watching a train wreck. It is interesting and amusing in a way. There is no way to make money. It does not matter to me because I have a ton from selling resources to grinders. Thank you Surveying. lol As alot of you are probably noticing, the skill grind is now REALLY tough. You get more combat XP for most kills than CH XP. You also can not even think about GCW or PVP. So, without RP, there is absolutely zero content.
Yes, I have BE pets. I helped many BE's level back before they were the FOTM. I still dump all my meat, eggs, and fish on them. To the guy who likes weird pets.... The first BE pets I have were made the day of the patch by a friend. Huurton and a Bearded Jax, both AR1 60% kinetic and decent other resists. Both are CL 35 and I do not want to know how long it took her to make them with a brand new, unexplained system. lol I call them FrankenPuppy and FrankenKitty.
Wokka wrote:
fantoq wrote:
The CH class is still badly bugged and is really lost in purpose. As a result, a lot of CHs are leaving the profession or the game.
IMO, the bulk of the CHs today are either tamers or group players. The need for the uber tanks just isn't there as much. There does seem to be a new influx of dabblers that see the advantage of having a better pet than a lvl 10. But I'm thinking that market will be lvl 12 to 24 pets.
Add to that the fact that pets decay slowly and in today's game, CH is a credit poor class. And with the more crowded planets, vendors are a pain to find...
You couldn't be more wrong on all your accounts of CH. I've been CH since the start and enjoy it more today than when it started. Mostly because it got those dabblers away from the profession when it was revamped. (you may refer to this as the great nerf) The class was made for a particular type of person, and I happen to be that type. You're obviously not. I'm still called on for particularly nasty battles and my pets long outlast a player with buffs, and are more dependable and responsive than a player.
I love my companions because that's what they are. They take a beating, but that's their job when we're not just out gallivanting around. Also, my pets do not decay because I take care of them well, they just don't die when I'm there controlling them. I've made mistakes of course and we've both paid the price for it, but it turns into a learning experience and the occurrance will be less.
I'm not credit poor. I make a killing, but I don't sell pets. I am a warrior with a killer sidekick. I haven't had to worry about credits since I made MCH, and I've *never* sold a pet. I've given lots away andI train for free, and I mount for free. To survive as a CH you need to change your perspective, that's all.
To those of you who are frustrated with CH, ask me for help, try harder, or please get out of the profession for something you are better at. Enjoy yourself, that's what we're here for.
Wokka-wokka
Wokka,
I didn't say I was unhappy as a CH, I love it. I don't really give a rat's tail about credits, long as I have enough to have fun playing.
The question is where have all the CHs gone? I was just posing some answers to that. The great nerf got rid of dabblers who were abusing the class. What I see now is dabblers who are now using it to their benefit, which is great. It's good to have players using 6-20 sp in CH and it may lead to a more robust profession later on. The number of MCHs is way lower than what it was, partly due to nerfing and partly due to holocrons and probably partly due to not a whole lot of benefit in being master.
From the BE side, I'm going to spend a lot more time in making lvl 10-24 pets just cause I think that's where the market is. I could be wrong, but hey, it's only a game and I'm having fun.
