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when grinding, the only thing a bh attack can do to a jedi is 1) cause them more vis while they are fighting; 2) cost them xp by db'ing them; or 3) cost them lost grinding time. no benefit to the jedi for staying and fighting (unless they just feel like a little unplanned pvp).

i've seen fairly close to complete padawans fight bh's to a standstill for an hour or so and then finally db the bh. that jedi would have lost 200kor so xp if he had lost. despite winning, he still had to stop grinding his xp (at moderate pace, around 200k for an hour). so in the end, he essentially stood to lose 400k xp if he lost and lose out on 200k xp if he won.

if the devs would implement something for padawans like they had for Knights in the old FRS, there would be a benefit to fighting bh's. in the old system, knights earned frs xp for db'ing an mbh with their mission. why not give the padawans some plain old jedi xp for killing mbh's with their missions....like 50% of what they would have lost if they had been db'ed by the bh. maybe put a cap on this of 2 bh "bonus" xp events per day so people can'toverly abuse it and most jedi will likely hang around for at least the first couple bh's each day.

Message Edited by sm1550 on 10-03-2005 06:46 PM

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Kesai wrote:

I have two things to say.

1. you can't blame a non-full temp for running when they need the xp.

2. BH/CM isn't that friggin uber, they go super slow since they don't have the speed mods of pistoleer/rifleman/carbineer so they probably won't have a root or a startle or something like that. Also a lack of attacks. Torso and critcal are the only good ones in BH. The only thing overpowered about CM is the thyroid rupture which needs to be changed to 25% like the doc buff. If you notice this, when a cm fully cm's you up they have lost half their mind right there. plus they miss alot lol.

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simple to get around...

/paralyze

/sit

/debuff

/go to the bathroom

/eat a sandwhich

/paralyze timer expires

/KD

/apply DOTS

/start shooting

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Arcturius wrote:

Here's a better question for you, and I'm also not trying to flame:

What is in it for US to stand and fight YOU? Really. Do we get removed from the terminals? No. Actually we get MORE vis for fighting Do we get xp for waxing you? No. Oh, and don't forget that the BH gets to chose the time and place. My one BH encounter: Tanked on three CL82 elites. I have NO way to disengage or effectively fight back. This is FAR more of an advantage than it would appear. It's not merely first strike advantage.

What do you lose if you die? Potentially, condition on your gear (and about 100 health wounds if you forgot to clone), but for most advanced MBH, you've got an ADK'ed set of gear, so some of you don't even risk that.

What do WE lose if we die? 2k xp per force skill point we own (max loss of 250 x 2k= 500k xp).

Frankly, most Jedi I personally have spoken with that DO run are either:

A) not willing to risk the loss of xp

B) not willing to provide content for another player (which is the job of the developers, not individual players).

It has nothing to do with feeling embarrassed or a wimp or anything else, at least for me. Nowadays, since I'm fully templated with pre-CU pearls, I tend to annhilate the MBH who comes after me ONLY because it takes longer to run. Sad state of affairs. But that's my take.

Sorry. Numbers were off. Fixed now.

Message Edited by Arcturius on 10-03-2005 03:38 PM

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Arcturius wrote:

Here's a better question for you, and I'm also not trying to flame:

What is in it for US to stand and fight YOU? Really. Do we get removed from the terminals? No. Do we get xp for waxing you? No.

What do you lose if you die? Potentially, condition on your gear (and about 100 health wounds if you forgot to clone), but for most advanced MBH, you've got an ADK'ed set of gear, so some of you don't even risk that.

What do WE lose if we die? 2k xp per force skill point we own (max loss of 250 x 2k= 500k xp).

Frankly, most Jedi I personally have spoken with that DO run are either:

A) not willing to risk the loss of xp

B) not willing to provide content for another player (which is the job of the developers, not individual players).

It has nothing to do with feeling embarrassed or a wimp or anything else, at least for me. Nowadays, since I'm fully templated with pre-CU pearls, I tend to annhilate the MBH who comes after me ONLY because it takes longer to run. Sad state of affairs. But that's my take.

Sorry. Numbers were off. Fixed now.

Message Edited by Arcturius on 10-03-2005 03:38 PM

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LittleManBigGalaxy wrote:
Ok... if i understand when non-fully tempted jedi run. I respected that cuz a lose of xp for them sucks big time. I'm mostly talking about like every fully tempted jedi who runs aways. Ok sure you have nothing to gain by it. But if you didnt wave your lightsaber around in like theed in the first place you woudlnt be uber visible to the terminals. Some jedi keep their sabers hidden and protected, and they rarely get marks. Others run around like idoits becuase they think they are super leet just becuase they have jedi. And the latter are the ones who almost always run because, not to talk down to jedi of course, they are the ones who get whooped by the mbh. The jedi who are reserved and rarely get on the terminals are the ones who own the bh's and are pretty much the best. And those are the ones who i have a lot of respect for.

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Many of the Full templates get vis from participating in content FAR from other players (ie. NOT showing off in Theed). For these full templates, there is ALWAYS the next publish/patch that will nerf skills and force a player to regrind the 3 million Jedi XP PER BRANCH/3.2 million XP per mastery. This is hard enough to do with the vis system in place (though easier now with the relaxed group rules), but imagine trying to crawl out of a 12 million XP hole. Additionally, there are reports of the negative XP cap not stopping at 10mil for padawan/12 mil for previous master.

Blanket statements like this about ANY class of people, whether in game or in the real world, are rarely correct. In fact, blanketing an entire class of people is how prejudice starts. There is a LOT of diversity in the world and not everyone can be put into the same box. If you chose the box, remember that Jedi can make statements about BHs since that's a player class that CHOSES to grief another player.

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LittleManBigGalaxy wrote:
Ok... if i understand when non-fully tempted jedi run. I respected that cuz a lose of xp for them sucks big time. I'm mostly talking about like every fully tempted jedi who runs aways. Ok sure you have nothing to gain by it. But if you didnt wave your lightsaber around in like theed in the first place you woudlnt be uber visible to the terminals. Some jedi keep their sabers hidden and protected, and they rarely get marks. Others run around like idoits becuase they think they are super leet just becuase they have jedi. And the latter are the ones who almost always run because, not to talk down to jedi of course, they are the ones who get whooped by the mbh. The jedi who are reserved and rarely get on the terminals are the ones who own the bh's and are pretty much the best. And those are the ones who i have a lot of respect for.

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what about the ones who have never been off the terms post cu, and are undefeated, and might I add only ran from 3 BH fights out of well over 100?

Hi, my name is Quiet.

seriously, I understand it may not make sense to you....but namecalling doesn't mean anything to most people, and there is no reason to fight when there is nothing to gain....especially when your opponent does have something to gain....you've seen that answer repeatedly and almost exclusively in this thread...your going to have to accept it.

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LittleManBigGalaxy wrote:

Wow do u read my posts or what? Im not flaming, but obviously you cant read my statements. Im not prejudicing a whole group.....i specifically named the show-off full temps......i specifically gave sympathy to the non-fully tempted people

ummmmm the whole point of a jedi is to be nobile, in case you never saw the movies, read the books, etc. I dont care about dark jedi, they can do whatever they want. Im talking about the fully tempted light jedi who run....... and that isnt flaming. Who cares if you have to regrind xp, its a part of life, deal with it.

Can I ask? What is nobile about dieing to a Bounty Hunter? I read all and Watched all. Lets say Movie's, Did the Padawan Trainies in the Jedi Temple Survive from Anakin killing them? dont think so. You talk about Jedi standing and Fighting, Were not Full Jedi, time Frame stats that were Not as Skilled as Luke Skywalker and He's only gotten Basic info from Obi-wan and the Old Hag /Prisoner from the Minds Eye book.

Ok i do sympathize with people who get viz from 23523523523 m from the nearest person, but the people who stand in theed, mo, etc deserve to be hunted down. Keep ur lightsabers in ur cloaks unless you want to show that you can use them....but ony if ur fully tempted.

Personally, i always drop missions for jedi who dont look fully tempted, and i drop missions if i think the jedi is respectful and doesnt deserve the lose of xp. Also, i usually wait until the jedi is done fighting his mob or wahtever and we can have a fairfight. Yes, some bh arecheap asses and dothat stuff...but i want a fair fight with real jedito see who is the real better man.

As much as you are noble towards Letting a Jedi wait until he is Healed and Ready to fight more, you are not the only Bounty Hunter out there.There are people out there that will not attack Non-Full Templated Jedi but there are those that dont care. Plus, there is no real way to tell if a Jedi is not fully templated or not unless you ask them. Most believe, if a Jedi is less the 80 in CL, then they are not fully templated. BUt even a CL80 Jedi might not have Full tempalte. specially with the Respec system in the past.

but if your a fully tempted jedi....especially mls,mdef combo.......and you run...... i will hunt you the the corners of the galaxy... (not to argue or pick a fight, but thats what runners deserver) And thats only if u dont have a reason- for instance you just finish a mob and you run becuase you have no force/mind/action-- go ahead ill understand.

Ok, this was Said above, but I need to ask. Why should a Jedi fight you even if they are Fully Templated? You gain 50k - 200k + in credits if you win. you gain 1k in BH Exp. What does the Jedi get? ??? Another bounty Hunter wanting to attack him again cause he won? Grief from Bounty Hunters cause he had won?

I have to tell you, Just cause he's a Jedi, itdoes not mean he wants to PvP with Bounty Hunters. You might say, if he didn't want to PvP, then why did he get on the Terminals? I will answer that question... He/She mightwanted to haveBadges or do Quests / Content that the game offers..

Case 2- You are standing outside your house for 10 minutes. I have your mark. You run in a long. Log back later thinking your safe-----i give u the db

Are you that Desperate to hunt other players? Have you ever thought of joining a Guild that is into Guild Wars??? Guild Wars are placed you can hunt Jedi and be on Equal Terms with the Jedi. If a Jedi is in a Guild War, then he wants to fight and has no worries about Loosing Exp.

If that Jedi is in a Group hunting monsters, then that Jedi is more concerned with Experience and will mostly Run away... (*Most likely*) ... I know I will.

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Message Edited by SciNutz on 10-03-2005 07:29 PM