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Thread: AV-21 ? What's the big issue?
mattygb
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:03 am
#28
JFreeman wrote:
Uhm... don't delete it. We're putting in a way to restore disabled vehicles.
KaingPu wrote:
HyeStringer wrote:
are these repairable? or toast if disabled like every other vehicle that is not a BARC
Nope... they are toast when disabled. Just delete, cry, and move on.
At first, this is going to be for the "special case" vehicles only: the flash speeder, the BARC, the AV21 and the jetpack. Garages will just allow you to repair those vehicles even if they are disabled.
So we're thinking that the BARC speeder refurb kit should be repurposed to be a "Vehicle Restoration Kit", which could be used (and would be required) to restore any disabled vehicle. Obviously, people wouldn't want to use them for vehicles that are cheap enough to replace, but then you'd be selling the refurb kits to anyone with a BARC, flash speeder, AV21 or Jetpack.
What do you think?
Wish I would have known this before. My AV-21 was destroyed during my paddy trials.
But I understand there was no way, but from now on I will remember to keep those darn expensive things just in case.
Ifai
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:10 am
#29
yes but the swoop biz is replaced with a swoop repair biz, either way an artisan is making the profit. Besides the kits will most likely be prohibitively expenseive compared to the price of a cheap bike. Its a win win for artisan either way
ifai
AudioOrgana
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:15 am
#30
JFreeman wrote:Uhm... don't delete it. We're putting in a way to restore disabled vehicles.
KaingPu wrote:
HyeStringer wrote:
are these repairable? or toast if disabled like every other vehicle that is not a BARC
Nope... they are toast when disabled. Just delete, cry, and move on.
At first, this is going to be for the "special case" vehicles only: the flash speeder, the BARC, the AV21 and the jetpack. Garages will just allow you to repair those vehicles even if they are disabled.
So we're thinking that the BARC speeder refurb kit should be repurposed to be a "Vehicle Restoration Kit", which could be used (and would be required) to restore any disabled vehicle. Obviously, people wouldn't want to use them for vehicles that are cheap enough to replace, but then you'd be selling the refurb kits to anyone with a BARC, flash speeder, AV21 or Jetpack.
What do you think?
Would be the single greatest change to SWG since JTL.
No joke.
I'd have a lot more fun if I could fly my jetpack around or use my AV-21 regularly. Post-CU the aggros on vehicles have been much tougher, and it's silly that we have these vehicles that take a great deal of work to accquire yet can only be used when messing around in non-factioned NPC cities for fear of one shot taking out something worth millions (and in some cases tens of millions).
AO
Elyssa
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:15 am
#31
As long as the resource requirements make it cost-prohibitive to spend money on a repair kit rather than buy a completely new "mundane" vehicle, I don't see a big problem with it.
However, I worry that it will cut into the AV-21 and jetpack market.
On Gorath, AV-21's generally sell for 2+ million and honestly I've never seen a price for a completed jetpack but the components sell for more than that individually.
BARC repair tools, however, tend to start in the 250k range.
If people can buy something to fix their existing AV-21 for 250k, sales of the more expensive new vehicles will come to a complete halt. At that point, you've removed the risk from the equation and nothing remains but the reward. The only way to balance it back would be to make the components for them (and jetpacks) easier to acquire and assemble. When the components for the vehicles can be acquired as easily as the components for the repair tool, you will have achieved that equillibrium.
However, I worry that it will cut into the AV-21 and jetpack market.
On Gorath, AV-21's generally sell for 2+ million and honestly I've never seen a price for a completed jetpack but the components sell for more than that individually.
BARC repair tools, however, tend to start in the 250k range.
If people can buy something to fix their existing AV-21 for 250k, sales of the more expensive new vehicles will come to a complete halt. At that point, you've removed the risk from the equation and nothing remains but the reward. The only way to balance it back would be to make the components for them (and jetpacks) easier to acquire and assemble. When the components for the vehicles can be acquired as easily as the components for the repair tool, you will have achieved that equillibrium.
StikerRunningfly
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:16 am
#32
JFreeman wrote:
Uhm... don't delete it. We're putting in a way to restore disabled vehicles.
KaingPu wrote:
HyeStringer wrote:
are these repairable? or toast if disabled like every other vehicle that is not a BARC
Nope... they are toast when disabled. Just delete, cry, and move on.
At first, this is going to be for the "special case" vehicles only: the flash speeder, the BARC, the AV21 and the jetpack. Garages will just allow you to repair those vehicles even if they are disabled.
So we're thinking that the BARC speeder refurb kit should be repurposed to be a "Vehicle Restoration Kit", which could be used (and would be required) to restore any disabled vehicle. Obviously, people wouldn't want to use them for vehicles that are cheap enough to replace, but then you'd be selling the refurb kits to anyone with a BARC, flash speeder, AV21 or Jetpack.
What do you think?
I think it's a wonderful idea. A lot of people don't use their AV-21s or jetpacks, especially in a pvp situation because those are going to be the first things targetted. Even in pve, they are risky to use (Nightsisters just LOVE to blow up vehicles). Having a way to recover them would be absolutely grand, and we might see more of the expensive ones out there.
Ramsey_Lanclo
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:18 am
#33
JFreeman wrote:Uhm... don't delete it. We're putting in a way to restore disabled vehicles.
KaingPu wrote:
HyeStringer wrote:
are these repairable? or toast if disabled like every other vehicle that is not a BARC
Nope... they are toast when disabled. Just delete, cry, and move on.
At first, this is going to be for the "special case" vehicles only: the flash speeder, the BARC, the AV21 and the jetpack. Garages will just allow you to repair those vehicles even if they are disabled.
So we're thinking that the BARC speeder refurb kit should be repurposed to be a "Vehicle Restoration Kit", which could be used (and would be required) to restore any disabled vehicle. Obviously, people wouldn't want to use them for vehicles that are cheap enough to replace, but then you'd be selling the refurb kits to anyone with a BARC, flash speeder, AV21 or Jetpack.
What do you think?
Wish I would'a known that before I deleted my AV. Lovely.
Lethian_Tulkhas
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:25 am
#34
...yea too bad we deleted our old av-21's already lol, atleast i still got the ones i was too afraid to use 
tralita_tusnami
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:25 am
#35
YES YES YES YES
JFreemani offer you BEER AND PIE AND twilek porn my gratitude, please do this as soon as posable. and ask one favor of you, please make smuggler loot stackable it is game breaking to have all that stuff sitting around
ReelaK
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:33 am
#36
JFreeman wrote:Uhm... don't delete it. We're putting in a way to restore disabled vehicles.
KaingPu wrote:
HyeStringer wrote:
are these repairable? or toast if disabled like every other vehicle that is not a BARC
Nope... they are toast when disabled. Just delete, cry, and move on.
At first, this is going to be for the "special case" vehicles only: the flash speeder, the BARC, the AV21 and the jetpack. Garages will just allow you to repair those vehicles even if they are disabled.
So we're thinking that the BARC speeder refurb kit should be repurposed to be a "Vehicle Restoration Kit", which could be used (and would be required) to restore any disabled vehicle. Obviously, people wouldn't want to use them for vehicles that are cheap enough to replace, but then you'd be selling the refurb kits to anyone with a BARC, flash speeder, AV21 or Jetpack.
What do you think?
Great Idea. That's the only reason I've never bothered to obtain the AV21 or the Jetpack, to easily destroyed with no way to repair. Eagerly looking forward to this one.
Jenya_Malik
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:36 am
#37
I love the idea, as I am a bit of a collector... the only "special" vehicle I do not have is the jetpack.
However... I do not feel that the barc should be made such a high-cost repair. The reason I decided not to do the digital download was because when it comes to vehicles or mounts... vehicles win. I would like to see the barc remain a wonderfully unique item, in that it could still be repaired at a garage (maybe even at a cost of 20k)
Now, keep in mind that I would still buy a few of these kits for my AV-21, and for the Jeypack I will eventually get.
JFreeman
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:42 am
#38
Yes, that's my hidden agenda here: To
coronula wrote:You can already
generatean unlimited number offlash speederdeeds for
20k each so unless you are taking away that option it isn't really a
priority for the flash speeder. It does sound like it would make
AV21 and Jetpack owners happy.
unify the codepath for vehicle restoration. Currently we have vehicles
that cannot ever be re-enabled, some of which can be easily replaced
and others which cannot, in addition to a speeder that can be
re-enabled with money, plus one speeder that can be re-enabled for free
due to a bug, or with a very specific repair kit.
So we want a single coherent system that all vehicles utilize,
and none of the "special casing" on a per-vehicle basis. We'd remove
the "20k credits option" that restore flash speeders and make them work
the same way everything else works.
Loki_Ashaman
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:45 am
#39
/cheer, I've been so scared to use my AV lately
JFreeman wrote:
Uhm... don't delete it. We're putting in a way to restore disabled vehicles.
KaingPu wrote:
HyeStringer wrote:
are these repairable? or toast if disabled like every other vehicle that is not a BARC
Nope... they are toast when disabled. Just delete, cry, and move on.
At first, this is going to be for the "special case" vehicles only: the flash speeder, the BARC, the AV21 and the jetpack. Garages will just allow you to repair those vehicles even if they are disabled.
So we're thinking that the BARC speeder refurb kit should be repurposed to be a "Vehicle Restoration Kit", which could be used (and would be required) to restore any disabled vehicle. Obviously, people wouldn't want to use them for vehicles that are cheap enough to replace, but then you'd be selling the refurb kits to anyone with a BARC, flash speeder, AV21 or Jetpack.
What do you think?
