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Thread: Need some advice
Mythrindir wrote:
have charge shot for the extra KD is very useful...that gives you 3 kds (2 that can be used from range 1 if the jedi gets close) all on different timers for the waiting til they can be kd'd again. for your damaging attacks at carbs/bh you'd use critical and legshot alternating since they're on different timers.
i believe this is correct that there is a sperate 'KD vuln timer' that will make the target immune from KDs, but will admit that i might be wrong. would seem to make sense though since the timer on a special comes available but the attack will not KD the target. this goes for underhand shot, firearm strike, and leg sweep(?the melee KD attack). i've never tried them together so this would be where i might be wrong.
Jagdwulf wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong here...but I was always under the impression that the KD timer was a KD 'immunity' timer as it was Pre-CU...in that it wouldn't matter which KD special you used, after the first KD....they get 30 seconds immunity before you KD again.
Has that changed recently? If so...thats aprettybig advantage Iwasn't aware of.
You could go MBH MCM MCarb 0400 for full battle certification! But only do it if you think MCM is fun... otherwise the slower speed and lower accuracy will really annoy you!
Otherwise, try MBH MCarb Pistoleer 0404 (for acc, disarm, and imp stop)or 0134 (intimidate, impstop)or 0431 (acc, intimidate, basic stop)
mmaness wrote:
You could go MBH MCM MCarb 0400 for full battle certification! But only do it if you think MCM is fun... otherwise the slower speed and lower accuracy will really annoy you!
Otherwise, try MBH MCarb Pistoleer 0404 (for acc, disarm, and imp stop)or 0134 (intimidate, impstop)or 0431 (acc, intimidate, basic stop)
Oh...thats a good idea!
I'm not much for MCM as my wife plays an MCM-base template....but the MBH/MCarb/P0404 might be interesting if I can bare to part with the medic skill. That medic is awfully handy though 
I'm still curious about the MCarbs versus Master Pistoleer with Carb 0400 stuff. I see so many MBH/Mcarb templates running around and I keep thinking to myself "If this many people are using that template...WHAT am I missing?!?"
So then I go back to the ole Profession Calculator and it just seems that the skill points come out about the same...just trading accuracy for defense and vice versa....but the specials from Mcarbs are hugely redundant to what an MBH has. It seems to me like most of them would go into that 'pool' of unused specials. So keep thinking I just have to be missing something.
Thanks!
Jagdwulf wrote:
Mythrindir wrote:
have charge shot for the extra KD is very useful...that gives you 3 kds (2 that can be used from range 1 if the jedi gets close) all on different timers for the waiting til they can be kd'd again. for your damaging attacks at carbs/bh you'd use critical and legshot alternating since they're on different timers.
Correct me if I'm wrong here...but I was always under the impression that the KD timer was a KD 'immunity' timer as it was Pre-CU...in that it wouldn't matter which KD special you used, after the first KD....they get 30 seconds immunity before you KD again.
Has that changed recently? If so...thats aprettybig advantage Iwasn't aware of.
are you sure? whats the kd timer then....i thought it was like 30 seconds and i know ive used underhand and then done the melee strike or whatever its called for a kd in less than a 30 second span.
I wouldn't swear by it...as often things in this game seem to change faster than I can keep up (And of course, the things that 'need' to change never do 
).
All I can say for sure is that 'back in the day' we'd just KD someone and keep on KDing them. Of course, everyone got upset about that so they added a KD immunity timer. A KD'd player was then 'immune' to any KD's...regardless of whether they were fired by you...or by a different player with a different move...for 30 seconds.
As far as I can tell, that transferred post-CU as well.
Only way to tell is for someone who is MBH/Carbs to use underhand shot, then right after they stand back up to use charge shot. If they get the message "you have failed to knockdown your target" on every attempt....then its safe to say its still an 'immunity' timer. I'm pretty sure its still working like this though.
If I find out there are 'separate' immunity timers for different KD moves though...and I can fire one...KD....then when they get back up fire the other....that would be very nice
Jagdwulf wrote:
I wouldn't swear by it...as often things in this game seem to change faster than I can keep up (And of course, the things that 'need' to change never do
All I can say for sure is that 'back in the day' we'd just KD someone and keep on KDing them. Of course, everyone got upset about that so they added a KD immunity timer. A KD'd player was then 'immune' to any KD's...regardless of whether they were fired by you...or by a different player with a different move...for 30 seconds.
As far as I can tell, that transferred post-CU as well.
Only way to tell is for someone who is MBH/Carbs to use underhand shot, then right after they stand back up to use charge shot. If they get the message "you have failed to knockdown your target" on every attempt....then its safe to say its still an 'immunity' timer. I'm pretty sure its still working like this though.
If I find out there are 'separate' immunity timers for different KD moves though...and I can fire one...KD....then when they get back up fire the other....that would be very nice
im not 100% either but i seem to remember doing this to a mark last night (who still stood up and beat the crap out of me anyways.) i could be mistaken...but i could have sworn the underhand worked, and after the melee strike or whatever worked. maybe i had graphics lag and it showed them standing up and falling back down like it used to if they were dizzy kd'd....who knows.
Thankyou all very kindly for the help and opinions.
It helps immensely just to see what other folks think and have experienced...good way to learn new ways to use old moves too.
I figure I'll let this go a few more days and see if there is anything else anyone has to say or add...and then re-read what everyone said...and decide if I'm going to stick to MBH/MP/C0400 or go MBH/MC/xxxx
Thanks!