Armorsmith Archive
Thread: Combat Revamp
CorpPor
Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:07 am
#66
Aleskander wrote:
I agree. The game was so much more fun when we had to get a big group together to hunt kryats. Or when we used to run missions in a group.
I don't remember the last time our guild got together to do a big hunt.
Agreed, that's what I'm saying. Guild hunts, actual groups of people running around together struggling to take down a huge graul, or kryat. *sigh* good times.
A RL friend of mine quit the game because his Master Commando/Smuggler could take out a Kryat by himself, He would just put a fire dot on the dragon and feign death. Nothing else gave him a challange in the game.
Which is one of the main reasons why I play games.....the CHALLANGE. Grinding and grinding just to grind some more is not a challange, just feels like a job, where's my paycheck? 
LordMalice_666
Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:36 am
#67
Perhaps if they could make it so that numbers matter. It would be kinda group vs group (a group can be a group of 1) combat where the side with more people gets defensive and offensive bonuses and/or the other side gets penalties. If there would be penalties it might depend on your class. Like a master tka might handle a bit better 3 melee attackers whereas a rifleman would be pretty much over his head.
A rifleman could still hunt alone nicely as long as he makes sure he isn't swarmed
This would also give a clear edge to people who are using pure combat builds but I must say the whole thing might be pretty hard to implement properly. Ah, I'll just continue eating now.
A rifleman could still hunt alone nicely as long as he makes sure he isn't swarmed
This would also give a clear edge to people who are using pure combat builds but I must say the whole thing might be pretty hard to implement properly. Ah, I'll just continue eating now.
Wabit
Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:16 pm
#68
i've been going around to all the forums and see if there is any hint on when the notes will be out... here is what i found from the commando forums (garvin rules)...
forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=commando&message.id=72586
rememebr that this is all speculation on the corrs part but it brings things into light...
***edit tried 4 times to make a clicky... i can't follow directions well i guess
Message Edited by Wabit on 09-24-2004 11:21 PM
Ricbr
Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:56 pm
#69
I know alot of folks on all sides have been busy testing out JTL with the ongoing beta....i am guessing this is taking up alot of everyones time.
I know I have not yet heard anything for the sandbox server but I am still anxiously awaiting to help out for all CH's
SkyPreacher1
Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:42 pm
#70
Actually there are a number of factors that kind of stick in my craw. I know without a doubt if Tivo was here he could dig up the posts for me, but I am too lazy.
The first one is the fact that TH and company posted in Jan/Feb a projected outline of what was going to happen over the next 8 months or so. At the head of that list was Combat Revamp.
For the CH community the Combat revamp is the one thing we have been waiting for because we hoped, not believed, that it would bring things back into some sort of level playing field. Notice I did not say equal but level. When this combat revamp has been talked about it has been pushed back, denied and then resurrected in a near perfect state. This leads to a virtual dirth in integrity for our profession.
Second thing that really ticks me off is this whole attitude that if we are really nice boys and girls the Devs will come back to us and pat us on the head and give us what we want. That is unmitigated horse crap.
Tivo, Pluto, Robofish, Taloncard, and many others have been very constructive in the 9 months of nerfage we have endured. I think prolly I have been the pariah, well next to Pluto, in looking past the words and seeing the non work of the development team. I honestly don't know what they do, I mean good grief you come to work and sit down at a computer and do what? Ok list of bugs handed to me. Hmmm Frenzied Grauls have been pegged as not spawning babies. Hmmmm how do i fix that. And for 9 months they stick their finger up their nose and find out that the answer to having FG's spawn babies is not there.
We give constructive ideas and we have not heard one bloody word back from them, not one. My analogy of the merchant nerf is bang on. They yelled, they protested, they threatened and bingo vendor nerf kill is lifted. Don't give me this schtick that we are not constructive, that is absolute trite.
Thirdly, Community Relations. I believe that TH as community relations man is an oxymoron. The man cannot relate to anything other than his FOTM profession. Right now his whole life is fixiated on Jedi and JTL. Well JTL from the sounds of it is just another crap grinding session. He has 36 professions, 30 of which are in absolute turmoil and he has spent most of his time posting in the Jedi forums. 30 professions that are in some state of brokenness and the man cannot remove his head from his orfice long enough to say, geez I think we got a problem scotty. Could it be that the peasants are revolting.
Fourthly is the Galactic Civil War. There is none. There is no reason to be imperial other than to avoid the imperial NPC's at the starports. There is no fear of the Storm Troopers, there is no fear of Dark Jedi's, there is no fear of civil war breaking out. Hey maybe you don't want to get sucked into a conflict with either side. You just want to go about your business. Well then be neutral and stay out. But if you choose a side, you are in buddy whether you like it or not. They promised us a crackdown and we got a crack up. They promised us a droid invasion and we got a perversion. They promise us Jedi rarity and they are proliferating like dung beetles on a dead bantha in the hot sun, and they smell about that bad too.
Fifthly is the whole Jedi warped training and getting there. If I everwanted to be a jedi the first holocron I opened cured me of that. Lets see I had 4 friends who ground and got badges and did dungeons and got glowie and went to the town and went what the heck I now have to grind 6 billion more FS xp in order to get to padawan and then 20 zillion after that. Screw this. And they left the game. Guess where they are? Yeah I don't know either. In my other post I talk about what jedi should be like but it will never happen.
Lastly is the whole issue of secrecy. Man this whole thing blows the big one. It isn't like SOE is crafting a nuclear bomb here. JTL is supposed to be the ship that saves SOE's financial butt in the gaming world and according to unnamed sources it is not what they expected and so they are not buying it. In private they used other language. So there will be no big space battles it will still be noobs being pwned by power gamers and most of the rest of the community sucking wind. I also think that the whole "we got to get JTL out there" is so much smoke and mirrors so that an incompetent dev team can keep not fixing the ground game. Incompetent, yes, when a game is still suffering from bugs and glitches that were in beta and the development team has not fixed, either because they won't or they can't, then they are by definition incompetent.
So like my sig says, No jtl, until this game is fixed and by the end of October this cowboy will by fighting a different Dragon unless there is some significant movement.
Oh and last but not least, good old Vert. Hmmm no sign of him. Commando Correspondent basically laid out on the table what he felt the Commando profession would be looking at in the COmbat Revamp. Vert has laid out, zippo. So part of the flame fest lays at his feet. If his fellow Correspondents are letting the goose get away then why is he so tight lipped. Could it simply be because CH profession gets nothing fixed and will still be in the wonderful state of nerfage it now is in. You tell me?
One very jaded CH.
SkyPreacher1
Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:15 pm
#71
Well then if he is holding to the letter of the law, SOE should be banning all the correspondents for breaching the NDA. They have said more in what i would think of as Breach of NDA than Tivo did and he is gone till after JTL is released.
Go figure that one out. SO to me that says double standard, one for the Devs, who can be as rude as they please, one for the Correspondents, who can give or not give information and one for the rest of the community that can be squashed with the all encompassing "you were trolling" handle.
I am not saying fair but I am saying ok, use the rules on everyone. It would make my day to hear, oh one of the devs has been banned from the forums for breaking the NDA. Or TH has been banned from the forums because he referred to the whole CH community as Pokepet masters and that was a violation of the rules of conduct by an employee of SOE. Instead we get banishment of some of our long time CH's over things like bad language, trolling etc. Makes you wonder about things don't it
Wabit
Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:37 pm
#73
Joker9125 wrote:
IN BEFORE THE DELETE!!!!!!!!!!
LMAO, is it really coming to that in these forums????
some of the other corr are droping hints, some are not... if you read the ones posts that are its not really saying waht is gonna happen... its more of trying to get us into a different way of thinking by useing all of you SP to make your chosen prof the best it can be... and different ways that professions will compliment each other...
then there are the few forums who's corrs has either quit or wasn't picked in time to make the summit... those are the ones that are the worst off... it just hits home to CH's as being the prof thats been waiting the second longest for the promised revamp (smugglers being first)...
i don't hold anything against vert, hes in a no win situation right now... he knows some things but can't tell, and he (prob) is as frustrated as we are from the lack of documents... i wouldn't want to be sticking my head into the forum here with the stired up hornets nest we have...
Unskilled1
Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:04 am
#74
again i will say it the CH forums are the worst for communication!
and i will put all the blame on vert he is not a good corespondant
why do i think this he fails to keep a good flow of communication on these boards and now it is to late for him to start because he will just get flammed to death
and i am not just talking about the CR he could have posted anything he wanted just to help keep it a positive place but he chose not to and it is to late now
anyone that visits the commando forums knows what i am talking about
jopenack
Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:59 am
#75
How long will everyone wait before it is proper to call the bluff??
that is what this is a big bluff to delay everyone and quiet evryone down, to stop the cancellation button from being hit and the media from being contacted again.
the paperwork on the cb isnt even close to being published TH made that clear, hes going to be talking about releasing them soon. that means just that talk no documents are comming soon.
after everyone in all communities are in an uproar they will throw out a few documents to settle the dust.
and then months of waiting again
then outrage
the a few more documents
then waiting
and so on.
to believe them again after months of deception last winter is folly
they have done nothing before the summit or after the summit to make me believe they have changed
its plain disgusting
do they owe us any type of explenation YES
and here is why
they ask for ideas, input, drafts, bugreports, and help on testcenter, we give them evrything they ask for and more. and then they tell us nothing exceptto wait and shut up.
SkyPreacher1
Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:53 am
#76
Jope,
I figured it out and it appears you have to.
The problem is cyclic. I am not sure at which end it starts but it is definetly cyclic.
They give us a ray of hope. then they start slowly taking it away. Rather like chinese water torture. Then the give us silence and more silence, the forum finally erupts in rage. Posts get deleted, people get banned, Garva or a red name post something, we finally cool off. We start with reconstructing the great ideas, we get a ray of hope and the cycle begins again.
Unfortunately here in CH the cycle is getting shorter and shorter as frustration mounts.
And yes we could be more patient but the fault is not on our side. To me it is very obvious that the fault lays totally at the feet of the developers because of their laziness and inability to commuicate and more specifically at TH for his lack of guts and his poor choice of words.
Tiggs, do not follow in TH's footsteps, his boots are covered with manure.
Llandros
Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:19 pm
#78
right now the oen thing that might kepe me in this game is jtl, some of my all time favourite games are tie-fighter et-al adn if the combat has a similar fele in jtl (ie im controlling the ship not some damn skillsthat are best gotten from looping aorudn a hyperspace bouy on autopilot for 2 months) tnhe jtl will be the saving grace for this game, ch is still my main love but if they screw jtl then at that point ill be getting ready to leave, wow will hopefully be jsut aournd the corner and ive got this desire to be a druid given soe cant get ch right i may as well try being my own pet(and compairing blizzards track record to soe's who do you think will get a mmorpg right quickest?)