Armorsmith Archive

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cshauny wrote:

You are wrong. Nothing has been said about Wookie Armor anywhere except for the first post by TH in this very thread. The devs have been busy with this Publish. Only now will they actually sit down and start working on our armor.

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Cebre_Opasloa wrote:

I created a Wookiee character to test this point, and yes, strength is 250 points above human minimum. That being said, I migrated the stats of the Wookiee to match my human's stats as much as possible, the strength was 250 points higher as mine is at minimum at the moment. The key point is that I STILL had 350 points to play with and put into my stats that as a human I would not have...That is an advantage for Wookiees to have that other races do not get. Arguing how beneficial it is is irrelevant. You get more points to play with than races plain and simple. If you don't see that as an advantage, it's your myopia.

Even Trandoshans do not get the bonus to health and strength that Wookiees get, and only get 250 points more than Wookiees in constitution. Meanwhile Transdoshans do not get any bonus to action or mind related stats at all except Willpower (where they equal Wookiees) where Wookiees still get 100-200 points extra for each of the action and mind stats both primary and secondary ones.

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*trying to keep civil* My myopia? Perhaps it is yours. You seem to think the haves and the have nots are in unto itself enough. Yes, we get more points. No one argues that. Yes, it is a benefit in the very small window one is a newbie. No one's arguing that either. But I have to dispute your statement that 'arguing how beneficial it is is irrelevant'. How can that be irrelevant? That statement astounds me. Look at grenade experimentation. It's a skill that does not even EXIST in the game, yet skill tapes still drop for it. But, according to you, arguing how beneficial it is is irrelevant. It's +25 to grenade assmelby man! Don't argue with me on how beneficial it is With all due respect, that's just an insane argument.

We've already said carte blanche if you took the HAMs, none of us wooks would bat an eye. That should indicate the utility of this 'bonus'.

I'm pleased you took the time out to create a wookiee, but until you play one for months you cannot truly appreciate the frustration.

And yoru argument using Trandoshans is a poor comparison. Yes even they don't get these small bonuses to health. But they can wear more armour than us i.e. they don't have zero armour.

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You are making my point for me...You talk about practical use. You say that Wookiees' bonuses are not practical. For what you seem to want to do with your character, I would agree. It is you however who are not being practical.

Wookiees' bonuses do not lend themselves to having a practical benefit for your chosen profession, butyou could always pick a race that does lend itself to your chosen profession. What youwant to do is fit a square peg in a round hole. Because it doesn't fit easily you choose to beg Sony to change the hole so that it is square. You're an eskimo so to speak by your choice of profession. It isn't Sony's fault or responsibility if a fridge has no practical value to you. You've CHOSEN to be an Eskimo...The right tool for the right job.

That doesn't mean you can't have characters that break the mold. That does mean though that said characters have no right to complain because they have it tougher. No one has forced you to break the mold. As a human my +10 leadership is only practical were I to become a squad leader. I have no right to complain if I deliberately choose NOT to be a squad leader so as to take advantage of said bonuses. It's wholey my own choice not to take advantage of them.

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*sigh* No, you still miss the entire point. Or maybe it's my myopia, eh? Racial bonuses and the like are very profession specific, yes. Humans with leadership +10 only helps if said human is Squad Leader. +10 weapon assembly for Mon Cals only helps if they are a weaponsmith. +10 Tame wild creature for wookiees only help if you're a CH. Understood.

Armour however transcends professions. Even your non combatant choice of artisan can wear full armour. Profession choice is not the same as racial choice. Humans make better Squad Leaders. Mon Cals make better weaponsmiths. Wookiees make better creature handlers. That's cool. Why must wookiees be saddled with no armour to boot? These profession specific bonuses apply to everyone. This is why I said this can be taken out of the equation. The fact some races make better professions than others is fine. The fact that any profession of any other race (saving a dubious creature handler bonus) is superior to a wookiee one hands down, every time, is not. A wookiee can spend double the skill points than a human counterpart in combat abilities, and yet still is defeated by the person who has spent less skill points.

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I said several messages ago that Wookiees should be able to dish out far more damage than most other races in melee fighting...That is what the 8 foot bulk of muscle is for...but armour does not address that.

The fact remains you choose your character's race and profession deliberately. If they don't mesh well, you can change one or both of them to something that meshes better or simply decide to live with how they are knowing you're at a disadvantage. You are asking for equality of outcome not opportunity. You already have the opportunity to change things for yourself by changing race or profession, or accepting your choice as it is. Expecting Sony to level the playing field for you despite your reluctance to solve the situation yourself does not serve to elevate you, it serves to lower the playing field for everyone else to match you.

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Nor does dishing out more melee damage address the stoppage of enjoyment of high level content. No, I am asking for equal opportunity. The opportunity to enjoy the game. If they don't mesh well, it may very well be that the only solution is to give up. But I'm not talking about how unfair it is that an artisan cannot solo krayt dragons. I'm talking about an entire playable race. Instead of thinking, this doesn't mesh well, I guess I'll just give up, we ask why doesn't it mesh well? Well, why doesn't it? There is NO SOLID REASON, saving the system which was put in - i.e. because the game said so - andit is a gamethat is still under test, tweaking, experimenting. When the system was implemented no one could foresee the future - and so the changes continue.

Once again with the defeatist attitude. Well like I said in my previous post, if you truly do nothing but roll with everything life hands out to you further discussion is pointless. If you truly never want something changed for the better, we have no common basis for debate. And yes, it is for the better.

By the way - I'm not entirely sure how you equate giving wookiees equivalent armour and taking away HAM bonuses with lowering the playing field. With all due respect, you need to get over yourself. The fact wookiees won't die when the wind blows strongly won't take ANYTHING away from you, unless you farm wooks for easy faction. Lowering the field, indeed. SOE is continuously changing things across a wide field of things - but to you, this is pandering.

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You still chose to be that particular race. I think of a bird, I think of flying. I think of a cat, I certainly don't think of flying. You're just unhappy because the race in question being Wookiee doesn't meet your expectations of being a superior combat character. You wouldn't blame the cat for not being able to fly...Just because Wookiees are tall and powerful does not mean they are necessarily combatants.

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We don't want a superior combat character, we want a fair go. And your analogy is completely flawed. I'm not basing Wookiees height and strength with fighting ability - you have a whole dearth of fiction to research. Everywhere you look wookiees are considered a race fully capable of taking the fight up. That's the fundamental point. Forget this game for a moment, read up on wookiees in fiction, and you tell me if it's such a horrible thing to expect wookiees being combat capable. Only in this game are they not.

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I have in the past completely gutted my character's skills, and this isn't my first character in the game incidentally. I also did say it was not an easy choice, and gutting a character completely is even harder. It can howeverbe done if you're willing to pay the price, sacrifice and do what is necessary. You seem to prefer having Sony fix things for you.

Again, you want equality of outcome. Dr. King was born the race he was, you CHOSE and continue to CHOOSE the race you are in the game. He could not change his race, you can. Not everyone have the same advantages as others. Not everyone is born good looking, or wealthy, or healthy for that matter. You have equal rights in the game. You can adapt your character to a profession that takes advantage of the character's strengths, or choose not to. Because you choose not to, you want the rules of the game changed to suit you.

I can't take advantage of a lot of the advanced content in the game at this point, but I'm not complaining about it, and I certainly do not expect Sony to make the content easier for me.

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At the risk of pedancy, I note you say "Sony to fix things". Fixing implies something broken. And broken it is.

And again, you are missing the entire point. What IF Luther King could reroll and did reroll as a white man. Would that have helped inequality? No! It would have been ignoring the problem. There is a problem, it has been recognised by most people, including a lot of non-wookiees, and by SOE itself. Rerolling will not solve this issue. Just as all those poor Droid Engineers who have quit the profession, won't improve the profession itself. Though the profession is broken. I wonder, do you also tirelessly tell the DE's to stop whining? When they got Droid Invasion (which is a farce anyway but hey) was that a case of whining wins, lowering the field, ruining it for everyone? The chefs pre food revamp? Or are we just specially graced with your attacks?

Adding armour for wookiees isn't making anything easier. It's just levelling the field by bringing us up to par. Yes, levelling up to par. Not lowering the par, for whatever reason you termed it so.

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I have no objection to free speech, far from it. I do have a problem with people who expect Big Brother to solve their problems for them rather than doing what they can to solve the problems themselves. I believe the saying goes "God helps those who help themselves..." not who complains the loudest. You can solve the situation on your own, you simply choose not to...I don't blame a pawn in chess because it can't move backwards, that is the way the game is played. I can always choose to move a different piece that can move backwards.

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Wow, you really are just someone who rolls with the wind, aren't you? That's how things are, if things aren't working, suck it up, move along? I ask again, did you tirelessly tell every other profession that has seen working on, improvement, that they should help themselves? For example, too bad the DE profession sucks, but you CHOOSE to be one, so I don't care how broken it is, sucks to be you? Never work for change? Tell me if you had a job you loved, but your boss was making it difficult for you - would you attempt to work a solution out - see HR, apply for transfer, talk it over with your boss - or would you just quit?

And for you to even attempt to equate THIS game to chess is patently absurd. Chess is balanced. This is not. There is no way you can possibly argue otherwise. Not rationally anyway. Chess is simple in terms of rules (though hard to master of course). The complexity of SWG is staggeringly higher than chess in terms of rules. And there are two equal sides in chess, and all the pieces have the same abilities. If you made it so all the black pieces had the abilities of queens, and labelled all the white pieces 'wookiees', you'd get closer. Trying to equate the two is grasping at straws.

As a side note, I am a weaponsmith. I don't really have a vested stake. I will always be a weaponsmith. I am arguing because I just can't believe the audacity of some people to try maintain some elitist nonsense over the wookiee race.

I think I'll just write this off. You will never convince me and the others, nor will we convince you.

In the end what I say, what you say, has absolutely no bearing on the outcome. What the devs do, they will do.

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Exp24 wrote:

From what I've heard. Armour is only going to be like 35% or some crap. Which is totally useless and a slap in the face to all Wookiees. If that's truly the case. We need all the Wookiees in the world to be at the Dev Chat tonight! Flood the place with Wookiees and roar!!!

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