Armorsmith Archive
Thread: Wookiee armor
_YakFace_ wrote:
I think wemust wait to revamp of combat system before asking for changes in races. Dont you think? Maybe before that revamp everything looks different.
_YakFace_ wrote:
This wookie armor gives to the wookie player a great and insane advantage against everybody.
What, exactly, are you basing this statement on? The only thing we've seen that we can use to predict what stats this wookiee armor <B>might</b> have is the Maurader armor. Based on those stats, 25% resists to Kinetic, I don't see any advantage against anything else in average composite.
If you are going to make that statement then back it up with exactly what stats you think would give us this "insane advantage." Based on that then maybe we could discuss ways of avoiding an "insane advantage."
Right now we are at an "insane disadvantage." There has to be a happy middle ground.
In Star Wars all Jedi Wore robes except Vader. So there are many things in SWG that arnet consistant with the movies.
Sure wookiees have more Health, Mind and Action, BUT the substats arent anymore than any other race, those of you who arent wookiees, have no idea hoe much quicker we die in combat than those who can wear a fullset of armor, or a partial set of armor.
If wookiees get AR1 and 25% resists, that will both give the protection we need, and a disadvantage to those who have base 65 and 80% composite armor.
I have a human alt and a wookiee main, and my human alt in a set of sliced 89% sliced base composite can tank 6 Mobs without needing to be healed, my wookiee can't tank 2 of the same mobs without dieing in 6 hits.
josfe wrote:
Wookiees honestly took the high road on the issue. Sure we could've gone and shouted at the top of our lungs "Nerf armor! People shouldn't be able to get a buff and wear armor that they have no chance to wear un-buffed". This would've provided us with the "level" playing field we desired. However we did not feel that this solution would've benefited anyone, not to mention it would've encountered alot of resistance from the rest of the community at large.
Please do not make the mistake of thinking this is composite armor, or Ubese armor. IT IS NOT! This is wookiee only armor, and because it's race specific it's encumberance and resists can be adjusted in order to compensate for the +700 extra HAM points that wookiees recieve.
The bottom line here is that the wookiees have made a number of racial sacrafices on the behest of the rest of the community. The Creature Handler changes were highly requested by many players yet it cost the wookiees our +10 bonus. The Warcry changes were requested by many players and again it cost us wookiees a very good ability that helped to keep us safe in the days before armor arrived. Mod Stacking went away at the request of the community to stop the "ubber templates" and yet again the wookiees lost something that helped to keep them safe. Yet even still the wookiees didn't resort to the Nerf Hearding that you would've seen out of the profession or GCW forums. Instead of requesting Nerfs to others we requested that our species be bolstered by adding a new wookiee only armor type into the game. We have achieved our goal, and no one other than the wookiees and possibly the armorsmith profession is effected by this change. Yet we still have people in this thread crying about it. I'm sorry but wookiees will no longer be your "pets", they aren't going to be something you can one shot kill for a few faction points. They never should've been that way in the first place. Wookiees are supposed to be strong, tall and feirce yet we've been implemented in the game something that even an ewok would laugh at. As for the people who complain "Well the developers implemented it that way..." If you check your SWG manual or title screen it explicitly states that "your gaming experiance may change" that pretty much covers the developers no matter what they decide to do now doesn't it?
Wookiees have sacraficed alot for the community, and it's disheartening to see members of the community react negativly to this addition to the game. Do we not deserve it? But then again I wouldn't expect anyone who isn't a wookiee to understand the problems and compromises we've had to make over the past few months in the name of "balance" and "gameplay". IMHO after 6 months playing Tag with the developers to have some of our issues addressed, while the developers were inadvertantly nerfing our species even more so in the name of "balance";I personally think the developers should be standing on the street corners giving every wookiee they see a full set of armor when it does arrive on the live servers. Obviously I don't expect this to happen, however it's just how strongly I feel about how poorly the wookiee species has been treated by both the developers and the community over this issue.
We have proven our point and the developers agree. If you have a problem with it eitherpresent an alternative solution oroffer ideas to bolster your own race. Thanks Buh-BYE!
Hey josfe,
I've followed your posts for a very long time, and I must say that was one of the best posts i've seen you do. Well thought out, constructive, and gets to the heart of the matter. /salute to you my friend.
Keep up the good work!
As I recall, basically only the stormtroopers wore armor.
As I recall, the "starwarsy" reality was that such armor didn't do a damn thing to stop a blaster shot or one hit by a wookie punch, so quit whining about what's "starwarsy."
And I'll add this for guys like AntUK:
Are you really so lacking in basic common sense and empirical logic that you would state as a matter of fact that a race of individuals don't wear armor because the one member of that race that you have ever seen was not wearing armor when you saw him?
Do all humans not wear armor because you are not wearing armor in front of your computer now?
Not too bright.
AntUK wrote:
The Feel of the game should never take a backseat to anything, i want to play a Star Wars themed game i want to me immersed in it as much as possible, i dont care if the profession im working at is the best or the worst (pistoleer..it sure isnt an ubercombat class)i do it cuz thats the role i want to play. The people who are bothered about balance are the ones who just want to play the game to have a chance to own everyone to be able to say im the best and becasue they found thisisnt attainableat the time beinga wookie, so they want it made so they are. If you want balance why the hell do we have different races???? Lets make everyone generically the same since if some people have advantages other people will want them?? should we do that at a price of it becominga generic game with star wars tags on ......No one in there right mind would want that.
This is where you are so completely wrong. I'm not asking for armours so that I can own anyone and have bragging rights. The ones who do that are the imamture little lunkheads who get their highs from that.
No, all I and every other Wookie is asking for is a chance to compete ON THE SAME LEVEL as everyone else. Without armour, we are gimped. Pure and simple. There is no way that we can take on a full armoured opponent because our attacks only do a fraction of the damage but we in turn take the full damage.
So, the people who want balance just want to be able to enjoy the game. Please try to understand that first before accusing all of us of wanting armour purely for some selfish reason like bragging rights.
Personally, armour will finally give me a chance to compete on a level field. I believe that I am pretty well versed in how to do combat against a PvP opponent and now I will have a chance to atleast last more than 5 seconds. It will also allow me to participate in the GCW with my guildmates and actually being able to contribute a whole lot more.
Waste93 wrote:
AntUK wrote:
What are you basing your comment on that Wookies are a race that don't wear armour? That right, absolutely nothing. No where has it been said that Wookies can't wear armour. This whole bloody argument has gone round and round in circles. People have constantly shown that no where has it every been stated that Wookies can't wear armour, either in this game, in the EU or even in the movies.
People are so quick to jump in with phrases like 'feel of the game' or 'continutity' but yet they don't comment on the number of Jedi running around, 'Pokemon Wars', non-humans in Imperial service etc. etc.
Me i base it simply on the film, Chewbacca was goin to Endor to shut down down a shield generator, and what does he wear to protect himself, thats right nothing, going to an imperial conreolled out post wit hstormies and blaster fire and he decides not towear his wookie armour... and dont get me started about other "look and feel" of star wars issues.. jedi and armour, amount of Jedis and whipping out a ATST out of ur back pocket, Rebels being paid..but they are other arguements no place for them here
A bad bases for your arguement. Shadows of the Empire has two Wookiees wearing armor. Apparently Mandalorian armor. Read the book.
No one in the Alliance on that strike team wore armor. Han, Luke, Leia, and all the grunts wore a camo poncho and a padded helmet. No armor.
This has got to stop. By making a rash generalization and saying that we're getting thsi because of 'moaning' and 'whigning', you are just putting down all the time and effort so many of us have taken to come up with reasoned and comprehensive ideas and then get them through to KStafire who has done a lot of hardwork in pushing this through for us.
Yup you do make a good point generalisation was probably wrong but can u blame me? i come here to post to suggest stuff i got to the GCW zone .i get 4 threads in large text with "wooKEES NEEdZ armour DEVZ" i go into the game guides zone and same thing i get it in my server forum. You see what im building up there are as you say people going around it in the right ways and they probably unfairly get tarred with a smilarbrush its a shame and it happens.
So should Wookiees not have posted threads about this major issue? An issue that resulted in them taking 8X the damage as others?
Do you even know what the armour will look like? No. No one here does. They definitley arent' going to give us something that looks like Composite or Ubese because that would look awful on us.
Well than what can they give you, hide armour like the Wookie clothes? Hide Armour thats just as good as composite? Hide armour that deflects Blaster Fire and stop Swords and Pikes..... again another joke if they do. If they make it less quality becsue of using hides, then there will be cries to get everything even....if u wanted an even game no one would kill each other beacause their attacks and defenses would be identical
Why would it be hide armor? Wookiees are a technoloically advanced race. The bowcaster isn't made out of bone and sinew. You stop with the pathetic arguement that Wookiees are primitives. It doesn't wash.
They are trying to balance us out first because trying to satisfy some garbage like feel of the game. It's easy for people like you to talk about the feel of the game when everything is fine and dandy with your species. When a species like ours has been broken since inception, the feel of the game should definitely take a back seat to balancing us out.As I said, you don't even know what the armour will look like. For all we know, it might go the bandolier route which some suggester OR it might look very similar to the already existing Wookie clothing. I haven't heard many complaining about that.
The Feel of the game should never take a backseat to anything, i want to play a Star Wars themed game i want to me immersed in it as much as possible, i dont care if the profession im working at is the best or the worst (pistoleer..it sure isnt an ubercombat class)i do it cuz thats the role i want to play. The people who are bothered about balance are the ones who just want to play the game to have a chance to own everyone to be able to say im the best and becasue they found thisisnt attainableat the time beinga wookie, so they want it made so they are. If you want balance why the hell do we have different races???? Lets make everyone generically the same since if some people have advantages other people will want them?? should we do that at a price of it becominga generic game with star wars tags on ......No one in there right mind would want that
Then be immersed. We already know that Wookiees can and do wear armor. Wookiees want to be immersed too. We want to be able to take part in the GCW, the supposed defining aspect of the game. But taking 8X the damage seems to shorten our ability to do so. It also hampers our ability to enjoin other aspects of the game. Have you gone to the Geonosian caves? Have you tried going thru there without any armor?
From an immersion standpoint, lets talk about Armor Smiths. They can make armor for a 3 foot bothan and a 7 foot dosh. They can make helments for the Mon Cal. Yet for some reason they just can't scale up armor for a Wookiee? Does that make any sense from a RPG perspecitive?
Now that you refer to the movies, you have only seen ONE character. You're basing everything that we have or should not have on just that one character. That's awfully narrowminded of you. It's good that you atleast recognise that we have issues, which puts you well ahead of some of the people here who think or HAM balances things out when that itself is gimped due to the secondaries cap.
Yeah when it comes to wookies i base it on Chewbacca narrow minded? maybe Star Wars feel? Definatley. Id prefer to be narrow minded and play a game based on the expectations and feel from the film that to be so open minded that the film gets lost between the uber and nerf cries from people that want there Character to rule the Sever and dont give a stuff wether its a star wars game.
Then should no one be able to wear armor? Based on the movies only as you are doing who do we see in armor? Jango Fett. That's it. Boba is a Jango clone, so are the Clone Troopers and Storm Troopers.
Furthermore since Storm Troopers are all clones that means ST armor also needs to be removed from the game. Since players are not Jango clones.
Lets go further. Did you see any Vibro Knucklers in the movies? No, lets remove those. Power Hammers? No, remove those too. So lets remove most of the weapons used in the game since we didn't see them in the movies.
We could also drop half the professions out there since we didn't see those in the movies either.
Waste93 wrote:
We could also drop half the professions out there since we didn't see those in the movies either.
darthtut wrote:
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYeaHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/wookieeroar
Message Edited by GarVa on 03-09-2004 02:39 PM
mmhmmmm i agree lol , my dream has come to. i dont have to kill my wookie
Dracoblood wrote:
So... you let the wookie win.
