Armorsmith Archive
Thread: Wookiee armor
As someone who has two Wookiee hating characters (one's a Trandoshan, Wookiees' natural enemy and the other is a human speciesist Stormtrooper. It's a role playing thing and nothing personal) I think Wookiee armor is only fair.
I'm glad it's not Marauder armor, because I just think that armor is ugly to begin with on humans and would look ridiculous on Wookiees.
Hopefully it will be armor that doesn't look like armor. Something that just looks like hide. Or, I can imagine really cool hand-forged-looking metal chestplates with a naturalistic and/or geometric design pattern. No helmet helmets, but some sort of thick hide hood. I don't want to see a Wookiee with all of their head covered. But some sort of battle armor that looks like it evolved out of their own culture, like the rest of their clothing in the game, would be fine by me.
Wookiees should not get full body armor, but could get something with a built in psg that makes sure all of them is covered as if they were wearing a full suit.
As for species bonuses and weakness, people need to realize that much of this will most likely be changing at some point in the future. Look at these posts and all the threads it links to:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=csystems&message.id=3726
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=csystems&message.id=3729
You can look at ideas others have already come up with and add some of your own as well.
The idea is to make sure each species is worth playing and is different from each other, having their own strengths and weaknesses. Essentially keeping the original intent of species designs, but enhancing them.
The problem is that it's easier to think of what strenghts a species should have than it is to think of their weaknesses.
I like what someone put here that said give Wookiees and Trandos a bigger HAM cost for their armor.
Also, it's mentioned that both species want regeneration to be meaningful, as it should be. To keep them from being too uber, perhaps regeneration should work pretty terribly if their bodies are encased in armor.
As for Trando gloves and boots, I'm fine without them, but I see no real reason why Trandos shouldn't get them. Maybe allowTrandos to wear them, but the HAM costs would be even greater with these additional pieces, so much so that the best full armor would require the best buffs to even put on.
But ideally, I would like to see armor and buffs playing a part in the new combat balance. I don't want to nerf doctors or armorsmiths, but I think things have gotten out of hand, just as much as creature pets used to. I'm guilty as chargedfor jumping on this bandwaggon, buying 80% Composite for my Trando and getting him all buffed up. But people do it because everyone else does it.
So everyone should be equally nerfed. I'd rather see more people wearing and fighting in normal clothes than in armor, like they do in the movies. I'd rather have Stormtrooper armor be the most prevalent in the galaxy, but not be any more uber than any other armor. I'm all for psgs and think the shifting stat thing should change. But since it seems that special moves' HAM costs will go up in the combat balance, I'd like to see the cost for wearing armor go up too.
I'm all for Imperial factioned armorsmiths crafting Storm armor, Rebel armorsmiths craft Marine armor, and neutral armorsmiths making other stuff, but mostly PSGs.
Even better would be for people to not think they need all that stuff just to survive or, at best, triumph.
I'm all over the place here, but what it comes down to for me is that Star Wars is about people and other sentient beings struggling against the odds while having to rely on thier own internal strengths and abilities more than relying on technology or other kinds of external support.
The only real external support should be from other beings.
No one should be an unstoppable one-being army in this game.
Even Jedi had to rely on others in the movies.
Seriously, NONE of us know what the armour will look like or what the stats will be so until then everyone complaining about Wookie armour really does have to shut up. Using bull**edit** arguments like 'continuity' or 'extra HAM' are pointless and baseless, especially since they have all been shown to be wrong.
AntUK wrote:
You know i really swore to myself when i psot on here i wouldnt be too critical of the stuff you guys do
But can you please explain this to me? Wookies wearing armour?
Are you guys totally trying to destory the feel of a Star Wars game? Jedis and Wookies in armour..
Whats next Lightsabers for all, Force powers for artisans
everyone knows the issues with wookies why couldnt you guys have done something more thoughtful and tried to be creative and keep the feel of a Star Wars game?? no you go and do whats easiest Slap a load of Armour on a race who doesent wear any?
What are you basing your comment on that Wookies are a race that don't wear armour? That right, absolutely nothing. No where has it been said that Wookies can't wear armour. This whole bloody argument has gone round and round in circles. People have constantly shown that no where has it every been stated that Wookies can't wear armour, either in this game, in the EU or even in the movies.
People are so quick to jump in with phrases like 'feel of the game' or 'continutity' but yet they don't comment on the number of Jedi running around, 'Pokemon Wars', non-humans in Imperial service etc. etc.
I can uderstand why you would stoop to what amounts to idleness because of the legions of moaning wookies? does it mean that should i winge and moan i can get what i want..if i organise server protests that Lightsabers are too powerful and everyone shud have access to them, if i come on here everday and moan and complain about it..will u guys eventually bow to it becasue its easiest?
You are setting a dangerous precendece here by giving in to a moning minority and giving them exactly wat they wanted.
This has got to stop. By making a rash generalization and saying that we're getting thsi because of 'moaning' and 'whigning', you are just putting down all the time and effort so many of us have taken to come up with reasoned and comprehensive ideas and then get them through to KStafire who has done a lot of hardwork in pushing this through for us.
Why couldnt you have told them you are working on a solution but will not ruin the feel of the game by slapping armour on wookies. Couldn't you guys have come up with any other alternatives, i dont know defense modifiers or Wookie only PSG.
i want to walk around the world and be awed by a 7ft wookie who looks cool in his wookiewear not see some 7ft Steel plated refrigerator running around.
Do you even know what the armour will look like? No. No one here does. They definitley arent' going to give us something that looks like Composite or Ubese because that would look awful on us.
Im sure i wont get a response, but i want to know why you are destroying the SW feel..do u guys have some sort of vendetta and hate Star Wars that much that you evicerate it in a game?
They are trying to balance us out first because trying to satisfy some garbage like feel of the game. It's easy for people like you to talk about the feel of the game when everything is fine and dandy with your species. When a species like ours has been broken since inception, the feel of the game should definitely take a back seat to balancing us out.As I said, you don't even know what the armour will look like. For all we know, it might go the bandolier route which some suggester OR it might look very similar to the already existing Wookie clothing. I haven't heard many complaining about that.
im not saying what you did was wrong wookies have issues you should have solved..its the way in which u have done it..easiest, quickest and with no regard for the SW feel from the movies..Thanks.
Now that you refer to the movies, you have only seen ONE character. You're basing everything that we have or should not have on just that one character. That's awfully narrowminded of you. It's good that you atleast recognise that we have issues, which puts you well ahead of some of the people here who think or HAM balances things out when that itself is gimped due to the secondaries cap.
vvornth wrote:
I don't mind wookies having armors, this game is not playable without armors on. But the sole reason for trandos and wookies having ham bonus was because they could not have armors in specific spots(none in case of the wookies). Since wookies will not be armored, that ham needs to go. Trandos don't care for their ham bonus either believe me. Armors > some bonus ham.
/agree wornth
I'm a trandoshan, and i'm not crying for an stupid complete armor 
I always dont use any armor at all or only chest armor, please, learn how to play without armors.
And please devs, remove the HAM bonus of the wookies.
Thank you thank you thank you
At last as a Wookiee i can get fully kitted and survivie like the rest of the Galaxy, i think becoming an Armoursmith will have to be my chosen profession
/wookieehug for SWG
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May the Force be with you
"I'm a trandoshan, and i'm not crying for an stupid complete armor I always dont use any armor at all or only chest armor, please, learn how to play without armors."
ahhh, here we have my favorite argument of all, which basically goes " I never wear armor (except for when I decide I need to), so please "learn to play" without it at all because I usually dont wear it and so that obviuosly means that no one else does either (unless they decide they need to, of course).......
And please devs, remove the HAM bonus of the wookies.
and now, class you will notice how the ostensibly well-meaning trando never mentions his OWN ham bonus in his nerf call, efficiently destroying his own credibility...
ONE STAR
next?
ok, fellow Wookiees,
we now have 17 pages of Wookiee elation / trolls / Wookiees defending themselves from trolls,
which, considering that we know NOTHING besides the fact that the devs are going to implement Wookiee armor,
makes this about the biggest damned waste (except for the elation parts:smileywink
of forum space that I have ever seen...
I implore all Wookiees to ignore the trolls and let this thing die so we can move on (until TH's next post, which I assume will answer some of the few legitimate questions brought up here)
cshauny wrote:
AntUK wrote:
What are you basing your comment on that Wookies are a race that don't wear armour? That right, absolutely nothing. No where has it been said that Wookies can't wear armour. This whole bloody argument has gone round and round in circles. People have constantly shown that no where has it every been stated that Wookies can't wear armour, either in this game, in the EU or even in the movies.
People are so quick to jump in with phrases like 'feel of the game' or 'continutity' but yet they don't comment on the number of Jedi running around, 'Pokemon Wars', non-humans in Imperial service etc. etc.
Me i base it simply on the film, Chewbacca was goin to Endor to shut down down a shield generator, and what does he wear to protect himself, thats right nothing, going to an imperial conreolled out post wit hstormies and blaster fire and he decides not towear his wookie armour... and dont get me started about other "look and feel" of star wars issues.. jedi and armour, amount of Jedis and whipping out a ATST out of ur back pocket, Rebels being paid..but they are other arguements no place for them here
This has got to stop. By making a rash generalization and saying that we're getting thsi because of 'moaning' and 'whigning', you are just putting down all the time and effort so many of us have taken to come up with reasoned and comprehensive ideas and then get them through to KStafire who has done a lot of hardwork in pushing this through for us.
Yup you do make a good point generalisation was probably wrong but can u blame me? i come here to post to suggest stuff i got to the GCW zone .i get 4 threads in large text with "wooKEES NEEdZ armour DEVZ" i go into the game guides zone and same thing i get it in my server forum. You see what im building up there are as you say people going around it in the right ways and they probably unfairly get tarred with a smilarbrush its a shame and it happens.
Do you even know what the armour will look like? No. No one here does. They definitley arent' going to give us something that looks like Composite or Ubese because that would look awful on us.
Well than what can they give you, hide armour like the Wookie clothes? Hide Armour thats just as good as composite? Hide armour that deflects Blaster Fire and stop Swords and Pikes..... again another joke if they do. If they make it less quality becsue of using hides, then there will be cries to get everything even....if u wanted an even game no one would kill each other beacause their attacks and defenses would be identical
They are trying to balance us out first because trying to satisfy some garbage like feel of the game. It's easy for people like you to talk about the feel of the game when everything is fine and dandy with your species. When a species like ours has been broken since inception, the feel of the game should definitely take a back seat to balancing us out.As I said, you don't even know what the armour will look like. For all we know, it might go the bandolier route which some suggester OR it might look very similar to the already existing Wookie clothing. I haven't heard many complaining about that.
The Feel of the game should never take a backseat to anything, i want to play a Star Wars themed game i want to me immersed in it as much as possible, i dont care if the profession im working at is the best or the worst (pistoleer..it sure isnt an ubercombat class)i do it cuz thats the role i want to play. The people who are bothered about balance are the ones who just want to play the game to have a chance to own everyone to be able to say im the best and becasue they found thisisnt attainableat the time beinga wookie, so they want it made so they are. If you want balance why the hell do we have different races???? Lets make everyone generically the same since if some people have advantages other people will want them?? should we do that at a price of it becominga generic game with star wars tags on ......No one in there right mind would want that
Now that you refer to the movies, you have only seen ONE character. You're basing everything that we have or should not have on just that one character. That's awfully narrowminded of you. It's good that you atleast recognise that we have issues, which puts you well ahead of some of the people here who think or HAM balances things out when that itself is gimped due to the secondaries cap.
Yeah when it comes to wookies i base it on Chewbacca narrow minded? maybe Star Wars feel? Definatley. Id prefer to be narrow minded and play a game based on the expectations and feel from the film that to be so open minded that the film gets lost between the uber and nerf cries from people that want there Character to rule the Sever and dont give a stuff wether its a star wars game.
Tharro wrote:
To tell the truth never saw a wookiee in full armour why should it be here? (I know this gets flamed) I think a sort of bodyarmour would do completely and there are other methods to get the wookiee more effective in PvP and decrease the resist of the composite from 90% to a max of 60%, let the PSG stack to this so if you combine you can get some 90% resist in total, this would make it more real. Saw a duel last night between 2 players, one was wearingcomposite 80% kinetic resist. And he wasn't getting near scratched, this is also unbalanced. You don't let the melee defences stack so they get neigh invulnerable, but with armour it is still possible. Just balance the armour issue and the wookiees don't need full sets. This is my opinion on it, to bad I have restarted my wookiee char 3 days ago