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Thread: Wookiee armor
Corsica_DarkCloud wrote:
AudioOrgana wrote:
cshauny wrote:
The argument that our extra HAM balances things out is even stupider. The person who makes such as argument has obviously not gone into great detail about the difference.
As someone earlier said, it's funny how some players crawl out of the woodwork and talk about 'balance' now when they were nowhere to be seen for the past 6-7 months when we were totally gimped in PvP. Hypocites.
Do you guys read what some of your wookie pals are saying?
Is this the way to sway people to your side of thinking?
This thread has been edited several times for immature behavior (w, 100 O's, and a T is immature), and insulting and calling people hypocrites for commenting on a game-wide issue isn't helping your cause.
1) This is now not an idea, it is in the Development Forum - and it's a balance decision that effects everyone. Of course people are going to comment now.
2) You also do not help your cause by denying that your extra-HAM is an advantage.
I've heard ALL the arguments about this (and actually listened), and what I hear is "It's nothing, move along."
I haven't seen many people in this thread say what you have, what I have overwhelmingly heard is that people would be upset if you were given the equivalent of 90% composite IN ADDITION to your additional HAM. That's a stereotype in the first place, thinking that everyone but you is running around in 90% composite.
As long as you deny that 700 HAM is a bonus and keep this "REPRESSED!" attitude, the longer it's going to take for a) people to take you as seriously as you ask to be taken, and b) denying the advantage you have leads people, correctly or not, to believe that you are protecting something so it doesn't get nerfed or taken into consideration because you espouse that it does not matter.
Stop being so irate and militant - you finally have actual, red-name, in-development attention. Use it wisely.
Audio
Audio,
Do us all a favor and do the math on here to show us how the extra HAM bonus setsWookiees apart from other classes.
Compare for example a Wookiee and human with full buffs and and both wearing composite 75% armor. I am too new to do the math or I would do it myself. You seem to know enough. Show off some of this knowledge and prove someone wrong other than just saying the HAM makes a difference. Let's see and face the facts up front.
Concerning any immaturity on the parts of Wookiee posters, re-read the thread and notice a good bit of immaturity is coming from other classes already calling for a nerf on armor they know nothing about.
This is from a post made my Reztarn right before the protest:
AR1 weapon - 400hp (see text in green)
AR2 weapon - 400hp (see text in green)
AR3 weapon - 400hp (see text in green)
AR1 weapon - 400hp (see text in green)
AR2 weapon - 400hp (see text in green)
AR3 weapon - 400hp (see text in green)
AR0 weapon Energy (400/2) * 73% = 146hp
AR0 weapon other types 400hp (see green text)
AR1 weapon Energy (400) * 73% = 292hp
AR1 weapon other types 400hp (see green text)
AR2 weapon Energy (400*1.25) * 73% = 365hp
AR2 weapon other types 400hp (see green text)
AR3 weapon Energy (400 * 1.25 * 1.25) * 73% = 456.25hp
AR3 weapon other types 400hp (see green text)
AR1 weapon all but stun (400) * 30% = 120hp
AR2 weapon all but stun (400 * 1.25) * 30% = 150hp
AR3 weapon all but stun (400 * 1.25 * 1.25) * 30% = 187hp
Corsica_DarkCloud wrote:
AudioOrgana wrote:
cshauny wrote:
The argument that our extra HAM balances things out is even stupider. The person who makes such as argument has obviously not gone into great detail about the difference.
As someone earlier said, it's funny how some players crawl out of the woodwork and talk about 'balance' now when they were nowhere to be seen for the past 6-7 months when we were totally gimped in PvP. Hypocites.
Do you guys read what some of your wookie pals are saying?
Is this the way to sway people to your side of thinking?
This thread has been edited several times for immature behavior (w, 100 O's, and a T is immature), and insulting and calling people hypocrites for commenting on a game-wide issue isn't helping your cause.
1) This is now not an idea, it is in the Development Forum - and it's a balance decision that effects everyone. Of course people are going to comment now.
2) You also do not help your cause by denying that your extra-HAM is an advantage.
I've heard ALL the arguments about this (and actually listened), and what I hear is "It's nothing, move along."
I haven't seen many people in this thread say what you have, what I have overwhelmingly heard is that people would be upset if you were given the equivalent of 90% composite IN ADDITION to your additional HAM. That's a stereotype in the first place, thinking that everyone but you is running around in 90% composite.
As long as you deny that 700 HAM is a bonus and keep this "REPRESSED!" attitude, the longer it's going to take for a) people to take you as seriously as you ask to be taken, and b) denying the advantage you have leads people, correctly or not, to believe that you are protecting something so it doesn't get nerfed or taken into consideration because you espouse that it does not matter.
Stop being so irate and militant - you finally have actual, red-name, in-development attention. Use it wisely.
Audio
Audio,
Do us all a favor and do the math on here to show us how the extra HAM bonus setsWookiees apart from other classes.
Compare for example a Wookiee and human with full buffs and and both wearing composite 75% armor. I am too new to do the math or I would do it myself. You seem to know enough. Show off some of this knowledge and prove someone wrong other than just saying the HAM makes a difference. Let's see and face the facts up front.
Concerning any immaturity on the parts of Wookiee posters, re-read the thread and notice a good bit of immaturity is coming from other classes already calling for a nerf on armor they know nothing about.
For the #'s check out this post:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Kauri&message.id=91359&page=1
Corsica_DarkCloud wrote:
AudioOrgana wrote:
cshauny wrote:
The argument that our extra HAM balances things out is even stupider. The person who makes such as argument has obviously not gone into great detail about the difference.
As someone earlier said, it's funny how some players crawl out of the woodwork and talk about 'balance' now when they were nowhere to be seen for the past 6-7 months when we were totally gimped in PvP. Hypocites.
Do you guys read what some of your wookie pals are saying?
Is this the way to sway people to your side of thinking?
This thread has been edited several times for immature behavior (w, 100 O's, and a T is immature), and insulting and calling people hypocrites for commenting on a game-wide issue isn't helping your cause.
1) This is now not an idea, it is in the Development Forum - and it's a balance decision that effects everyone. Of course people are going to comment now.
2) You also do not help your cause by denying that your extra-HAM is an advantage.
I've heard ALL the arguments about this (and actually listened), and what I hear is "It's nothing, move along."
I haven't seen many people in this thread say what you have, what I have overwhelmingly heard is that people would be upset if you were given the equivalent of 90% composite IN ADDITION to your additional HAM. That's a stereotype in the first place, thinking that everyone but you is running around in 90% composite.
As long as you deny that 700 HAM is a bonus and keep this "REPRESSED!" attitude, the longer it's going to take for a) people to take you as seriously as you ask to be taken, and b) denying the advantage you have leads people, correctly or not, to believe that you are protecting something so it doesn't get nerfed or taken into consideration because you espouse that it does not matter.
Stop being so irate and militant - you finally have actual, red-name, in-development attention. Use it wisely.
Audio
Audio,
Do us all a favor and do the math on here to show us how the extra HAM bonus setsWookiees apart from other classes.
Compare for example a Wookiee and human with full buffs and and both wearing composite 75% armor. I am too new to do the math or I would do it myself. You seem to know enough. Show off some of this knowledge and prove someone wrong other than just saying the HAM makes a difference. Let's see and face the facts up front.
Concerning any immaturity on the parts of Wookiee posters, re-read the thread and notice a good bit of immaturity is coming from other classes already calling for a nerf on armor they know nothing about.
Check out this posty for the #'s
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Kauri&message.id=91359&page=1
ByygPapa wrote:oh pleasethe trolls on this thread dont care about fairany first grader can do the math to tell you that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING would be "side effected" by giving wookiees the exact same armor as humans and making it cost a compensatory ham amount (apparently 13% more, according to most on these boards)the rest of this crap is just as much smokescreen as they can muster to try to keep their huge advantage over wookieesto wit:non wookiee + armor = wookiee + (armor + 700 encumbrance)now they wanna call this unfair because "then the wookiees can take off the armor and have a ham advantage"but they didnt care about that already-present ham advantage when they could put on their armor and laugh at it, did they?no, they didnt.and, as has been posted already, it isnt that much of an advantageeverybody says 90% resists are impossible to get...finejust for the sake of argument about this stupid ham edge, lets assume armor is capped at 60% (lol) resists...now one of you heavy math dudes PLEASE tell me how much ham a wookiee toon would have to have to stand toe-to-toe w/ an armored foe (assume hits apply equally across the three bars and there are no misses and dmg is constant)come on, gimme results for pve (straight up) and pvp (75% reduction) and tell me how much it is...I'll bet my wookiee hide it comes to a little more than 700 freakin points (and that would be assuming that wookiees didnt have low mind caps and that mind wasnt the determining factor in almost every pvp encounter)show me the math that equates 700 points of ham to 60% resist armor (we wont even talk about AR1) and I wont post another word for 2 weeks
I didn't have time to look up all the stats and what not, but I'll show you what armor does based on a single 1000 Health pool:
When hit for 1000 damage, if 60% of that is reduced, damage taken is 400, so we are now at 600 health. Hit for 1000 again, again 400 damage is taken, we are down to 200 health. Another hit for 1000 is reduced to 400, which is twice what is needed left to finish off the 200.
So what do we have? 2 full hits of 1000 are taken, and half a hit is taken. That equates to 2500 Health.
Now, a wookiee, with the 13% bonus, has 1130 health, less than half of the human with 1k and 60% armor.
In PVP, a 1000 damage shot hits for 250. So, the human with 1000 health and 60% resistance only gets hit for 110. Therefore, in PVP he can take 10 hits (the last doing only 10 damage to finish the pool). It comes out to 9160 Health.
The wookiee in pvp gets 1130 health. At 75% reduction he takes 250 ever singly time. 5 shots finishes him, with the last requiring less than half of a shot to finish him. It comes out to 4055.
Now, tell me that is fair? Human with 9160 (and that is the equivalent of cheap mabari or chitin with light armor and 20% resists)
Now, lets see what the human with decent composit, light armor and say 75% damage reduction.
1000 Health, a 1000 damage shot gets first reduced by 50% from the light armor rating, to a 500 damage shot. It is then reduced by 75% to a 125 damage shot. A human can take a full 8 of these shots for an efective health of 8000. That is in PvE, since the light armor rating is next to worthless in PvP.
Now, how does our 1130 health have half a chance to last longer than a Human with decent armor? (75% is very common now, most people I have seen who wear armor often wear closer to 80%, which is right around 50% better than 75% armor, because of the way it scales).
If you say that is fair, there is nothing to say other than you are dumb. No one with a quarter ounce of intelligence (read - not a lot) would say that is fair.
And worried about the extra HAM giving an unfair advantage? Well, if wookiee armor gets 13% more encumbrance across the board than human armor, then the 13% wookiee bonus is neutralized completely. There is no reason for wookiee armor to be lower quality than humanoid armor.
Every woman's teddy bear i cant beleive most of the gripes about us wookies havnig armour is because we get a ham bonus
lets face it the bonus we get is garbage against comp armour and a full buff like we stand a chance against that in any pvp 1 on 1 situation.... in the true feel of star wars we should be able to pull most of your arms off yet i dont see that as a special wookie skill no we get 100 extra health woop de doo with some docs suggestin they are gettin the odd 4k buff wots an extra 100 actually gonna acheive us
for all u pesamists shhhhhh this is somethin wopkies need let us have our day without so much gripin just for once
/wookieehugTH
/wookieeroar; /warcry; /strafeshot2; /strafeshot2; /selectVK; /knockdown2; /unarmedhit3; /unarmedhit3; /say how you like it NOW, Imp scumbags!?!
You rule TH. NM the whiners....I notice they are all Imps. They seem to cry foul everytime a change in the game doesn't leave a monopoly in their power-gamer hands. /fistimp
WooTaka-DS-Ahazi Rifleman/TKM (way before they were cool!)
TheBlur wrote:
ReptileSpit wrote:
...Doesnt matter what he wrote, he's a race griefer with nothing better to do with his time then troll our posting here attempting to rain on our parade....
Hey ReptileSpit,
Go troll another posting, and let us have our moment without interference from the squid.
So far Ive come across at least 7 of your posts while reading thru this thread.
You offer nothing but race griefing, and put downs.
That is your right to do so, just do it in your galaxy board, or somewhere else.
TheBlur wrote:
dhcpSilicon wrote:
Limbonik wrote:
The Wookie Bandolier
The Wookie bandolier (WB from here on out) would be considered (guesswork mostly at this stage) the "chest plate" of the wookie armour. This item could be made by Armoursmiths, and given Resist/Encumerances to reflect armour.
But I see what you wookies are getting ready to say already: "W.T.F.? That's just a chestplate, we wookies want a full suit of armour, like humans get." So, here comes part II of my bandolier idea:
The Wookie Bandolier Cartridge
The WBC would be in a nutshell, the other pieces of armour. These would also be made by Armoursmiths, and given the Resist/Enc wanted, and then could be made to "drag and drop" onto the WB and (once attached) they are forever. Just like any other armour, you would have to purchase a new WB and WBC in order to make another armour type that would benefit you in a different situation (much like we should need more than one type of armour as well.) the WBC would take no "space" in the WB, which would also be dual-purposed as a "backpack" for wookies as well. The WBC would also be able to use armour tapes in their construction.
I like this for three reasons:
1) We'll be fully armored (yay!)
2) People who complain that Wookiees appearing to have armor on would ruin the experience for them (but Wookiees in the Imperial army and being able to be resurrected indefinitely are OK) won't be able to b!tch about it.
3) No one will know if you're wearing armor, or how covered you truly are. This might instill some of the fear and uncertainty that we should be able to bring to the hearts of our opponents.
Dumb idea.
You cant have a backpack AND a bandolier on at the same time..
Survey says.... X
That's rich. Anotherindividual who does not understand that a backpack and a bandolier both carry items in this game. Have you ever wore a bandolier, or did you just assume you knew what you were speaking of? I'm seriously at a lossas to how 2seperate individuals have responded solely with "you can't wear a backpack" and just dumped the idea.
Let me try to put this across again, and maybe (we can hope) it sinks in for you:
You can store items in a Backpack.
You can also store items in a Bandolier.
I find it amazing that all of you respond with "don't listen to the whiners" when all you wookies have done is whine in every single forum on these boards. You've spammed non-stop, and even the Moderators won't do their jobs and place your specific issues in Core Systems. I've seen comments about "Wookies need armour", "Wookies should keep their bonuses too", "We can just increase the encumberance on the armour instead" - Wrong. You need to lose the bonuses if you get armour. Adding encumberances is not the same thing in this game, as when you place a wookie and any other race together without armour then those bonuses become glaringly real. And don't whine about "But buffs this" - Take that up with the Developers - Buffs are so far out of proportion it isn't even funny. Much like the standard armour already in the game. I mean **edit**, let's just throw out all the armour-types and just use Composite - that's all anyone uses as it's capable of providing high resistance to every type of damage the game has. Pre-existing armour needs to be redesigned first and foremost before they just "drop" a new type of race-specific armour into an already horribly constructed armour-classed system.
But in the end, you prove that whining is greater than canon - I'm sure that's something George Lucas would be horrified by. And for the guy who said "Who cares what George thinks?" - Well...you better care what George thinks. Star Wars and it's story is only "licensed" to SOE, that does not give SOE the right to destroy the story in any way, shape or form. Don't believe me, here's a good example:
Darkhorse Comics is the publisher of several Star Wars "EU" comics. There was a point where the creative team was working on a story line dealing with Wookies and an unexplainable, inherent ability to the Force. At this time in history, Lucas still had plans to do Episodes VII - IX. At the end of Episode IX, Lucas was going to reveal a very interesting "twist" to the force, and how it tied into the Wookies. Darkhorse had no clue of what Lucas was planning, but they are required to bring their work to Lucas for reviewal prior to release, as Lucas reserves the final say on everything involving the Star Wars universe. Well, Lucas saw what was going on at Darkhorse and placed the whole line of comics on lockdown.
If you're not careful, you may see the very same thing occur here as well.
But hey, continue to tell us that we should not whine when all you have done is whine. Wookies in this game are far from the noble species portrayed in the films, quite a few of you are nothing more than Hypocrites.
Another step in the proper direction of balancing races and skills
Cewy