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Thread: Petition to add Armor Color Kits

Capt_Obvious
Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:25 am
#27






Sylow wrote:










You don't know how annoying, frustrating, and ultimately not fun taking custom orders are.



I know that my GF (talor, not armoursmith, i admit) almost only did custom orders. Two vendors, one of them right in front of Coronet, sold almost nothing. (Those people who buy from vendor want very colorful outfits, we had to learn. Black is a color, after all, so black cloak with black shirt, black trousers, combined with black boots and finished with black gloves surely have to be considered very colorful... the very innovative customers replace black with white, but that's it. Everybody who really wants to have good looking clothes makes a personal meeting with the tailor of choice... )


Learning this, i would say, for those who don't like custom orders, just fill your vendors with all-black equipment. (In case you want variety, also add a few red sets...black and red seem to be the prefered color schemes for composite armour for sure... ) People will buy in masses. If you want to sell colorful things, you have to meet with the customer and have to take the "trouble" of actually speaking with them.


As i know that armours take more and better ressources, the above mentioned case with customers wanting the color scheme otherwhise than first made, i assume you have a point, though. With tailoring, if something doesn't fit, you just create it in a better way, with armours, that would be expencive fun. (Though, when you go for bio-engineered things, such fuss also is getting expencive in tailor-wares.)


Anyways, i'd leave the coloring in the hands of the armoursmith, so it would look like this:



  • an armoursmith might change the color only on armours he made himself

  • an armoursmith might change color only on armours which were not used in battle already, so are not damaged.

If these conditions are met, i'd even say, the armoursmith can do that without even having to use any paint kit, just give the radial option like on composite stuff.


Would seem a fair compromise to me, colors can be changed, you'd not loose any ressources when the customer still wants colors changed, still the armoursmith would now have some customer interaction.


Message Edited by Sylow on 06-07-2005 05:54 PM





It seems that you missed the entire point here. Currently factory runs are bugged and no matter what color you set it for once you pull a piece out of a crate, whether it was made pre-pub17 or post it will revert to default colors. If we could load up our vendors with all black armor or all red or whatever color of the rainbow we would. But at this point we cannot! If we had the coloring kits than instantly this problem is solved, customers get their personalized armor, we get to make large runs without fear of wasting valuable resources.


Sorry if I sound a bit annoyed atm but it's rather infuriating waiting for a fix day after day to this and only see updates on their "Fanfest" vacation.


DEVS GET BACK TO WORK!

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Message Edited by Capt_Obvious on 06-07-2005 12:27 PM



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Sylow
Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:50 am
#28









It seems that you missed the entire point here. Currently factory runs are bugged and no matter what color you set it for once you pull a piece out of a crate, whether it was made pre-pub17 or post it will revert to default colors. If we could load up our vendors with all black armor or all red or whatever color of the rainbow we would. But at this point we cannot! If we had the coloring kits than instantly this problem is solved, customers get their personalized armor, we get to make large runs without fear of wasting valuable resources.



I am aware of the issue and didn't "miss the entire point". But i dare to ask, what is the more clever step and less effort? Fixing the bug which apparently and clearly visibly is a bug and will be complained about forever, untill it will be fixed, or not fixing the bug first and implementing color kits?


I agree that the color kits or a similar functionality in some ways can have their uses. (I first didn't like the idea, but the argumentation with customers wanting very specific color schemes and armours using lots of ressources convinced me that such customisation would make sense, although i'd leave it in the hands of the armoursmith...) I disagree that they would be the fix of the bug, that factory runs produce one standard color.


Message Edited by Sylow on 06-08-2005 12:52 PM






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Fantomonkey
Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:28 am
#29

/sign
Mozzman
Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:44 am
#30

got my support!


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Quizz
Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:27 am
#31

/sign


whats the difference if u customize the armor or if the customer did. come on and get real. its easier for the customer and easier for us. there is no way u cant support this no matter how u argue it.





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Rikalonius
Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:52 am
#32

Hells yes I would sign that.



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NalfeinQ
Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:07 am
#33

As long as it doesn't get added for clothing as well, armor is ok with me.



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Capt_Obvious
Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:10 am
#34

Saw another post that said that per a CSR said they were bringing back the radial menu to change the color like composite used to be pre-CU with the next big bug fix. So I guess thats a fix right?



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Kam_Revel
Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:28 pm
#35


First of all this color palette bug is not a new issue. This may be the third occurance of it after a major game change to just this profession.So to address the recurring problem, the kits may bethe preponderantalternative.


Secondly, I didn't suggestthis to abrogate personal service or custom orders. I do not want anyone to get the idea that somehow the color kits would destroy that element of game play. Yes currently some smiths arerelishing taking color requets, but let me inform you that there is more to "customizing" than just colors. I do custom requests for "enhanced" armor (health enhancements via loot drops like NS, Krayt etc), specially "named" armor, RIS armor, and even experimentally broken "layered" armor. Seriously, colors are just scratching the surface of "customization" when it comes to this trade. (Another reason why you can't simply compare armor goods to tailored products).


What do you do when you are hand crafting and waiting on crafting tools to produce the product? Get more tools and craft more pieces, right? Well, look at the color kits as another "tool" in your pocket that allows you to accentuate andcolor the superbloot constructed, layered piece you just made to better appease your customer. The end goal is better service and I really do believe these color kits will help compliment and boost the level of service an armorsmith provides.


Finally,as Oa'kronreminded us, we were promised these some time ago and now should demand they be delivered to us.Please take a moment to understand we ought to be unified on this. We need asolution that will allow us some corrective action every time there is a databse shift that brings about the color palette bug back to haunt us. Allowing the radial dial temporary option on certain types or armor is just that, "temporary" and already setup to limit us. Certainly it will not stir up more crafting choices.




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Venom866
Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:38 pm
#36

/sign



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RangerGord
Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:29 pm
#37

As a customer, I think having paint kits or even to be able to change the colour from the radial menu is a great idea. I had 2 suits of ithorian sentinal armour made for me today, and even though I told my guildmate what colours I wanted, I still wasn't satisfied with the colours I got. I would have loved to have been able to change the colours to what I exactly wanted. If I could change the colours myself, I would of only had one suit made and just change the colours when I wanted. Convienent for me and my guild's armoursmith. Just my 2 canadian cents.



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ravingbantha
Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:13 pm
#38

/sign



and hears why....


*Armor that is made now and being made in factories has messed up colors, customers do not want that.


* The ability to stock a full array of armor in Multiple colors limits your options as a merchant


* When a customer has a specail colored suit of Armor and a piece breaks he's going to want a replacement, and I do not feel like taking time out of doing something else to make someone a bracer


* Customer orders are a pain, if a customer wants a particular color scheme, then let's give them the option.
JaWadeen
Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:50 pm
#39

/sign




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