Armorsmith Archive
Thread: what stats are important to AS when the CU hits? and if you dont like swg, quit.
I will /cheer when you actually quit the game!
staticrevan wrote:
I just became master armorsmith, and was wondering what stats will be important in the CU? I heard OQ and UT.. is that true?
No, they changed it back to OQ+SR, so many of the original "I am loosing millions" post are not valid anymore. See, the devs listen sometimes if you shout loud enough...
.... If you are only doing AS for creds, yes, the CU might suck for you, but if you are doing it because you enjoy armorsmithing, chances are, you will still enjoy it. ...
Now, this is where you missed the boat. They biggest gripe AS have with the new system is that they take the enjoyment out of crafting. They have added a lot of nice armor, loots options, etc, but who cares when they turn us into assembly workers? For all practible purposes there is no more experimentation, no challenges. Most of us wouldl whine a little over loosing money, but would still be there because the crafting itself was fun and challenging. The new system <insert explicit word>, and we are trying to get the devs to listen to us here as well. Otherwise, quitting becomes a very valid option.
JediSpam wrote:
TurboSith wrote:
JediSpam wrote:
TurboSith wrote:
why is everyone's responses so long? lol
Hahaha, yeah, I was just about to post a reply, but it got too long...
The original poster just has no idea about what's going on, so I think everyone's trying to educate him.
What a cool community.
lol yeah my first post half way up was going to be long then it became so long-winded i decided to go with a shorter response lol
can someone give me the cliff notes version
1) Armor schematics are being changed.
Certain resources that people have spent a fortune to stock are now crap.
There are many smiths (rich and poor) who have millions of top quality resources (soon to be crap stuff) stocked.
2) Experimentation is being changed to a one-bar thingy.
No smith can make different armor than their neighbor smith.
No more separate experimentation on HAM costs, Base, Specials anymore.
Everyone is stuck with just one option.
3) Experimentation points are not needed anymore.
A 10 point smith will be able to make the same stuff as a 12 point, because again, it a one-bar thing and you can't experiment more than 10 points per item to begin with.
Something like this, I think... LOL
Message Edited by JediSpam on 04-12-2005 03:22 PM
Actually...they changed it back. The stats needed are still OQ/SR. Just the final combine willbe 33/33/33 with OQ/SR/DR.
Was in TC5 last night (Maximus) and i found this out that they are keeping it this way.
Thula wrote:
staticrevan wrote:
I just became master armorsmith, and was wondering what stats will be important in the CU? I heard OQ and UT.. is that true?
No, they changed it back to OQ+SR, so many of the original "I am loosing millions" post are not valid anymore. See, the devs listen sometimes if you shout loud enough...
.... If you are only doing AS for creds, yes, the CU might suck for you, but if you are doing it because you enjoy armorsmithing, chances are, you will still enjoy it. ...
Now, this is where you missed the boat. They biggest gripe AS have with the new system is that they take the enjoyment out of crafting. They have added a lot of nice armor, loots options, etc, but who cares when they turn us into assembly workers? For all practible purposes there is no more experimentation, no challenges. Most of us wouldl whine a little over loosing money, but would still be there because the crafting itself was fun and challenging. The new system , and we are trying to get the devs to listen to us here as well. Otherwise, quitting becomes a very valid option.
Not true, I think the poster that said he was losing millions is refering to the outside being just a shell now, we have lots invested in the outside as well as the layers. My solid petro and my gases aren't used anywhere. I've lost millions there.
To the poster. It's not about the money, it's not about the twelve point suits that are now virtually worthless, it's that armorsmithing was the most challenging profession, you had to manage resources, more than any other profession because you were going to use a lot of them. You had to market yourself through differentiation, which you won't be able to do since loot is the differentiator now. You're not even master yet, I point that out for two reasons, First Armorsmith is the one profession where the journey begins at master, so you'll grind it out and then begin to learn your trade, it's unlike any other profession in that fact. Second, your attitude here has been to come in and tell everyone to quit griping about something you haven't even experienced yet. That's the reason for the lashout you've received.
I and most AS feel violated by SOE because they have taken our work, research, and effort and discarded it. Weapons changes for the CU were fit nicely into everything that currently exists, yet we recieved an overhaul to remove the challenges from what we so much enjoyed.
Thula wrote:
staticrevan wrote:.... If you are only doing AS for creds, yes, the CU might suck for you, but if you are doing it because you enjoy armorsmithing, chances are, you will still enjoy it. ...Now, this is where you missed the boat. They biggest gripe AS have with the new system is that they take the enjoyment out of crafting. They have added a lot of nice armor, loots options, etc, but who cares when they turn us into assembly workers? For all practible purposes there is no more experimentation, no challenges. Most of us wouldl whine a little over loosing money, but would still be there because the crafting itself was fun and challenging. The new system , and we are trying to get the devs to listen to us here as well. Otherwise, quitting becomes a very valid option.
What he said.
Also....I can't help but wonder why they just don't keep OQ/SR/UT/MA.....but what do I know?
staticrevan wrote:
I wish there was an emoticon of someone playing a violin.
I'm crying, I'm so hurt.
I brought up creds because it looks like the richest people in the game seem mad that they are going to lose a lot of business, they are all threatening to quit, so shut up and quit already. Firstly, I am not a noob, I have been playing for over a year, secondly, I do not have problems making creds, since I have a combat toon that makes plenty from looting and auctioning things. I craft because I enjoy crafting, whether anyone buys what I make or not.
Do you know what will stop you from being a great comp armorsmith? nothing. You can still be a good armorsmith, just unfortunatley for you, only 3 profs will be able to wear your comp armor.
Is it bad that a lot of your previously used resources might not be useful in the AS prof anymore? yes, it may seem unfair, but whining about it wont do anything. The changes have been known about for a while, so use up your resources making and selling your armor before the CU hits.
again, boo-hoo.
Ya know, its players like you with not even in inkling of what we are talking about that makes me feel sorry for the game today. I have been an armorsmith since 10/2003. I played an armorsmith so that I could help provide my guild with the best quality of materials. I give away more armor then I can shake a stick at. Why do I do this, because I want to feel proud in that people like my armor and use it. Yes, I also sell armor, but I do this so that I can in turn by resources to keep making my armor. I even give credits away because its not about credits to me. ITs about being proud of my work. I will never forget the day when I made my first set of 80 kin 52 base padded with no extra loots, just materials. I was so happy, I gave 50 suits away to players in theed, just because I was elated at doing it. Then there was the 80 kin 30 base ubese. You see, for some of us, thats what its about.
With these new rules, we are all going to be experimenting the same thing. There is no diversity, its now all gonna be about loots in order to make the armor better. It shouldnt be that way. We can no longer experiment on durability or condition, as its now all incompassed in that one line. And the justification that was given to us by the developer just doesnt hold water. He stated that it was because of broken loots that they did this. Now im no rocket scientist, but it seems like he was saying it was easier to nerf us rather than do their job and fix the broken loots.
I can understand you might be frustrated with listening to us old timers as you call us ranting and raving. But I think the fact that we have been around for as long as we have, we can tell a nerf when we see one.
BTW, if it was about making credits, I could make alot more flying missions in space then with armor. Currently master pilots can make 2 mil every 2.5 hours in space, i sell about 1 to 2 mil a night in armor. So its not about credits, trust me.
JediSpam wrote:
1) Armor schematics are being changed.
Certain resources that people have spent a fortune to stock are now crap.
There are many smiths (rich and poor) who have millions of top quality resources (soon to be crap stuff) stocked.
2) Experimentation is being changed to a one-bar thingy.
No smith can make different armor than their neighbor smith.
No more separate experimentation on HAM costs, Base, Specials anymore.
Everyone is stuck with just one option.
3) Experimentation points are not needed anymore.
A 10 point smith will be able to make the same stuff as a 12 point, because again, it a one-bar thing and you can't experiment more than 10 points per item to begin with.
Something like this, I think... LOL
Message Edited by JediSpam on 04-12-2005 03:22 PM
Last I heard/read, the requirements were changed back from OQ/UT to OQ/SR. One small victory for the AS community.
WolfStrong-III wrote:
JediSpam wrote:
1) Armor schematics are being changed.
Certain resources that people have spent a fortune to stock are now crap.
There are many smiths (rich and poor) who have millions of top quality resources (soon to be crap stuff) stocked.
2) Experimentation is being changed to a one-bar thingy.
No smith can make different armor than their neighbor smith.
No more separate experimentation on HAM costs, Base, Specials anymore.
Everyone is stuck with just one option.
3) Experimentation points are not needed anymore.
A 10 point smith will be able to make the same stuff as a 12 point, because again, it a one-bar thing and you can't experiment more than 10 points per item to begin with.
Something like this, I think... LOL
Message Edited by JediSpam on 04-12-2005 03:22 PM
Last I heard/read, the requirements were changed back from OQ/UT to OQ/SR. One small victory for the AS community.
As i stated in my last post...it HAS BEEN CHANGED BACK.
The only thing that remains is that final combine is 33/33/33 with OQ/SR/DR as the stats needed
I started in July of last year and worked hard. Now I'm twelve points and have millions of resources socked away just like the big boys. I don't have some of the antique resources but I do just fine. I like armorsmith because it is complex. It is crafting for the thinking player. To me the proposed CURB system is lowering the complexity while bumping up the tedium. More work to make the same boring product as everyone else, no differentiation between someone who knows what they are doing and a dilletante.
SOE has stated that they want a game where you can log on and get right into the action without spending time looking for buffs or shopping for gear. Looks like crafting is heading in that direction, too, where you just need resources, not knowledge, to make something. That doesn't appeal to me.
I'm NOT shouting about how I'm going to cancel my account. I'm going to stick it out and see what the CURB is like in live. If armorsmithing stops being fun, I'm done. And since I have an alt or two to support my crafting, I don't know why they'd hang around either.