Armorsmith Archive

Thread: Wow never realized how much devs love you guys

Gooney
Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:51 am
#27

Boba,


What is the real problem here? Seems to me that your just pissed off that the drop loots in this game aren't EQ like loots.


Fact is that everything in the game of any quality at all is made by some sort of crafter. Its the basis of the whole economy. If they just started putting in uber loots it would completely blow out the economy. Even if it was just one item it would damage a segment of the player driven economy.


Having schematics drop for loots and loot items needed in thier construction is something I am against anyway. Now if the schematics could only be gained by doing a quest it would be ok, this would even improve the content of the game by having the crafter invest their time into getting a useful schematic and increasing thier repetiór.


I would much rather see things like the Sonic Blaster and RIS armour, etc be schematics that were gained at a certain skill level. Which could be improved by loot drop items. I really hate that things like the Carbineers elite weapon are quest items and that argueably the best pistoleer pvp pistol is a limited use loot schematic...a very rare one at that.


All and all what your complaining about is something that if changed would ruin the game for a huge amount of people. Not to mention undermine the whole economy bit by bit.


Essentially your complaining that your car cant fly...if you get what I mean.



The schematic drops have nothing to do with the amount of "Love" the devs have for crafters. Rather its the only way that the system will allow items to be introduced to the game world.


-Gooney






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giz-zard
Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:00 am
#28


mmm i must of brought the wrong schmatic last one i brought was only 3 use

tell me what theme park you did to get an unlimited one

Message Edited by giz-zard on 04-16-2004 04:01 AM

dsvella
Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:59 am
#29

boba you have a major case of missing the point


first off to craft GOOD armour u need a lot of knowledge. high quality resources. time and patience. people become crafters but cant hack it because they find it boring. i dont, i like numbers. i highly enjoy the business side of things.


you are obviously a combat man.


i agree that there should be more combat loot. non craftable guns for example. it would be nice. there is loot that without the schematics are worthless. kyrat stuff for example. and highly desirable loot. nightsister shards for example. ( i dropped 400k for s et of HQ ones)


i have only pistols 4 to protect myself from the mobs out there. i dont mind combat but i prefer crafting.


the devs dont love us. in fact quite the reverse. the hate us. look at PSG's and RIS armour 1 whole armour tree and a new type of armour that dont work.


if u dont like the fact the crafters provide you with your gun, armour, clothes and buildings, med as well. then push off and go and play UO. sounds like the gaem for you.



Bartuc Vanu
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ak420
Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:13 am
#30

two words



WAAAAAH!




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justapilgrim
Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:05 am
#31

I must admit that was the most 1 stars I saw in one thread


lol


SkinnyManDo

(battlemaster turned wussy crafter)

Stocking Composite, Ubese, Skinnyyykian armor, psgs, belts and now elite Tailor items

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also selling Grind and Elite resources, and lottery items




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DirthNader
Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:38 am
#32

People ask mewhyI "waste" skill points on my armorsmith with combat skills. Why I "waste" my time harvesting my own minerals, collecting my own hides. Why I "waste" my time and effort killing mobs for RIS drops. Sure, with an eight-digit bank account I could buy all of those things, but then I'd be exposed to people like the original poster.


Insulating yourself from ignorance is priceless.



The artist formerly known as Ittov
homebreu
Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:51 am
#33

I am 100% new to armorsmithing. I mean I am only at 0001 right now.


There is NO way in hell that any REAL crafter could just be sitting around waiting for the cash to just come rolling in BOBA.


I also have an alt that is a total combat character, so I do understand that getting this stuff, loot, resources or whatever is very time consuming and very difficult at times...


But make no mistake BOBA, it is much more difficult to make WELL crafted items that people will be willing to purchase, than it is being a combatant. Hell, it is much easier to master any combat profession than it is to master an elite crafting profession. We are not talking about the time factor here, we are talking about ease of mastership. What I mean is, combatants get to rome around having fun, risking lives and all around adventuring to level up. A crafter has to sit there and craft, and craft, and craft, and craft the same crappy stuff that does not sell well over and over and over and over until masterery. Then we get to begin to actually start crafting something worth wild.


I mean do you have any idea what it takes to craft a suit of 80% base resist armor, or even 50% for that matter? I don't either, but I sure as hell know how to make a real crappy set of Mabari... And it is noteasytomake even crappy armor.


It is not about the resources themselves either, it is about the major amounts of time you have to put into the actual crafting to even come close to knowing what you are doing, and then be able to repeat it again and again and again. Then keep improving upon

your knowledge base.

Then on top of that you have the gathering of everything you need to make whatever it is that you are making. This can only be done in a combination of 2 ways or both. You can purchase almost everything, but there are always certain things you can not. Or you can gather everything yourself and not purchase anything ever (Need at least 2 accounts or characters to do this though).


Ohh, and by everything, I mean LOTS of different types of resources and sub components that require certain resources as well.


The bottom line here is this...


You obviously have no idea what it entails to even be a crafter, nor doI think you ever care to. That is fine, but you must at least try and understand that if you were able to just go do a quest for everything you ever needed in SWG, then SWGwould not have any crafters in it at all.


Then everyone would haveexactly the same stuff, with very few variations.


Maybe that is the way you want it.


Well, I am not sure of the ratio, but I am sure at least 40% of the player base are crafters because they want to be, and not because the have to be. I could be wrong about that though...


Anyway, that is my 2 credits on this subject.



Zy...
"It's not how you pick your nose, It's where you put the booger"
Slider067
Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:58 am
#34

I get the impression that Boba thinks that crafting is simply putting things in the tool and out pops the finished product.


Let me assure you, this is not the case. There are several factors that go into the item crafted:


1 - Resource quality. It takes quite a bit of time to collect high quality resources to make a high quality product. Not to mention boosting the product with nice looted items. Have you tried keeping track of 50+ different resources and trying to determine if the new one is better than the one you have? Or spent any game time surveyng for resources and maintaining harvesters?


2- Experimenting and wasting some of those resources to see what the possibilites are. For armor, there are 3 different things that can be experimented on. Each changes a different attribute of the finished product. I average 3-4 sets of gloves for each different combination of natural resources. This can potentially mean 5 different combines using different resources...just to see how a pair of gloves will turn out. Mulitply that by the number of items I want to test.


3- Research and comparing notes with other crafters to avoid wasting the above mentioned resources/ loot drops. (This may seem redundant, but you'd have to try it to see what I mean..ie. failures.)


4 - Looking high and low for someone selling loot/resources to use.


5 - And finally. Keeping records of all of the above so you don't have to repeat it just because you forgot how the last one turned out.



BTW - I've been soloing Kimos for a few days now. I completely understand about armor/weapon decay, looking for buffs and searching for the animals. And guess what....I have to give my scythe/Tenloss rifle/Geonosian blaster/swordcoreschematic to a weaponsmith. My Painting schematic to an Archetect. My apron and exquisite leotard schematic to a tailor. Along with...power cubes, heavy leather, spider venom, Ackley bones...etc.








__________________________________________
Slyder, FS Master Crafter, 12point maker of brand-X armor 2894 5097 Tatooine
Come shop at SPS...it's just as good as the next guy's...
For a small fee, I'll train your chimpanzee how to make armor under the new system
Eryk
Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:36 am
#35






Boba-Fett30 wrote:

and i dont care what you think either...






Well, what a kiwinkidink! We don't care what YOU think either!


Anyone have this flake's name in game? I have an ignore list that is begging to find out...



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SOE Interviewer: It's half finished.
SOE Applicant: So are your products.
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Slider067
Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:50 am
#36

I wonder how the smiths on Gorath feel about your views Lance.


Do they continue to sell you armor or weapons?





__________________________________________
Slyder, FS Master Crafter, 12point maker of brand-X armor 2894 5097 Tatooine
Come shop at SPS...it's just as good as the next guy's...
For a small fee, I'll train your chimpanzee how to make armor under the new system
Lecivius
Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:57 am
#37

This guy sells his loot for millions (look up his posts), complains that crafters charge millions (notice a loop here?) and complains everywhere (pets, armor, droids).



Been a while since I've seen someone that so univerally needs to be /ignored. With all of his issues with this product, IMO I think he would be happier doing something else.





Vendor at 3054 2811 Naboo, East of Keren
Ainwyn
Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:20 pm
#38

Actually, I do wish they'd give a choice. Have a droid or whatever make that armor or weapon or whatever with mediocre resources, no experimentation, and minimal (i.e. below novice level) palette (as applicable). Then the combat-types who want absolutely nothing to do with anyone else can have their do-dad. But, those who want another human being to do the job of crafting can get a better item from a someone dedicated to crafting. Crafting generally invoves a lot more than just the looted item, it involves getting good resources *and knowing what is a good resource is a skill in itself, I think) and knowing just what combination of experimentation yields a good result (something most masters only begin to learn after they master and keep the profession). The droid produced item won't compete against something fashioned by a crafter, but it would be an instant solution.



Tess (Ainwyn) Dle'kkar
12 point, RIS certified, Master Armorsmith
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Eryk
Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:50 pm
#39





SOE Applicant: Here is my resume.
SOE Interviewer: It's half finished.
SOE Applicant: So are your products.
SOE Interviewer: You're hired.

- I support killing your Jedi, over and over.
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