Armorsmith Archive

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Limbonik wrote:

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Thunderheart wrote:

Upon further review from our art department, the Maurader armor will not work for the Wookiees without substantial adjustment. In light of this, we have decided to go ahead and create Wookiee specific armor. We are going to add brand new, never-seen-before, craftable armor for Wookiees. We will have this ready and pushed to live sometime between Publish 7 and Publish 8.

/wookieeroar

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Talk about slapping canon in the face, Thunderheart. I wonder who authorizes something that breaks the continuity of the timeline like this? I highly doubt George Lucas would approve.

Anyways, onto my post. I have posted this several times throughout seperate forums but will do so again. I will attempt to give everyone a happy "middle ground" in my ideas on Wookies, armour, and the canon of a pop-culture phenomenon that nobody should be given the right to change at will. Here we go:

Wookies can be made armoured just the same as any other human player...if implemented correctly. When I say implemented, what I mean is by trying to give "both" sides of the arguement nothing to argue about (wookies want armour, non-wookies seek "canon"), making the issue moot. This is my suggestion:

The Wookie Bandolier

The Wookie bandolier (WB from here on out) would be considered (guesswork mostly at this stage) the "chest plate" of the wookie armour. This item could be made by Armoursmiths, and given Resist/Encumerances to reflect armour.

But I see what you wookies are getting ready to say already: "W.T.F.? That's just a chestplate, we wookies want a full suit of armour, like humans get." So, here comes part II of my bandolier idea:

The Wookie Bandolier Cartridge

The WBC would be in a nutshell, the other pieces of armour. These would also be made by Armoursmiths, and given the Resist/Enc wanted, and then could be made to "drag and drop" onto the WB and (once attached) they are forever. Just like any other armour, you would have to purchase a new WB and WBC in order to make another armour type that would benefit you in a different situation (much like we should need more than one type of armour as well.) the WBC would take no "space" in the WB, which would also be dual-purposed as a "backpack" for wookies as well. The WBC would also be able to use armour tapes in their construction.

By using a situation such as above, I can see the ability to give Wookies what they need, which IMO is armour and not AR1. This also benefits the humans/fanboys of the game that feel wookies shouldn't be running around looking like everyone else and their mothers. This also compliments the game overall, as it provides wookies with armour, fanboys with their "canon" and keeps the players ingame looking more "varied" overall...as as it stands, most everyone looks identical in their Composite armour (lack of variance is a major flaw in this game.)

Oh, and while you're at it TH: Fix all armour. Each type of armour should provide benefits on different types of damage. Tell me again what the point is in having what, 7 or so types of damage available, but having a suit of composite that provides 80% resistance to everything. Make each suit of armour matter, and make each suit of armour weak to certain types of damage. Or we will forever live in a world where everyone wears composite, and Wookies look like "tall, hairy humans in armour."

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so what's the problem with this idea again? i fail to see any flaws

bandolier has 8 "armor" slots and 50 inventory slots

case closed

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TheBlur wrote:

Yes... after 9 months, of screaming about having a level playing field. YES, I for one am incredibly sensitive when it comes to this issue. I am excited and eager to finally NOT die in two shots. I am very excited to see.. you have been hit for 700 but your X has blocked 500.. rather then the current system of.. You have been hit for 700 (tough luck).

Ive watched you post numerous posts within this thread fighting us, because you dont like the continuity factor or whatever your private agenda is. So what .. its a game, its not the movie. I for one dont care IF episode 3 has wookiee's wearing armor or not... THIS game should offer equivalent protection. It is ridiculous to assume anything otherwise. The people griefing this thread, like yourself, i believe have an alternate agenda. They dont want their go-to faction farm to go away. When pvp'ing see a wookiee and get a free 45 points.Perhaps that is not the case with you, but nevertheless, you seem to have the private agenda to come into this thread and post your grief for whatever reason.Now there is the potential (if they dont manage to find a way to skrew the pooch on it) that we may actually be competitive. So yes, again, I am incredibly sensitive over it.

And as for what you accept, I dont really care what YOU accept or not, just know that its coming, and we as a race our incredibly happy over the dev's FINALLY responding. And finally, the "trolling" attribute is hung unto you because of your behavior, after TH's post, of constantly disparaging and denigrating the replies in this thread. Again, if you want to do that.. goto your galaxy forum, and whip up a frenzy there with your fellowwookiee armor haters. Just dont come into our thread here and greif.

PS there is two E's in wookiee

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Settle down there big fella. Agenda? "Yes, I am anti-wookie and have been all my life. My father raised me that way, as he told me that wookies stole our livestock. I was secretly spreading the anti-wookie agenda whenever I post, but seeing as how you have figured out my oh-so-secret plans I will need to go to Plan B."

Message Edited by Jeassa on 03-10-2004 02:12 PM

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eelektrik wrote:
It better be some damn high encumberance armor since Wookies have higher stats then everyone else. And it should still have less protection then the average non-wookie armor, again for the same reason, they already have more HAM then everyone else so they should get less protection to keep it balanced.

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WE DONT HAVE HIGHER SECONDARY STATS YOU MORON-

THEY ARE CAPPED!!!

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ReptileSpit wrote:

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Corsica_DarkCloud wrote:

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ReptileSpit wrote:

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TheBlur wrote:

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ReptileSpit wrote:

...Doesnt matter what he wrote, he's a race griefer with nothing better to do with his time then troll our posting here attempting to rain on our parade....

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Hey ReptileSpit,

Go troll another posting, and let us have our moment without interference from the squid.

So far Ive come across at least 7 of your posts while reading thru this thread.

You offer nothing but race griefing, and put downs.

That is your right to do so, just do it in your galaxy board, or somewhere else.

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Yikes.Tad bit on thesensitive side aren't we?

I'm just trying to sort the BS from the facts. If you've read anything I've posted you would have known I am all for helping out wookies. But God forbid I question anything here.

How is asking for proof on certain 'rumors' proudly proclaimed as facts in Episode 3 and questioning if metallic shoulder pads = official George Lucas approval that wookies should wear full armor 'trolling'? I guess you're right, I should just blindly accept anything posted here because wookies want armor.

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Regardless of Wookiee proof of armor within the movies or the EU, where do we ever see anything about a Master Chef in 80% composite whooping a Wookiee around? Episode 3 or not, I cant imagine carrying a swamp rancor in my backpack is very much a Star Wars thing either. This is really about balance. The devs could have chose to give us a natural armor ability, but they chose a different avenue. The basis of one Wookiee making the rules for the entire species is ludicrous. The Star Wars tale is ever expanding....

I guess in episode 3 Obi-Wan and Anakin will be duking it out in composite armor while twirling lightsabers and popping muons. Where is the "eyes rolling" icon when you need it?

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Ugg. That's not the point at all. Please re-read my posts.

Nobody was proudly claiming that Obi-Wan and Anakin would be fighting in composite in this thread. Folks WERE claiming that wookies would be running around in armor in Episode 3 and that this was somehow mysteriously confirmed as a fact. All I am doing is saying "Hey, wait a minute....that's not confirmed at all".

Again, am I simply to accept as fact everything posted in this thread simply because wookies want armor?

"Wookies should have armor because of balance issues" = GOOD ARGUMENT

"Wookies should have armor because its confirmed that wookies wear armor in Episode 3" = BAD ARGUMENT

"Wookies should have armor because there's an EU story in which a wookie wears metallic shoulder pads that may or may not be mandelorian armor" = BAD ARGUMENT

Ok?

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TheBlur wrote:

Message Edited by Jeassa on 03-10-2004 02:12 PM

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AudioOrgana wrote:

As long as you deny that 700 HAM is a bonus and keep this "REPRESSED!" attitude, the longer it's going to take for a) people to take you as seriously as you ask to be taken, and b) denying the advantage you have leads people, correctly or not, to believe that you are protecting something so it doesn't get nerfed or taken into consideration because you espouse that it does not matter.

Stop being so irate and militant - you finally have actual, red-name, in-development attention. Use it wisely.

Audio

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I have a wookiee primary and a human alt. This is what I noticed. The wookiee was at an advantage, because of the extra HAM, when I first walked off the shuttle with my cdef and a melon compared to my human. As the two characters progressed it quickly became the case that the human was at more of an advantage than my wookiee and that, once both were at the height of their professions, the extra HAM my wookiee had made very little difference against another elite profession.

I've said this before.

There would have to be alot of changes besides the addition of some armor, that I've also said I expect to be relatively week, before our extra HAM made us the new uber species and put everyone else at an disadvantage.

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AudioOrgana wrote:

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cshauny wrote:
The argument that our extra HAM balances things out is even stupider. The person who makes such as argument has obviously not gone into great detail about the difference.

As someone earlier said, it's funny how some players crawl out of the woodwork and talk about 'balance' now when they were nowhere to be seen for the past 6-7 months when we were totally gimped in PvP. Hypocites.

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Do you guys read what some of your wookie pals are saying?

Is this the way to sway people to your side of thinking?

This thread has been edited several times for immature behavior (w, 100 O's, and a T is immature), and insulting and calling people hypocrites for commenting on a game-wide issue isn't helping your cause.

1) This is now not an idea, it is in the Development Forum - and it's a balance decision that effects everyone. Of course people are going to comment now.

2) You also do not help your cause by denying that your extra-HAM is an advantage.

I've heard ALL the arguments about this (and actually listened), and what I hear is "It's nothing, move along."

I haven't seen many people in this thread say what you have, what I have overwhelmingly heard is that people would be upset if you were given the equivalent of 90% composite IN ADDITION to your additional HAM. That's a stereotype in the first place, thinking that everyone but you is running around in 90% composite.

As long as you deny that 700 HAM is a bonus and keep this "REPRESSED!" attitude, the longer it's going to take for a) people to take you as seriously as you ask to be taken, and b) denying the advantage you have leads people, correctly or not, to believe that you are protecting something so it doesn't get nerfed or taken into consideration because you espouse that it does not matter.

Stop being so irate and militant - you finally have actual, red-name, in-development attention. Use it wisely.

Audio

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Audio,

Do us all a favor and do the math on here to show us how the extra HAM bonus setsWookiees apart from other classes.

Compare for example a Wookiee and human with full buffs and and both wearing composite 75% armor. I am too new to do the math or I would do it myself. You seem to know enough. Show off some of this knowledge and prove someone wrong other than just saying the HAM makes a difference. Let's see and face the facts up front.

Concerning any immaturity on the parts of Wookiee posters, re-read the thread and notice a good bit of immaturity is coming from other classes already calling for a nerf on armor they know nothing about.

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StarRunner wrote:

oh yeah (even if the above were true...) but it was fine as long as the wookiees were at the "severe disadvantage"?

you make me sick

Oh bite me wookiees have 700, not 70 not 7 but fricking 700 extra ham points available to them. With proper stat migration wookiees were near invulnerable anyways. Add on top of that doc buffs and a shield gen there is NO reason for them to have armor.

Your statement that wookiees were at a severe disadvantage show your ineptitude with understanding the mechanics of the game and inability to grasp the concepts of proper stat migration. I bet you are one of those children walking around with 1200 to your main stats and 200 or so to your secondaries. You sir are a motard.

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ReptileSpit wrote:

"Wookies should have armor because of balance issues" = GOOD ARGUMENT

My Primary Point.

"Wookies should have armor because its mysteriously confirmed that wookies wear armor in Episode 3" = BAD ARGUMENT

Only come's up when people disagree with my primary point...well...I just ignore these people but you see what I'm saying.

"Wookies should have armor because there's an EU story in which a wookie wears metallic shoulder pads that may or may not be mandelorian armor" = BAD ARGUMENT

Really, this is a better point than you give it credit. Artists are notoriously bad and warping the contents of books into something it isn't. So while the artist's rendition my just look like metallic shoulder pads (which would still protect some vital organs) the books refer to it as armor and evidence in other parts of the EU point to it as mandelorian.

Yes, I've obviously made the horrible mistake of looking for the truth and not blindly accepting lame arguments and BS statements. If this hurts your feelings or offends you in any way, I deeply and truly apologize for myterrible actions. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me. I will in the future keep quiet and be a blind fanboy in any thread, not dare questioning anything.

Seriously, if you are that sensitive over a game you may want to find a less stressful hobby

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cshauny wrote:

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AudioOrgana wrote:

This isn't the first place where people have shouted out for 'balance' and 'don't give Wookies armour' and use the words 'continuity' so easily. When it suits people, they keep quiet. When it doesn't, they shout for 'balance'. That is hypocricy.

2) You also do not help your cause by denying that your extra-HAM is an advantage.

Please tell me how our extra HAM is an advantage. i've said this time and again, by capping our secondaries the extra HAM that we have is totall negated. Just because we have 700 more points than a human does not mean that we can take enough poitns from one pool to another. The caps prevent that. This makes a human still have better stats than a Wookie. Don't just take the extra HAM at face value and call it an advantage because it isn't.

I've heard ALL the arguments about this (and actually listened), and what I hear is "It's nothing, move along."

I haven't seen many people in this thread say what you have, what I have overwhelmingly heard is that people would be upset if you were given the equivalent of 90% composite IN ADDITION to your additional HAM. That's a stereotype in the first place, thinking that everyone but you is running around in 90% composite.

If you had listened (to my posts atleast) you would see that I have clearly expressed that I don't give a damn if our extra HAM is eaten up. All I want is even half-decent armour to be on a level playing field. As it stands right now, I would die very quickly against an armoured opponent. With armour, I stand a very good chance against him. My extra HAM, take it away if it makes you and everyone else happy. Hell, it would be good if they take it away just so people can stop complaining along those lines.

As long as you deny that 700 HAM is a bonus and keep this "REPRESSED!" attitude, the longer it's going to take for a) people to take you as seriously as you ask to be taken, and b) denying the advantage you have leads people, correctly or not, to believe that you are protecting something so it doesn't get nerfed or taken into consideration because you espouse that it does not matter.

Stop being so irate and militant - you finally have actual, red-name, in-development attention. Use it wisely.

Please don't preach to me. There are posts in this thread alone that show that the extra HAM is useless. I've tested this in-game myself many times over by doing multiple stat migrations. In all instances, the extra HAM turns out to be useless. People seem to be oddly mistaken that 700 more HAM means that we can take all that into Health or whatever else and thus wear even high encumberance armour so that we ahve a greated advantage. We can't. Seriously, the people who argue on those lines should try taking a Wookie character on another server and see what it's like. I've tested this out myself so atleast I have some conclusive proof that it's useless.

As I said earlier, i'd rather the devs take away our extra HAM just so people stop complaining about it.

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