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Thread: Wookiee armor
StarRunner wrote:
oh yeah (even if the above were true...) but it was fine as long as the wookiees were at the "severe disadvantage"?
you make me sick
Oh bite me wookiees have 700, not 70 not 7 but fricking 700 extra ham points available to them. With proper stat migration wookiees were near invulnerable anyways. Add on top of that doc buffs and a shield gen there is NO reason for them to have armor.
Your statement that wookiees were at a severe disadvantage show your ineptitude with understanding the mechanics of the game and inability to grasp the concepts of proper stat migration. I bet you are one of those children walking around with 1200 to your main stats and 200 or so to your secondaries. You sir are a motard.
Invulnerable because of 700 HAM? That is plain and simple an ignorant statement. Have you ever attacked a target that had no resists to your damage type? You can take down a 30k ham critter easy.... 700 HAM is nothing. Especially after buffs, you do realize buffs are random? You do realize that you can easily vary 3000 HAM points on buffs? (2500 times 6 vs. 2000 x 6 = 3000 in case you can't do the math). You know that means a buff wookiee may very well have 2300 less HAM than a buffed human/bothan etc. So where is the advantage?
And on stat migration, you do realize that wookiees secondaries are capped, right? I just reread your post again, it really doesn't even deserve a response it is so ignorant....
StarRunner wrote:
oh yeah (even if the above were true...) but it was fine as long as the wookiees were at the "severe disadvantage"?
you make me sick
Oh bite me wookiees have 700, not 70 not 7 but fricking 700 extra ham points available to them. With proper stat migration wookiees were near invulnerable anyways. Add on top of that doc buffs and a shield gen there is NO reason for them to have armor.
Your statement that wookiees were at a severe disadvantage show your ineptitude with understanding the mechanics of the game and inability to grasp the concepts of proper stat migration. I bet you are one of those children walking around with 1200 to your main stats and 200 or so to your secondaries. You sir are a motard.
Wow, a little harsh I would say.
You do mention stat bonus and migration. If we had higher caps on our secondaries this would truely be a bonus.
As well, you mention PSG's. If they could fix these so that they actually had a bit higher resists than the 20-30% range and made them actually made them work. Combining that with my earlier post to nerf Doctor buffs in half, this may in my opinion restore balance to all.
no it doesnt compensate for armor
the devs chose to give us armor... you will all have to live with it basically
The devs chose not to give you armor and all I heard from most wookiees every damned day I NEED ARMOR... WAAAAAHHHHH You didnt live with it and whined like some spoiled 5 year old DO NOT tell me to live with another pathetic decision. You are a hypocrite.
And for your musings about if anyone else ever played a wookiee or currently plays a wookiee I had a wookiee adn was a master bounty hunter long before the fixes came into the game. Prior to that I was a master CH/Pistoleer as a wookiee, I won more times than I lsot in pvp and I very rarely ever used buffs. Because you feel that you are week shows that you are incapable of making a template or playing the game that stacks the bonuses in your favor.
AudioOrgana wrote:
Do you guys read what some of your wookie pals are saying?
Do you see what the others are saying? There are two sides to this coin and when people come in here arguing against us getting armour because they no longer have their favourite target practise, it does get very frustrating
Is this the way to sway people to your side of thinking?
This thread has been edited several times for immature behavior (w, 100 O's, and a T is immature), and insulting and calling people hypocrites for commenting on a game-wide issue isn't helping your cause.
1) This is now not an idea, it is in the Development Forum - and it's a balance decision that effects everyone. Of course people are going to comment now.
This isn't the first place where people have shouted out for 'balance' and 'don't give Wookies armour' and use the words 'continuity' so easily. When it suits people, they keep quiet. When it doesn't, they shout for 'balance'. That is hypocricy.
2) You also do not help your cause by denying that your extra-HAM is an advantage.
Please tell me how our extra HAM is an advantage. i've said this time and again, by capping our secondaries the extra HAM that we have is totall negated. Just because we have 700 more points than a human does not mean that we can take enough poitns from one pool to another. The caps prevent that. This makes a human still have better stats than a Wookie. Don't just take the extra HAM at face value and call it an advantage because it isn't.
I've heard ALL the arguments about this (and actually listened), and what I hear is "It's nothing, move along."
I haven't seen many people in this thread say what you have, what I have overwhelmingly heard is that people would be upset if you were given the equivalent of 90% composite IN ADDITION to your additional HAM. That's a stereotype in the first place, thinking that everyone but you is running around in 90% composite.
If you had listened (to my posts atleast) you would see that I have clearly expressed that I don't give a damn if our extra HAM is eaten up. All I want is even half-decent armour to be on a level playing field. As it stands right now, I would die very quickly against an armoured opponent. With armour, I stand a very good chance against him. My extra HAM, take it away if it makes you and everyone else happy. Hell, it would be good if they take it away just so people can stop complaining along those lines.
As long as you deny that 700 HAM is a bonus and keep this "REPRESSED!" attitude, the longer it's going to take for a) people to take you as seriously as you ask to be taken, and b) denying the advantage you have leads people, correctly or not, to believe that you are protecting something so it doesn't get nerfed or taken into consideration because you espouse that it does not matter.
Stop being so irate and militant - you finally have actual, red-name, in-development attention. Use it wisely.
Please don't preach to me. There are posts in this thread alone that show that the extra HAM is useless. I've tested this in-game myself many times over by doing multiple stat migrations. In all instances, the extra HAM turns out to be useless. People seem to be oddly mistaken that 700 more HAM means that we can take all that into Health or whatever else and thus wear even high encumberance armour so that we ahve a greated advantage. We can't. Seriously, the people who argue on those lines should try taking a Wookie character on another server and see what it's like. I've tested this out myself so atleast I have some conclusive proof that it's useless.
As I said earlier, i'd rather the devs take away our extra HAM just so people stop complaining about it.
StarRunner wrote:
no it doesnt compensate for armor
the devs chose to give us armor... you will all have to live with it basically
The devs chose not to give you armor and all I heard from most wookiees every damned day I NEED ARMOR... WAAAAAHHHHH You didnt live with it and whined like some spoiled 5 year old DO NOT tell me to live with another pathetic decision. You are a hypocrite.
And for your musings about if anyone else ever played a wookiee or currently plays a wookiee I had a wookiee adn was a master bounty hunter long before the fixes came into the game. Prior to that I was a master CH/Pistoleer as a wookiee, I won more times than I lsot in pvp and I very rarely ever used buffs. Because you feel that you are week shows that you are incapable of making a template or playing the game that stacks the bonuses in your favor.
I guess you will have to live with wookiees with armor 
ReptileSpit wrote:
Yikes.Tad bit on thesensitive side aren't we?
I'm just trying to sort the BS from the facts. If you've read anything I've posted you would have known I am all for helping out wookies. But God forbid I question anything here.
How is asking for proof on certain 'rumors' proudly proclaimed as facts in Episode 3 and questioning if metallic shoulder pads = official George Lucas approval that wookies should wear full armor 'trolling'? I guess you're right, I should just blindly accept anything posted here because wookies want armor.
Yes... after 9 months, of screaming about having a level playing field. YES, I for one am incredibly sensitive when it comes to this issue. I am excited and eager to finally NOT die in two shots. I am very excited to see.. you have been hit for 700 but your X has blocked 500.. rather then the current system of.. You have been hit for 700 (tough luck).
Ive watched you post numerous posts within this thread fighting us, because you dont like the continuity factor or whatever your private agenda is. So what .. its a game, its not the movie. I for one dont care IF episode 3 has wookiee's wearing armor or not... THIS game should offer equivalent protection. It is ridiculous to assume anything otherwise. The people griefing this thread, like yourself, i believe have an alternate agenda. They dont want their go-to faction farm to go away. When pvp'ing see a wookiee and get a free 45 points.Perhaps that is not the case with you, but nevertheless, you seem to have the private agenda to come into this thread and post your grief for whatever reason.Now there is the potential (if they dont manage to find a way to skrew the pooch on it) that we may actually be competitive. So yes, again, I am incredibly sensitive over it.
And as for what you accept, I dont really care what YOU accept or not, just know that its coming, and we as a race our incredibly happy over the dev's FINALLY responding. And finally, the "trolling" attribute is hung unto you because of your behavior, after TH's post, of constantly disparaging and denigrating the replies in this thread. Again, if you want to do that.. goto your galaxy forum, and whip up a frenzy there with your fellowwookiee armor haters. Just dont come into our thread here and greif.
PS there is two E's in wookiee
Limbonik wrote:
Dumb idea.
You cant have a backpack AND a bandolier on at the same time..
Survey says.... X
That's rich. Anotherindividual who does not understand that a backpack and a bandolier both carry items in this game. Have you ever wore a bandolier, or did you just assume you knew what you were speaking of? I'm seriously at a lossas to how 2seperate individuals have responded solely with "you can't wear a backpack" and just dumped the idea.
Let me try to put this across again, and maybe (we can hope) it sinks in for you:
eelektrik wrote:
It better be some damn high encumberance armor since Wookies have higher stats then everyone else. And it should still have less protection then the average non-wookie armor, again for the same reason, they already have more HAM then everyone else so they should get less protection to keep it balanced.
As I have been saying over and over mate, the extra HAM 'bonus' does nothing for us since our secondaries are capped. This prevents us from migrating our stats properly to enable us to effectively wear armour if the encumberance is high.
StarRunner wrote:
Another thing, nowhere did the devs ever mention that Wookies cannot wear armour so the argument that we took up Wookies as a species and then argued our way to getting armour is a stupid point.
You are WRONG! thats all there is to it... It was stated WAY back... long before you jumped into the game that the reason wookiees would NEVER have armor was a game balance issue. Wookiees have an additional ham bonus of 700 points that when properly migrated makes the wookiee very powerful.