Armorsmith Archive
Thread: Wookiee armor
The Core Systems forum has many posts with information on Wookies wearing armour. And for those who make their arguments based on the movies, it has been reported that Episode III will include Wookies wearing armour.
To those who argue that Wookies can't wear armour because they are primitive, you can stop talking right now. Wookies have a very advanced technology and make for some of the best starship engineers.
Also, crafting armour is not some extrememely advanced technology. In one of the EU books, there is mention of Rancors wearing armour as well. If a creature of their incredible frame can wear armour, then there is no reason why a Wookie cannot.
Another thing, nowhere did the devs ever mention that Wookies cannot wear armour so the argument that we took up Wookies as a species and then argued our way to getting armour is a stupid point.
The argument that our extra HAM balances things out is even stupider. The person who makes such as argument has obviously not gone into great detail about the difference.
As someone earlier said, it's funny how some players crawl out of the woodwork and talk about 'balance' now when they were nowhere to be seen for the past 6-7 months when we were totally gimped in PvP. Hypocites.
Seriously, did you even take a moment to read what I posted? Go back and re-read it and tell methat my post did not say that the bandolier would function just like a backpack. (That means it would hold stuff. You know, like all the other bandoliers already in-game?)
josfe wrote:
I do however support Limbonik's theory to a great extent. Give the wookies the exact defense bonuses that an armor suit would give, however keep it on a bandolier. Let the wookies be unique from the other thousands of players running around in full composite suits, but give them the same bonuses as the suit. I'm sure the art team can work up something in a matter of minutes.
Ahh yes give us our defenses on a bandoleer which we can't wear with a backpack on. Good intentions but it's not going to work for us.
Tobuchazzabak wrote:
I for one am all for Wookiees getting armor in the "current" game system. A system were the standard armor is comp with AR2 and seemingly high resists. As well having doctors buffing people for upward to 3000 on stats. Simply without the ability to wear armor wookiees outright are totally gimped.
However, thinking back to the months 1-3 of SWG, this was not as severe an issue. I would winas muchpvp battles as I lost. Balance, was there in my opinion.
After master doc buffswent from 1000-1500 to 2000-3000 and comp armorwent from 30-45% resist to 60-90% things have gotten out of whack drastically.
Is it possible to restore balance by reducing the max resists on comp armor and buff ranges for doctors. If that was possible, maybe there would be no need for the armor not just for wookiees but also we could get away from the present reality of everyone wearing comp armor.
Actually thinking about this as I type, just limiting Doc buffs would solve alot of problems. Non-wookiees could wear armor but not being uber buffed would mean that this may not be the best protection because of the trade off in encumberance. You would see a lot more variation in what people would wear in armor as they would have to wiegh the encumberance factor into the equation, as they don't need to think about now.
Just a thought.
Yeah this is exactly right. If armor and buffs were about half as effective this wouldn't be such an issue. But as you say, with buffs as they are there is literally no downside to wearing armor. I can wear a unsliced full suit of composite and spam any specials I want without my bars moving. WIth that scenario the standard situation now, wookiees have to be given armor, plain and simple. Anyone advocating no armor for wookiees without saying armor and buffs need to be nerfed is just a person that likes having easy targets to kill or that doesn't understand this game at all.
all the people saying that wookies will be overpowered should hold their words, because no one has seen this armor, know how hard it will be to make... we dont have any specs on it at all. For all we know it could consist of only a chest plate... as for keeping a star warsy feel, well you have to let the artist come up with a decent looking armor. and im sure they wont come out with a comp like armor either.
just hold your breath, and be happy devs have finally heard our voices. I for one, am glad to see that they have listened to us, and made some change accordingly...
of course, we might get some useless armor, compared to comp, but its a step in the right direction for sure. I wouldnt even ask for something close to comp armor...
anyways.. all just relax before we see the actual stats, till then, its really pointless to argue wether or not wookies will be the uber toon from now on
ReptileSpit wrote:
TheBlur wrote:
ReptileSpit wrote:
...Doesnt matter what he wrote, he's a race griefer with nothing better to do with his time then troll our posting here attempting to rain on our parade....
Hey ReptileSpit,
Go troll another posting, and let us have our moment without interference from the squid.
So far Ive come across at least 7 of your posts while reading thru this thread.
You offer nothing but race griefing, and put downs.
That is your right to do so, just do it in your galaxy board, or somewhere else.
Yikes.Tad bit on thesensitive side aren't we?
I'm just trying to sort the BS from the facts. If you've read anything I've posted you would have known I am all for helping out wookies. But God forbid I question anything here.
How is asking for proof on certain 'rumors' proudly proclaimed as facts in Episode 3 and questioning if metallic shoulder pads = official George Lucas approval that wookies should wear full armor 'trolling'? I guess you're right, I should just blindly accept anything posted here because wookies want armor.
I'll second that!!
SiliconSmiley wrote:
/cheer Thunderheart
/cheer KStarfire
/cheer SOE Art Dept. (/wink /wink)
/wookieeroar
Long live Kashyyyk!
The wookiees shall rise again!
Ewrrl
Limbonik wrote:
That's rich. Anotherindividual who does not understand that a backpack and a bandolier both carry items in this game. Have you ever wore a bandolier, or did you just assume you knew what you were speaking of? I'm seriously at a lossas to how 2seperate individuals have responded solely with "you can't wear a backpack" and just dumped the idea.
Let me try to put this across again, and maybe (we can hope) it sinks in for you:
You can store items in a Backpack.
You can also store items in a Bandolier.
I've never worn a bandolier so I can't really tell. Either way though, I like your idea. It might be harder for the devs to program but in the end, it's still a pretty cool idea.
I would like to add that slots should also be made for Armour Attachment SEAs. We have been seariously left out in this regard and this is one issue that many Wookies mention. It's really sad when I have millions in my account but I can't spend any of it on the AA SEA's that I want.
Other than that though, your bandolier idea is a pretty good one.
I find it amazing that all of you respond with "don't listen to the whiners" when all you wookies have done is whine in every single forum on these boards. You've spammed non-stop, and even the Moderators won't do their jobs and place your specific issues in Core Systems. I've seen comments about "Wookies need armour", "Wookies should keep their bonuses too", "We can just increase the encumberance on the armour instead" - Wrong. You need to lose the bonuses if you get armour. Adding encumberances is not the same thing in this game, as when you place a wookie and any other race together without armour then those bonuses become glaringly real. And don't whine about "But buffs this" - Take that up with the Developers - Buffs are so far out of proportion it isn't even funny. Much like the standard armour already in the game. I mean **edit**, let's just throw out all the armour-types and just use Composite - that's all anyone uses as it's capable of providing high resistance to every type of damage the game has. Pre-existing armour needs to be redesigned first and foremost before they just "drop" a new type of race-specific armour into an already horribly constructed armour-classed system.
That is a pretty rash and harsh generalization there. To say that all of us whine is an unfair comment. I am a Wookie AND a Smuggler so I know very well what it is like to be promised attention and not get it. However, I and many others have conducted ourselves very well IMO. We've laid out proper plans and ideas for the soon to be developed armour system.
It's irritating when people dismiss our ideas right now without even bothering to even realise that these are just proposals for the devs.
By the way, since you wanted to try to get something to sink into the poster you were replying to, let me try to get this to sink into you:
The HAM bonus is USELESS! Yes, it is useless. This is because our secondaries are capped. We have a total of 700 more points to spend but what's the point when our secondaries are capped. We can't take points out of one pool to migrate to another efficiently. A human on the other hand can do it easily. So, it doesn't make a difference.
Say a human faced up against a Wookie and both were withour armour, putting all relative combat skills aside, the human would still have the better chance purely because humans don't have the secondary caps that we do. that absically makes your arguments about not putting additional encumberance moot.
I personally don't give a damn as to whether or not our HAM 'bonuses' get eaten up. I just want armour so that I can be on a level playing field with everyone else.
But in the end, you prove that whining is greater than canon - I'm sure that's something George Lucas would be horrified by. And for the guy who said "Who cares what George thinks?" - Well...you better care what George thinks. Star Wars and it's story is only "licensed" to SOE, that does not give SOE the right to destroy the story in any way, shape or form. Don't believe me, here's a good example:
Darkhorse Comics is the publisher of several Star Wars "EU" comics. There was a point where the creative team was working on a story line dealing with Wookies and an unexplainable, inherent ability to the Force. At this time in history, Lucas still had plans to do Episodes VII - IX. At the end of Episode IX, Lucas was going to reveal a very interesting "twist" to the force, and how it tied into the Wookies. Darkhorse had no clue of what Lucas was planning, but they are required to bring their work to Lucas for reviewal prior to release, as Lucas reserves the final say on everything involving the Star Wars universe. Well, Lucas saw what was going on at Darkhorse and placed the whole line of comics on lockdown.
If you're not careful, you may see the very same thing occur here as well.
Ok, this really does have to stop. Everybody uses this pointless argument against us getting armour and I really don't get why - especially when they contradict themselves all the time.
IS it Star Wars canon that Wookies can't wear armour? Let's see if you can make any argument other than, "But Chewie didn't...". Atleastthere are atleast SOME EU references to Wookies wearing armour.
And George is going to put a lockdown here because we Wookies are getting armour. What nonsense is this?!? What about the number of Jedi running around on each server and all the glaringly obvious things that detract from what a true Star Wars game should be like? There are countless other things both in this game and in the EU books that contracdict a lot of what George has come up with. Is Wookie armour one of those things? NO IT ISN'T! George never said anything about Wookies not being able to wear armour so that should be enough for those who use that baseless argument.
Do you know why Wookies keep using the EU as a reference? It's because of the rest of the players out there who toss the mindless argument that Wookies wearing armour goes against the 'continutity' based on nothing. Atleast we are using something to our benefit. I doubt George would care either way whether Wookies can wear armour or not. The only ones who do are:
1) Wookies in this game who have been gimped since launch and want to be on a level playing field.
2) The morons who don't want us on that level playing field purely because they lost their favourite target practise.
The bottom-line is this:
Wookies wearing armour is NOT something that goes against 'continuity'. The sooner people get that through their heads, the sooner things will settle down here.
But hey, continue to tell us that we should not whine when all you have done is whine. Wookies in this game are far from the noble species portrayed in the films, quite a few of you are nothing more than Hypocrites.
It's funny that you call some Wookies hypocrites now. So many others have started crawling out of the woodwork crying out for 'balance' because Wookies getting armour will screw everything overe. Where were all of them when we were broken since launch? No where, because they were happy that they were able to one-shot us to death. Now that we can actually be on a level playing field, they call for balance. What a bunch of **edit**ing hypocrites. Those people don't even know what kind of system the devs are going to implement and they are already crying out.
Most of us have gone through the proper channels ie. the Core Systems, where we have put forth all our ideas and with the help of KStar who pushed the idea through to the devs right to the end, we got what we wanted. If you don't support the idea, then fine. Just don't blame it on whining when a lot of us have taken the time and effort to come up with reasoned and comprehensive ideas to push to the devs.
cshauny wrote:
The argument that our extra HAM balances things out is even stupider. The person who makes such as argument has obviously not gone into great detail about the difference.
As someone earlier said, it's funny how some players crawl out of the woodwork and talk about 'balance' now when they were nowhere to be seen for the past 6-7 months when we were totally gimped in PvP. Hypocites.
Is this the way to sway people to your side of thinking?
ReptileSpit wrote:
Ugg. That's not the point at all. Please re-read my posts.
Nobody was proudly claiming that Obi-Wan and Anakin would be fighting in composite in this thread. Folks WERE claiming that wookies would be running around in armor in Episode 3 and that this was somehow mysteriously confirmed as a fact. All I am doing is saying "Hey, wait a minute....that's not confirmed at all".
Again, am I simply to accept as fact everything posted in this thread simply because wookies want armor?
"Wookies should have armor because of balance issues" = GOOD ARGUMENT
"Wookies should have armor because its confirmed that wookies wear armor in Episode 3" = BAD ARGUMENT
"Wookies should have armor because there's an EU story in which a wookie wears metallic shoulder pads that may or may not be mandelorian armor" = BAD ARGUMENT
Ok?
Lol, OK 
I guess we use those arguments solely because people who don't want us getting armour use baseless arguments such asit going against 'continuity' even though it hasn't been said anywhere that Wookies can't wear armour. Hell, even in this game, it isn't mentioned anywhere that Wookies can't wear armour. The devs just felt that the extra HAM made up for it. But, by capping our secondaries, it just made us all the more weaker. Thunderheart acknowledged thsi in November and it has taken us this long to get a 'fix'.
Frustrating? Very. But i'm a smuggler. We take frustration to an even greater scale 
thinking that 700 more ham equates to a 70% (i wont use the 90% since its not so common) armor is ludicrous. Wookies cant really delve into the geonosian cave, while every other race can. PSG's are broken and available to everyone, as are doc buffs. Yes we have 700 very usefull more stats
no it doesnt compensate for armor
the devs chose to give us armor... you will all have to live with it basically
i wonder if those who are all saying wookie armor is a bad idea have actually played one, and gotten to high enough profession, to see how truely weaker we are..
