Armorsmith Archive
Thread: afk crafting
Eiboes wrote:
(i)I'm sorry to have to say this,but you guys actually saying things like you feel a real sense of achievement playing these games and grinding all hours you have free (ii)makes me realise that SoE is breading a sad bunch of morons without any life outside of SWG. Why dont you try going out and (iii)Really achieveing something with your lives and doing voluntary work for charities,and play games for what they were meant for:- a break from the norm. (iv)Never let them become the norm.
(v)There are real people in the real world that could use your help. Giving it feels better than just throwing a lightsaber at a nuna and watching its polygon head falling to the ground. (vi)also its free. (vii)No game can ever provide the same feelings of satisfaction that helping others gives you.
(i) If you start out with this comment, perhaps you should reconsider saying anything in the first place.
(ii) SoE isn't breeding, they're providing a subscription service, because they're a company that runs a business to make money for its investors. Though many of the people who play the game act like sheep, there's no reason to believe that they act any differently in their lives in the "real world"
(iii)Since when has charity work ever actually achieved anything? The number of poor people is rising. The number of sick people is rising. The amount of violent and drug related crimes is rising in the lower - end of society while the high end of society attempts to distance itself further daily. The sad fact about most charities is that they can't actually do anything to help despite their best intentions, and the ones that do actually help tend to do so only to their own ends (i.e. missionaries for the churches trying to convert people to their particular dogmatic view). What is needed is not an excess of charity and giving freely to those that don't deserve it, but only for good people to help other good people they come across. One who gives everything to others will quickly find himself with nothing - and be lacking in a key aspect of existence. You need to decide how you can best help people, and if answering phones or ladeling soup is the best you can come up with I have serious doubts about the viability of the human race.
(iv) What is "the norm"? For some people the norm is waking up in 100 degree weather, walking outside their tent and wondering if they're going to die today. For some people the norm is driving to work for 2 hours to do a job they hate. It is not for you to tell people how to live their lives. That is an answer one must come to on one's own time, and those who would try to control that answer are the true evil in this world.
(v) Offering help when none is asked will only end up hurting more than helping. It is not your right to tell people what is best for them specifically because you don't know. If you knew everything about that person's life, then maybe you'd know, but you don't. You're just making a typically short-sighted observation based on your own small experience in life (or lack there-of). Your remarks would seem to be stemming from trying to make people feel guilty for doing what they want, rather than you want. You seem to be overbearing and at a loss for control, and should reconsider giving anyone in your life anymore advice until you have experienced more aspects of not just the world outside, but your world inside yourself.
(vi) Helping someone is never free. The second you lift a hand you have accepted a responsibility to be a care-taker of an individual that you may not wish to help. There are many who take advantage of kindness, giving it out freely can lead to disaster for you and those around you if you do not take care in who exactly it is you are helping.
(vii)What about when you help someone in a game, or through a game? The connections people form here are very real on an emotional level, just as you may have a very real connection with a correspondence, even though you are not able to see them. You dogma fails to take into account any other point of view than your own.
I don't know who you are or where you come from. You know nothing about anyone else who posts here. Do you believe you are therefore capable of making a value-assesment of their lives - past, present and future, because you read a couple of text posts on a bulletin board? If you desire to give aid to those less fortunate than you, I commend you. If you do so without realizing that many will abuse that aid, then you are a fool, and cannot help anyone until you learn to help yourself. If you expect me to follow your folly because you happen to enjoy being ignorant of a few simple truths about human nature, you are sadly mistaken.
Go sell your dogma on a street corner. Go shame the world to it's face and see the gratitude that you are given. Go guilt your friends into doing charity work for whatever cause you feel is just. But don't ever question the decisions others make for their own lives. You are not them, and you do not know. Accept your ignorance and be at peace.
Ok, so i guess in real life your a speech writer for those moron politicians.
I was meerly pointing out the fact that anyone that gets satisfaction from this game is a sad individual who has not lived. Im saying this because i have lived and continue to do so every day. I am 21 years old, my father was a caretaker and my mother is unemployed. yet i have already travelled the world twice, seen things you can only have nightmares about and helped people with things that charity and aid can not provide, Human compassion.
Pretty soon i will be joning the army to learn 4 different trades, then when i turn 27 i am going to join the red cross and help out in countries across the world with disaster relief.
I also run a few websites which give me enough income to live on whilst doing things you see as trivial, such as taking blind people out shopping, helping people who are less fortunate live the full potential of they lives they have, and teaching others to become amember of society for themselves., and allowing them to some day go out to work and make relationships of their own., with dignity and pride of what they have Achieved with their own determination to carry on.
The statement i made was purely so SoE would realise that there are 2 types of gamers. Gamers that come to relax, and gamers that sit 24/7 in the world of SoE, and know nothing than the 4 walls in which they sit. In an ironic sort of way you are less fortunate then the many less abled people i know. Youhaveyour mobility and choose to waste it doing nothing. Some of these people would kill to have their mobility to allow them selves to do what you take for granted.
Yes, SoE is trying to run a business, but there should be laws that govern that business. There are laws that say lorry drivers should not drive for more than 4 hours at a time, There are laws which prevent people from busking on the streets to earn enough money for a hot cup of tea, yet there is no law that stops people from wasting their lives away infront of a machine. That is irony. The rich get richer, whilst the people they get rich from become worthless.
Ah, I see now. You DO know more than anyone else about everything that people should do, including how people should live their lives. In 21 years you have obviously learned more about the human condition than the greatest philosophers of all time, and are far more wise than any of the hindu, christian, or zen philosophers in existence.
Eiboes wrote:
Ok, so i guess in real life your a speech writer for those moron politicians.
no...you're wrong. Actually I'm an Engineering Student....that is my life will be involved with the creation of things, rather than just being a care-taker, or one who watches over the things other people created. (I believe both puruits to have their benefits).
I was meerly pointing out the fact that anyone that gets satisfaction from this game is a sad individual who has not lived. Im saying this because i have lived and continue to do so every day. I am 21 years old, my father was a caretaker and my mother is unemployed. yet i have already travelled the world twice, seen things you can only have nightmares about and helped people with things that charity and aid can not provide, Human compassion.
It's funny to me that someone can have travelled the world twice and still managed to learn nothing about it except how to trash other people. Take a second to actually learn about the places that you go, then get back to me about why it was interesting to have been there. What use is travelling the world if you only ever count the miles behind you?
I also think it's funny that you don't believe people can have seen more than you, when you make it so clear you've never even bothered to look at anything. You say you've helped people by caring, or with human compassion....which means nothing. How have you really helped people to achieve their dreams, and what have you done to ensure that those dreams don't hurt anyone else?
Pretty soon i will be joning the army to learn 4 different trades, then when i turn 27 i am going to join the red cross and help out in countries across the world with disaster relief.
You're going to join the army - a group of people who go around with guns killing people - to help people? You said politicians were morons, and you're going to put yourself in a position to be directly controlled by them? Not much room for human compassion in the army, despite what the commercials might say. No you're going to use the military to get some kind of training, not education mind you, but training so you can take care of other people's creations. I said before I'm glad you've chosen to help people, but saying others are wrong because you like yourself is just plain foolish, and if you think otherwise then there is really no point to anyone reading anything you have to say, because you'll just be talking to yourself.
I also run a few websites which give me enough income to live on whilst doing things you see as trivial, such as taking blind people out shopping, helping people who are less fortunate live the full potential of they lives they have, and teaching others to become amember of society for themselves., and allowing them to some day go out to work and make relationships of their own., with dignity and pride of what they have Achieved with their own determination to carry on.
Well...yeah...taking blind people out shopping is pretty trivial. It's not like blind people can't shop for themselves....do you really think that before you came along that all blind people did was sit in their rooms and starve to death? The thing about less fortunate people is that they don't see themselves as less fortunate, unless a fool like you comes along and tries to point out all the things that they can't do. The people you claim to help don't really need you. In fact, for the most part they'd be better off if they were forced to do things for themselves. In learning to exist in a new way they have a greater understanding of what they are capable of, and will take more hope from living day to day, which will give them happiness. You say you teach people, but it sounds more like you just do mundane tasks for them, and use it as a line in a pub to pick up a bird (or however it's put in your part of the world). But in order to really care about these people and see what's best for them you would have step outside of yourself for one instant and exist as they do. You think you can help, but you haven't once taken the time to exist in the hardships of the people you claim to care about. You say that people are sad who feel achievement for playing a game, well I think you're sad for seeing achievement where you have done nothing at all.
Your entire dogmatic existence is a construct of your own imagination, and the only thing that seems to be keeping your universe in existence is that massive ego you carry with you like a badge.
The statement i made was purely so SoE would realise that there are 2 types of gamers. Gamers that come to relax, and gamers that sit 24/7 in the world of SoE, and know nothing than the 4 walls in which they sit. In an ironic sort of way you are less fortunate then the many less abled people i know. Youhaveyour mobility and choose to waste it doing nothing. Some of these people would kill to have their mobility to allow them selves to do what you take for granted.
Many people would kill many other people in order to posses what they cannot. Is this really a pursuit which I should consider positive? And then of course you assume that I'm one of these 24/7 people who seem to never get out of the house and have no ability to exist on their own. Sorry my friend, you're off base and out of line. You prove that you know nothing about me, and I would guess very little about anyone else, including yourself. I would say that you tend to make hasty judgements about people based solely on their appearence, and always regard the world in two ways: your opinion and wrong. And you assume these people lacking mobility are worse off for it. These people are far stronger than you for one simple reason - they have learned that you don't need legs to move. I am not less and no more fortunate in many things than many people. In some ways I am more fortunate. In some ways I am less. But in no way does your lack-wit opinion make me feel in any way guilty or sorry for myself. Mostly it just makes me wonder how someone with so little knowledge can get such a big head....
Yes, SoE is trying to run a business, but there should be laws that govern that business. There are laws that say lorry drivers should not drive for more than 4 hours at a time, There are laws which prevent people from busking on the streets to earn enough money for a hot cup of tea, yet there is no law that stops people from wasting their lives away infront of a machine. That is irony. The rich get richer, whilst the people they get rich from become worthless.
No...that isn't irony. Go look up irony in a dictionary and then come back here and tell me why that isn't irony and I migh give you a cookie
There are laws that govern business, but none of them says that a company should stop providing a service because it's unhealthy if not used in moderation. Take for example the following: Lorry's - 2 ton machines that kill more people yearly than most army's. Has a lorry manufacturer ever once been held responsible for the death of someone because somebody took that machine and did something foolish? How about guns, cigarettes, chemicals....no. Quite simply the company providing the service is not responsible for the abuse of its product. Besides that, who are you to say that people are wasting their lives doing something they enjoy? You're nobody, and no one cares what you think. You're entitled to your opinion, but you're also entitled to hear how foolish your opinion is. You should try listening to someone more experienced than you in REAL LIFE instead of running around telling people how not to waste their lives.
And yes, i feel i am in a position to question the choices others have made, because i have made my decisions based on alot more fact about human nature than you will ever know. But you are right in one thing, i do not know what all of you do. All i ask is for people to look around and open their eyes to reality, not hide away in a cupboard infront of a machine whilst life passes them by.
You feel, that after 21 years, that you are somehow capable of understanding the choices of over 100.000 different people because your decisions, oh wise one, are based on "a lot more fact about human nature than [I] will ever know."? Well, since you couldn't possibly know what I know, or anyone else knows for that matter, and your demonstrated understanding of human nature is....well....lacking to put it mildly, I think I'll just go ahead and put that under "Brash remarks made by someone who just doesn't know any better". Don't try to speak in absolutes to me, my friend, you will only be laughed at for your arrogance and your ignorance.And in your last line all you ask is for people to live the ilves that YOU think they should live, so by your definition they will be fulfilled, whether or not this is the best choice for them is beyond your scope of understanding, and I hope you realize that by now. Some people are only happy in front of a machine. Though it's clear that isn't the choice you would make, why does your opinion make it absolute that they are wasting their lives? Little cupboards have accomplished greater things than are dreamt of in your philosophy my friend. I hope that you will continue your education in the human experience, but will do so with a more understanding tone, rather than one of disdain for people who don't make the same choice as you. It doesn't really matter of course, but I find life far more rewarding when I understand the things and people around me. You may not.
Eiboes wrote:
. . . breading a sad bunch of morons . . .
Mmmm, chicken-fried moron. Now that's good eatin'.
Eiboes wrote:
I'm sorry to have to say this,but you guys actually saying things like you feel a real sense of achievement playing these games and grinding all hours you have free makes me realise that SoE is breading a sad bunch of morons without any life outside of SWG. Why dont you try going out and Really achieveing something with your lives and doing voluntary work for charities,and play games for what they were meant for:- a break from the norm. Never let them become the norm.
There are real people in the real world that could use your help. Giving it feels better than just throwing a lightsaber at a nuna and watching its polygon head falling to the ground. also its free. No game can ever provide the same feelings of satisfaction that helping others gives you.
Umm, what is this guy doing here in the first place if he doesn't want to waste his time playing this stupid game?
Eiboes wrote:
Ok, so i guess in real life your a speech writer for those moron politicians.
I was meerly pointing out the fact that anyone that gets satisfaction from this game is a sad individual who has not lived. Im saying this because i have lived and continue to do so every day. I am 21 years old, my father was a caretaker and my mother is unemployed. yet i have already travelled the world twice, seen things you can only have nightmares about and helped people with things that charity and aid can not provide, Human compassion.
Pretty soon i will be joning the army to learn 4 different trades, then when i turn 27 i am going to join the red cross and help out in countries across the world with disaster relief.
I also run a few websites which give me enough income to live on whilst doing things you see as trivial, such as taking blind people out shopping, helping people who are less fortunate live the full potential of they lives they have, and teaching others to become amember of society for themselves., and allowing them to some day go out to work and make relationships of their own., with dignity and pride of what they have Achieved with their own determination to carry on.
ok let me get this straight....i'm a loser at 36...playing a game i pay money for....i earn that money honestly and with hard work...
i like SWG and do feel pride in what i do...in or out of game..
you're 21...have been around the world twice...claim to be a generous person....take blind people to the store to help them shop...have planned your life to join the military to become a more cultured individual....and to use that education to do so...join the red cross to continue on a path that you have drawn out...
ever pay rent? ever pay a mortgage? not live in your mom's basement? ever really experienced life?!!??!?
really the arrogance of a puppy telling an old dog how to behave is soooo disrespectful...that in your kindness you have truely lost focus of life....THIS IS A GAME ...and i PLAY it as such....you respond to IN-GAME issues with a soap-box lecture of reality...in your opine...that is truely sad...
ever lose a loved one...not a grandpa or aunt...A LOVED ONE....a lover (if you've ever had one)...you have soooo much to learn about life ...i wish for you to taste life as the bitter pillcan be...then and only then will you understand that your arrogance is on the verge of insanity mixed with disillusioned ideals that OBVIOUSLY have anchoured themselves in your "brain"..
the band KANSAS (well before your time ...puppy)...wrote a line in one of their songs...are you ready?....are you sure?...
"If I claim to be a wise man, surely means that I don't know"
eat that humble pie for breakfast everyday and then in ten years....come back to me and then ...and only then ...will you have the right to talk sh*t about others the way you are now...
FTR...i have done all the volunteer work possible for one man to do...
question....did you pay for those world tours with your own money earned with the SUPER-SIZE question job you might have had...or did mommy and daddy pay for that...really....wise sage of arrogance tell me in your enlightened age....
What is the meaning of life!?!?!?!
IT'S A FORUM DISCUSSING THE IN GAME ISSUES THAT BOTHER PAYING CUSTOMERS....(Psst...does mom and dad pay for this access too?)
you should be ashamed of yourself....
i know i am ashamed to even be "forced " to respond to such garbage....but you did insult me and alot of others by your statement...
FTR...trained and papered chef....yes i have a real life job....lol...of 13 years...grinding to make people happy...for 23 years...ooppsss!!that means i was cooking and earning $$ ...2 years before you ever inhaled oxygen....slow it down ....paris hilton-wanna- be....life is not at all like you claim...you don't know life...you haven't earned life....you were given it....now....make it worth it...di**head..k
have a nice day
no retort...nor rebuttal eiboes....shame...thought in your wisdom you'd have something to add...apparently your knowledge has kicked into gear...
"don't worry....here have a french fry..."
thnx riggs
Grinders don't bother me too much. I get a kick out of (most of)their lack of ability to use the skills they....uh....learned(?).
How many posts have you seen that go.....
"I just finished the grind to master...lol....now.....how do u make armor?"
Or......
"n e 1 know wher 2 buy uber rosources??? :/"
The biggest thiing I got out of the disidents post, was that he registered 6 months ago.
Don't you have to pay for a subscription to use the forums too?
I don't think I'd continue to pay a fee for something I considered to be so mind numbing and pointless.
But....what do I know? I'm playing, paying and enjoying the time I spend doing it. A nice diversion after providing for, and raising a couple of kids.
Oh.....and I'm looking after someone elses stuff too. They trade their money for my time. Now....I'm trading some of my money for SOEs time.
Slider067 wrote:Grinders don't bother me too much. I get a kick out of (most of)their lack of ability to use the skills they....uh....learned(?).
How many posts have you seen that go.....
"I just finished the grind to master...lol....now.....how do u make armor?"
Or......
"n e 1 know wher 2 buy uber rosources??? :/"
This isn't always the case though.
Take myself for example. Pre-CU, Tomi'Una was a Dancer/doctor. I had her afk(well sort of as I was at the computer playing my other toon) a lot of the time providing a service to my guild. WHen the CU hit, and Dancer/doctor was made rather useless, I made her into a Smuggler merchant. After all, i love smuggler, i was a smuggler when the game first started, and loved it until the smuggler nerf... i mean upgrade. Quite simply, i hated the whole loot system, so I then turned my character into a Armorsmith/Architect/Merchant. Yes, the transition has been difficult. I've spent over a month just locating the resources i need to craft armor. NOw that i have said armor crafting resources, I am start up my business and getting armor into the game.
How did I do it? I studied the armorsmith profession. I looked at posts on the forums, I asked friends for advice on what the best things are to make(yes i could have tested to do this, but i view that as a last option, my friends are more then willing to help me with armorsmith, just as i am more then willing to help them with just about every other profession in the game). So I am a respec AS. I can make armor. It might not be as good as some ppl's armor, but that is because some of hte crafters have tons of money to put into it. I'm starting from almost nothing and starting probably a lot higher then i should.
Oh well, we'll see how it turns out. In any case, as for the issue at hand, AFK grinding/crafting/looting does annoy me, because it can ruin the ecconomy. THe only afk looter i don't mind on my server is one who camps the GDK spawn. And the reason i dont' mind him, is because quite simply, if you know what you're doing you can easily out damage him. He does it so that the spawns don't go to waste, and also provides a service to the community by helping the little guys get their hands on some good loot(which he then buys off of them anyway). I also don't mind afk dancers/musicians. Just don't expect a tip from me if you're not there. WHen I go to a dancer/musician I go for the company, i like to talk to others, it's why i play this game. If they arn't there, then i see no reason to tip.
Cerosis wrote:
Slider067 wrote:
Grinders don't bother me too much. I get a kick out of (most of)their lack of ability to use the skills they....uh....learned(?).
How many posts have you seen that go.....
"I just finished the grind to master...lol....now.....how do u make armor?"
Or......
"n e 1 know wher 2 buy uber rosources??? :/"
This isn't always the case though.
Take myself for example. Pre-CU, Tomi'Una was a Dancer/doctor. I had her afk(well sort of as I was at the computer playing my other toon) a lot of the time providing a service to my guild. WHen the CU hit, and Dancer/doctor was made rather useless, I made her into a Smuggler merchant. After all, i love smuggler, i was a smuggler when the game first started, and loved it until the smuggler nerf... i mean upgrade. Quite simply, i hated the whole loot system, so I then turned my character into a Armorsmith/Architect/Merchant. Yes, the transition has been difficult. I've spent over a month just locating the resources i need to craft armor. NOw that i have said armor crafting resources, I am start up my business and getting armor into the game.
How did I do it? I studied the armorsmith profession. I looked at posts on the forums, I asked friends for advice on what the best things are to make(yes i could have tested to do this, but i view that as a last option, my friends are more then willing to help me with armorsmith, just as i am more then willing to help them with just about every other profession in the game). So I am a respec AS. I can make armor. It might not be as good as some ppl's armor, but that is because some of hte crafters have tons of money to put into it. I'm starting from almost nothing and starting probably a lot higher then i should.
Oh well, we'll see how it turns out. In any case, as for the issue at hand, AFK grinding/crafting/looting does annoy me, because it can ruin the ecconomy. THe only afk looter i don't mind on my server is one who camps the GDK spawn. And the reason i dont' mind him, is because quite simply, if you know what you're doing you can easily out damage him. He does it so that the spawns don't go to waste, and also provides a service to the community by helping the little guys get their hands on some good loot(which he then buys off of them anyway). I also don't mind afk dancers/musicians. Just don't expect a tip from me if you're not there. WHen I go to a dancer/musician I go for the company, i like to talk to others, it's why i play this game. If they arn't there, then i see no reason to tip.
Eiboes wrote:
I'm sorry to have to say this, but you guys actually saying things like you feel a real sense of achievement playing these games and grinding all hours you have free makes me realise that SoE is breading a sad bunch of morons without any life outside of SWG. Why dont you try going out and Really achieveing something with your lives and doing voluntary work for charities, and play games for what they were meant for:- a break from the norm. Never let them become the norm.
There are real people in the real world that could use your help. Giving it feels better than just throwing a lightsaber at a nuna and watching its polygon head falling to the ground. also its free. No game can ever provide the same feelings of satisfaction that helping others gives you.
/pathead
you have much to learn, young apprentice
Eiboes wrote:
Also, since you mentioned the 3rd party thing being against the rules etc and how it is unfair. I class these forums as 3rd party as you can not access them in game. You all use them to benefit your trading etc, and for building up your trade. Talk about double standards.
3rd party program is (i think) defined as a program which interacts with the game program directly. For example a program which moves your mouse cursor to a spot on the screen and clicks after a set time.