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Thread: Player Correspondent Opening: Armorsmith
ZionHalcyon wrote:THEN GIVE ACTUAL IDEAS!!!!
So what exactly from Okram's list were not ideas? He had specific recommendations for experimenting. On some others he was asking for some changes in the current CU system. He never said 'Give me back my old stuff'.Message Edited by Kelloch on 04-15-2005 08:06 AM
Look beyond your own AS backyard, the community is burning around you. The game is a different game, its not a CU, its a New SWG. Other crafting professions were blasted or destroyed, all the interfaces are foreign, all the combat professions are new and foreign, all the look, feel, sounds, and commands are foreign. Open the eyes, read the post above. They need to be fired at this point. The community has "NO CONFIDENCE" in SOE such that SOE will be ineffective in rallying a turnaround of the decay. Only by cancelling accounts can we get a new start, stay cancelled until they are fired and the new regime reaches out to the community. Being passive while your neighborhood burns is no answer at this stage of decay.
-VtS-Maddix wrote:
I do feel sorry for whoever gets the job, reading most of the opinions in this thread whoever is the next correspondant is unlikely to get the type of support he or she needs, and will almost certainly encounter comparisions to Okram2k every few posts - not exactly the ideal situation.
C'mon people drop it, whats done is done, whether we agree with it or not. What are they more likely to listen to right now? Our demands over having the correspondant reinstated or our concerns over the CU? Yes, maybe Okram2k was harshly done by, but I am sure he will be one of the first to tell you to forget about what happened with him and concentrate on 'saving' the AS profession - something that can only be done, new Correspondant or not, with a team effort.
We're just making things worse for our profession continually going on about it.
rezaferry wrote:
Does this mean were going to alienate the new correspondent?
I think the previous one cared a little too much about his work, not that theirs anything wronge with that. Also IMO Tiggs took what he did a little too personaly.
That is precisely what I am worried about.
Right now, there is all that angst against me. Fine, I can take it. But the way lines have been drawn in the sand, us vs them, it just seems like whoever gets the new position will either have to follow the community's lead in ripping the devs (leading to a hasty departure), or be labeled a "dev @ss kisser" - as if there is no middle ground, which is what a good corrospondant SHOULD be about.
I truly hope that whoever gets the position can find that balance, and then take the heat when the community turns on them for not being as invasive as okram was with the mail bombing incident.
Because, again, we have no confidence in SOE's ability to manage this product and stop the decay. Their mismanagement and contempt for two years is beyond redemption. Why would we invest time, passion, and effort to rally around the game, when SOE continues to fumble and betray with ongoing mismanagement on all levels of communication and project management? When a new regime reconciles with us, we'll turn this around, but until then, disenfranchised, no confidence in SOE, and want them fired.
Carrion1 wrote:
The_Great_Destroyer wrote:
He rejected that status by breaking the rules. I am proud to show that I did my best to help the community as an ex-Corr, but his actions did not further to help the community's cause. If anything, it's just stirred up more emotion and taken up more Dev time that could be spent fixing the CU. He also did a disservice to the rest of the community by presuming that the AS's concerns were necessarily more important than everyone else's and having you guys spam a Dev. If this somehow established the urgency of a community's concerns, you better believe that the Devs wouldn't even be able to open their PM box. So I know it feels great to hold him as a martyr but he brought it on himself. Can we get back to not making the CU suck now?
I dont think you realize something, with the dev's current course of action and given thier history... there is no way to make the CU NOT suck... Your quite simply an ass kisser and SOE Fanboy.. None of us will listen to you now, none of us really even care about the game anymore.
That's sad logic, friend. Don't blame the symptom, blame the cause. Read the posts in the last few pages again. The mismanagement and the manipulation, the dismal project management, planning, communication, and leadership going back to the first days of this game, and back to the first shift of the holo-grind disaster, and the fact that correspondents were put in place simply to deflect the heat from the devs as a figurehead with no powers, that's all SOE's mismanagement. Reacting to the absurdity of their dismal performance is not the cause, its a symptom or reaction. Don't shoot the messenger or fail to support your peer, instead look to SOE and demand their resignation or see them fired, by cancelling accounts until that happens. We already dropped below 50k accounts, and heading down.
ZionHalcyon wrote:
That post CLEARLY ILLUSTRATES what is wrong with the AS forums right now.
The fact is, it scares me to see how many off-base excuses people make in order to RATIONALIZE, not justify, their anger, so that way they can carry on like immature children, and explain that they are too immature to control themselves, and it's all the devs fault.
Well excuse me for being an adult, but I have far more self-control than that. Besides that, anyone with a cool head and half a brain realizes that all this misplaced angst is only causing us to lose valuable time that we could be using to fix our profession. No offense, but being jaded never got anyone anywhere.
ZionHalcyon wrote:
THEN GIVE ACTUAL IDEAS!!!!
I have yet to see an ACTUAL idea - all I have seen and spoken about is people crying over Okram even though he did something he shouldn't have.
In fact, I have from the beginning encouraged people to refocus their energies into putting up new ideas that could be implemented. Sorry, but "This sucks, anyone who doesn't like what okram did sucks, anyone who doesn't try to force the devs to put in the old crafting system sucks" does NOT classify as an "idea" to me. That is straight out whining like an infant.
PLEASE, I am all for ideas. Just stay proactive. If we miss the CURB deadline, roll with the punches and fight to get stuff in in the following publish. Just ENOUGH already with the backlash! It's sickening to see a whole community reduced to the maturity or a 2 year old!
And I for one am frustrated with it. And I hope in a sense that I do get the job, because if it means the people who can't conduct themselves in a respectful manner quit or respec, then I will be left with the clear-headed individuals, and we can get down to the business of making AS in the CURB a better profession, starting with fixing the 1 exp line...
Zion, you are ignorant of the issues. I agree with you, focus on ideas. Except the reality is that the correspondents have been issued direction to just create short lists of Top 5's, not well thought out, not detailed. Why would devs ask for a brief short list? Because they have never, will never (with this regime), and never planned to listen to the input, its a FIGUREHEAD position meant to placate and deflect player attention, and give a ruse of representation. None of the game dev shifts, all the way back to hologrinding, has been influenced or impacted by players or their correspondents.
ITS A SHAM. All the design and dev work has been done in the ivory tower.
ZionHalcyon wrote:
rezaferry wrote:
Does this mean were going to alienate the new correspondent?
I think the previous one cared a little too much about his work, not that theirs anything wronge with that. Also IMO Tiggs took what he did a little too personaly.
That is precisely what I am worried about.
Right now, there is all that angst against me. Fine, I can take it. But the way lines have been drawn in the sand, us vs them, it just seems like whoever gets the new position will either have to follow the community's lead in ripping the devs (leading to a hasty departure), or be labeled a "dev @ss kisser" - as if there is no middle ground, which is what a good corrospondant SHOULD be about.
I truly hope that whoever gets the position can find that balance, and then take the heat when the community turns on them for not being as invasive as okram was with the mail bombing incident.
Could you please quit throwing around the term "mail-bombing"? Its severely overstating what occured, which was a simple mass-spamming. No one died. Kthnxbye.
Kyranis wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
rezaferry wrote:
Does this mean were going to alienate the new correspondent?
I think the previous one cared a little too much about his work, not that theirs anything wronge with that. Also IMO Tiggs took what he did a little too personaly.
That is precisely what I am worried about.
Right now, there is all that angst against me. Fine, I can take it. But the way lines have been drawn in the sand, us vs them, it just seems like whoever gets the new position will either have to follow the community's lead in ripping the devs (leading to a hasty departure), or be labeled a "dev @ss kisser" - as if there is no middle ground, which is what a good corrospondant SHOULD be about.
I truly hope that whoever gets the position can find that balance, and then take the heat when the community turns on them for not being as invasive as okram was with the mail bombing incident.
Could you please quit throwing around the term "mail-bombing"? Its severely overstating what occured, which was a simple mass-spamming. No one died. Kthnxbye.
I apologize - it was merely semantics; I did not intend to overstate the issue.
I posted a response to the top 5 in my thread. Give it a look. You might disagree with me, but at least look at my comments, and maybe we can converse civilly about it.
RedDestinyCC wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
THEN GIVE ACTUAL IDEAS!!!!
I have yet to see an ACTUAL idea - all I have seen and spoken about is people crying over Okram even though he did something he shouldn't have.
In fact, I have from the beginning encouraged people to refocus their energies into putting up new ideas that could be implemented. Sorry, but "This sucks, anyone who doesn't like what okram did sucks, anyone who doesn't try to force the devs to put in the old crafting system sucks" does NOT classify as an "idea" to me. That is straight out whining like an infant.
PLEASE, I am all for ideas. Just stay proactive. If we miss the CURB deadline, roll with the punches and fight to get stuff in in the following publish. Just ENOUGH already with the backlash! It's sickening to see a whole community reduced to the maturity or a 2 year old!
And I for one am frustrated with it. And I hope in a sense that I do get the job, because if it means the people who can't conduct themselves in a respectful manner quit or respec, then I will be left with the clear-headed individuals, and we can get down to the business of making AS in the CURB a better profession, starting with fixing the 1 exp line...
Zion, you are ignorant of the issues. I agree with you, focus on ideas. Except the reality is that the correspondents have been issued direction to just create short lists of Top 5's, not well thought out, not detailed. Why would devs ask for a brief short list? Because they have never, will never (with this regime), and never planned to listen to the input, its a FIGUREHEAD position meant to placate and deflect player attention, and give a ruse of representation. None of the game dev shifts, all the way back to hologrinding, has been influenced or impacted by players or their correspondents.
ITS A SHAM. All the design and dev work has been done in the ivory tower.
Kyranis wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
rezaferry wrote:Does this mean were going to alienate the new correspondent?I think the previous one cared a little too much about his work, not that theirs anything wronge with that. Also IMO Tiggs took what he did a little too personaly.That is precisely what I am worried about.
Right now, there is all that angst against me. Fine, I can take it. But the way lines have been drawn in the sand, us vs them, it just seems like whoever gets the new position will either have to follow the community's lead in ripping the devs (leading to a hasty departure), or be labeled a "dev @ss kisser" - as if there is no middle ground, which is what a good corrospondant SHOULD be about.
I truly hope that whoever gets the position can find that balance, and then take the heat when the community turns on them for not being as invasive as okram was with the mail bombing incident.
Could you please quit throwing around the term "mail-bombing"? Its severely overstating what occured, which was a simple mass-spamming. No one died. Kthnxbye.
I'm not even sure it was that of a mass. I think the post got to about 2-3 pages long before Okram said he got a reponse. And not everyone on that post said they sent a PM. This is of course assuming everyone that did send a PM posted /sent in that post.
ZionHalcyon wrote:THEN GIVE ACTUAL IDEAS!!!!
I have yet to see an ACTUAL idea - all I have seen and spoken about is people crying over Okram even though he did something he shouldn't have.
In fact, I have from the beginning encouraged people to refocus their energies into putting up new ideas that could be implemented. Sorry, but "This sucks, anyone who doesn't like what okram did sucks, anyone who doesn't try to force the devs to put in the old crafting system sucks" does NOT classify as an "idea" to me. That is straight out whining like an infant.
PLEASE, I am all for ideas. Just stay proactive. If we miss the CURB deadline, roll with the punches and fight to get stuff in in the following publish. Just ENOUGH already with the backlash! It's sickening to see a whole community reduced to the maturity or a 2 year old!
And I for one am frustrated with it. And I hope in a sense that I do get the job, because if it means the people who can't conduct themselves in a respectful manner quit or respec, then I will be left with the clear-headed individuals, and we can get down to the business of making AS in the CURB a better profession, starting with fixing the 1 exp line...
I don't know where you been for the last couple weeks, but there have been loads of threads with ideas/suggestions/improvements/etc, but here's the thing:
NOBODY IS LISTENING TO US!!!!!
Why do you think Okram wanted us to spam Blix? Its because he hasn't heard from anyone in over a week.
Then, a majority of the AS go and blame/point fingers at Okram for not doing anything.
I'm actually hoping now the profession is destroyed to spite all the ones with this holier than thou attitude.
Message Edited by Ryche_Mykola on 04-15-2005 11:05 AM