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Thread: Player Correspondent Opening: Armorsmith
Kelloch wrote:
Kyranis wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
rezaferry wrote:
Does this mean were going to alienate the new correspondent?
I think the previous one cared a little too much about his work, not that theirs anything wronge with that. Also IMO Tiggs took what he did a little too personaly.
That is precisely what I am worried about.
Right now, there is all that angst against me. Fine, I can take it. But the way lines have been drawn in the sand, us vs them, it just seems like whoever gets the new position will either have to follow the community's lead in ripping the devs (leading to a hasty departure), or be labeled a "dev @ss kisser" - as if there is no middle ground, which is what a good corrospondant SHOULD be about.
I truly hope that whoever gets the position can find that balance, and then take the heat when the community turns on them for not being as invasive as okram was with the mail bombing incident.
Could you please quit throwing around the term "mail-bombing"? Its severely overstating what occured, which was a simple mass-spamming. No one died. Kthnxbye.
I'm not even sure it was that of a mass. I think the post got to about 2-3 pages long before Okram said he got a reponse. And not everyone on that post said they sent a PM. This is of course assuming everyone that did send a PM posted /sent in that post.
Majority, nothing! The overwhelming majority of armorsmiths supported Okram and still do. And certainly nobody is blaming Okram for not doing anything. Stop trying to fan the flames.
Ryche_Mykola wrote:
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Then, a majority of the AS go and blame/point fingers at Okram for not doing anything.
I'm actually hoping now the profession is destroyed to spite all the ones with this holier than thou attitude.
Message Edited by Ryche_Mykola on 04-15-2005 11:05 AM
Mought1971 wrote:Majority, nothing! The overwhelming majority of armorsmiths supported Okram and still do. And certainly nobody is blaming Okram for not doing anything. Stop trying to fan the flames.
Hey sport, I fully support Okram and commend him for what he did. Go read some other posts of mine.
But, when things don't get done, people blame the correspondants for not doing anything, it goes on in all the profession forums. I've seen BHers yelling at Tanks for not doing his job and he is one of the best corr's in the game.
ZionHalcyon wrote:
It was still wrong and an abuse of authority, any way you try to ratrionalize it.
I dont think you are a hypocrite. I think you do not quite grasp the full nature of events that have transpired. I do not think that you understand the long term ramafications. I do no think you can understand how others think. I also do not hink you can see anyone elses opinion in any other light then wrong if it doesn't fit in in some way that you like.
but I dont think you are a hypocrite. I think you are a Zealot.
What's even worse... I hear, from a reliable source, he's trying to kill the new Pope!
Renea,
Daryl666 wrote:
BountySquadLeada wrote:
how about the iraqi information minister?
He already works for them. I just haven't figured out what handle he goes by yet...so many to choose from.
The_Great_Destroyer wrote:
StormTroopercpt0 wrote:
go away, okram was shamely exiled an rejected blow glowy, you have your blow glowy course your fine!..
He rejected that status by breaking the rules. I am proud to show that I did my best to help the community as an ex-Corr, but his actions did not further to help the community's cause. If anything, it's just stirred up more emotion and taken up more Dev time that could be spent fixing the CU. He also did a disservice to the rest of the community by presuming that the AS's concerns were necessarily more important than everyone else's and having you guys spam a Dev. If this somehow established the urgency of a community's concerns, you better believe that the Devs wouldn't even be able to open their PM box. So I know it feels great to hold him as a martyr but he brought it on himself. Can we get back to not making the CU suck now?
I thought he WAS trying to "not make the CU suck."
We don't need the CU bigs fixed-we nned the underlying premise of the CU scrapped.
ZionHalcyon wrote:
It was still wrong and an abuse of authority, any way you try to ratrionalize it.
So? Is there a point to that? I've been a business leader for 20 years, and particularly in the last 10 years as we continue out of the dark ages of management, you can never sit back as a leader and just shoot someone for reacting or escalating matters out of the little boxes (like SOE's so-called rules for correspondents) that management legitimately or otherwise tries to box people into. As a leader, it is expected that you discuss why the reaction is as it is, why the box may not be appropriate anymore, and what's wrong with the culture or environment that causes someone to react.
In other words, when someone reacts, blows up, or elevates outside the box, they are not solely responsible, and in fact, upon evaluation, may end upbeing praised as a whistle-blower, or just praised as someone who had the ethical leadership to raise issues rather than continue to suffer a broken system of rules, and further that its often the leaders these days who are acted upon in the end, rather than the person who raised hell. That is the nature of business today, and rightfully so.
So this was SOE's first failing in just this situation, creating a business environment and ruleset in which people are forced to devalue their role, or act in an adverse manner to the success of the venture. SOE created this ruleset and this environment. Look to the leadership, not the response. Again, SOE's first failure (in this situation - there have been many, many other situations leading to the SWG project's downfall.)
SOE's 2nd failure in this situation, also which would lead to action against the leaders in any other organization, was in their dereliction in communicating it with respect to the correspondent. Instead of communicating that, "we apprecaite the work you have done, however we must enforce our rules (plus whatever explanation they may want to add to address the failings of the environment that led to the "outburst") and we must remove your role as Correspondent at this time." That message should have been delivered, probably not by email either, before any action was taken to remove his rights as Correspondent. What did SOE do? They just poofed his rights and let him show up and discover he didn't have the Correspondent bells and whistles anymore. They failed to communicate respectfully, failed to recognize his efforts and showing him the door with dignity, failed to be leaders. That was their second error. Any one of these errors would have led to serious repurcussions in any organization I've been a leader with.
Their third failure in this situation, again demonstrating their lack of leadership which has led to the community being disenfranchised with this SOE SWG regime and their ultimate failure, is that when the community spoke up and recognized that this Correspondent had been stripped, and mentioned it, the SOE rep (Tiggs) comes in with a turt reply basically, publically, saying, "you were bad, you got what you deserved," rather than doing what any business would expect their professionals to do, which would be to apologize for the manner in which it was communicated, and that, "we erred and should have communicated with you directly before we took action on your Correspondent status."
3 strikes, demonstrating dismal leadership, all in one situation. And I can chronical their lack of leadership, project management, manipulation of the community and customers, and lack of communication skills all the way back to the hologrind. I've watched it daily and weekly, and have been amazed that they continue to get any support from the community, and it is dying. They need to go, they are incompetent and will lead to the death of our game, or their firing, whichever comes first.
All we can do is help them along to be fired by cancelling our accounts, and speed the process along to recovery with a new regime.
Orthell wrote:
Why do we need a correspondent? SOE has already removed armorsmith as a viable crafting profession.
Or rather, SOE has demonstrated that Correspondents are a sham and a ruse to deflect player attention off of themselves and onto some poor schmuck who has no input or impact to the game design, as has been the case back before the launch of the hologrind. Everything has been done in an ivory tower. Don't propogate SOE's deception by participating in the Correspondent sham, don't let things go on AS IS, and thereby support SOE's dismal mismanagement.
Well said. Unfortunately neither the customers or their correspondent recognize this, and there's a lot of wasted effort and frustration along the way furthering the community's disenfranchisement with SOE's regime.
TheBlackPope wrote:
Unfortunately, this clearly shows that the correspondent's job is not to relate the concerns of the community to the development team. The correspondent's job is to sell the development team's ideology to the community.