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Thread: Player Correspondent Opening: Armorsmith
SulkyMonkey wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
johnautry613 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Exactly. I almost feel the AS profession and forums would be healthier if all the whiners just up and quit already.
Every time I read the word 'Whiners' on this forum, I am reminded how immature the majority of the comunity is. Not the ones 'whining', but the ones who choose to look at any complaint, suggestion, or criticism as whining. I mean, they even use a word most commonly in the vocabulary of 4 year olds.
Message Edited by johnautry613 on 04-15-2005 06:01 AM
That is a rationalization. Fact is, when people complain, criticize, or suggest something over and over when it's obvious the answer is NO, then that IS whining.
And that is what the AS community is doing right now - repeating themselves like a broken record. They aren't trying to come up with different things, they aren't trying to have the curb tweaked to make it more fun. No, they are trying to get the devs to put in the old system of crafting, even though countless times they have been told that a lot of that stuff is going away (like encumberance, for instance).
You know how many times I have seen someone ignorantly claim "the old system wasn't broke!" FAR TOO MANY. It's broke. And it has been for a long time. It's broken in terms of balance. And yet, try as one might, no one can get these people to realize the old system is far too broken and unbalanced to be put into this new one - that putting it in would unbalance the game again.
So yes, there are plenty of whiners here. But the ones complaining of the whining are also the ones who want to get this forum back to being proactive, and figuring out NEW ways to make AS fun.
Sorry, but the reputation of the As forum being a bunch of complainers is well-deserved right now.
Spoken like a true appeaser.
You should hang your head in shame.
Alien-hating-Imperial wrote:
Why do you even bother posting this, Tiggs?
You fired the previous correspondent for TRYING to communicate with you and that poorly idiotic developer team
You still don't get it, do you?
Okram was fired for AN ABUSE OF POWER. Regardless of whatever the devs did, 2 wrongs don't make a right. To justify what Okram did is like justifying that it is ok to shoot a person who calls you a bad name. Okram had the gun and shot.
And to be honest, the behaviour of those defending him for this action is appalling to say the least.
Okram did a bang-up job, and I give him all the credit in the world. But that was with the old system. With the new one, he suffered from what most of you do - the inability to adapt. Sorry, but in seeing how things got with how Okram handled the CURB made me lose faith that he was the right person to lead us into the transition.
And because I voice these concerns, you all start labeling me as a dev butt kisser, you start putting words in my mouth and claiming I stand for things I do not stand for, all the while acting like infants and trying to rationalize your infantile temper tantrums.
Meanwhile, anyone who wants cooler heads to prevail gets labeled the same as I, and people rip into that person.
The mob mentality of this forum is SHAMEFUL.
I hope that in the end, cooler heads do prevail, and that we get someone more flexible in the coordinator position - someone who can see the big picture, and can go to the devs and make sure the players are heard, but also has enough balls to tell the AS community NO when needed to as well.
Seriously, the corrospondant job is supposed to be about improving a profession, and yet with the community here, it is turning into a babysitting job.
How very sad....
ZionHalcyon wrote:
SulkyMonkey wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
johnautry613 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Exactly. I almost feel the AS profession and forums would be healthier if all the whiners just up and quit already.
Every time I read the word 'Whiners' on this forum, I am reminded how immature the majority of the comunity is. Not the ones 'whining', but the ones who choose to look at any complaint, suggestion, or criticism as whining. I mean, they even use a word most commonly in the vocabulary of 4 year olds.
Message Edited by johnautry613 on 04-15-2005 06:01 AM
That is a rationalization. Fact is, when people complain, criticize, or suggest something over and over when it's obvious the answer is NO, then that IS whining.
And that is what the AS community is doing right now - repeating themselves like a broken record. They aren't trying to come up with different things, they aren't trying to have the curb tweaked to make it more fun. No, they are trying to get the devs to put in the old system of crafting, even though countless times they have been told that a lot of that stuff is going away (like encumberance, for instance).
You know how many times I have seen someone ignorantly claim "the old system wasn't broke!" FAR TOO MANY. It's broke. And it has been for a long time. It's broken in terms of balance. And yet, try as one might, no one can get these people to realize the old system is far too broken and unbalanced to be put into this new one - that putting it in would unbalance the game again.
So yes, there are plenty of whiners here. But the ones complaining of the whining are also the ones who want to get this forum back to being proactive, and figuring out NEW ways to make AS fun.
Sorry, but the reputation of the As forum being a bunch of complainers is well-deserved right now.
Spoken like a true appeaser.
You should hang your head in shame.
There is an irony to you saying that.
Not an appeaser - just one of the few with enough brains to realize we aren't going to have a fun profession by always insulting the people who make and work on the game.
If you want to troll the devs, go right ahead. I just will be over here to the side, trying to work with them rather than against them to make Armorsmith fun again.
I just hope anyone but this jerk gets it. He seems to be able to do little but bash others and belittle there ideas.
We need a member of the community not some wanabe dev to represent our concerns. Someone who can stand up and call a flop like this what it is to the devs cause his sort of sucking up will get us no where when we have so little time to get any changes
ZionHalcyon wrote:
When someone becomes a martyr, there are 2 kinds - the kind that become a martyr because they have done so much good that the world (and not just their community) recognizes them, and then their are the terrorist martyrs, who break the law and die doing something horribly wrong, and is considered a martyr only by the people who have the same, misguided, horribly off-center view that the original had.
Okram was the latter. And that says a lot about you as a community, with a small % of exceptions.
What I can say is, I am often VERY frustrated by the lack of communication that the DEV's give us. We alk blindly down the path, and the only solace we really have is the fact that we can in some way assume that at least the correspondents are being heard.
What transpired was the fact that he was given none of the basic common courtesy of feed back. By that I mean so much as a "We have heard you and understand what you are saying" not agree, but at least understand.
HE did the only thing he felt he had left to do. I applaude his efforts to get his communities probelms heard, irregardless of the result. His job is defines as able to bring to the DEV's attention our concerns. When he could no longer tell if he had their attention, he made SURE he had their attention.
As for your analogy, I could not think of a more foolish, uninciteful, and emotionaly immature comparison if I really tried. What he did was not for his sake, but for the AS profession.
Well excuse me for being an adult,
You clearly have not demonstrated it.
Ciirybeccaskyr wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
SulkyMonkey wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
johnautry613 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Exactly. I almost feel the AS profession and forums would be healthier if all the whiners just up and quit already.
Every time I read the word 'Whiners' on this forum, I am reminded how immature the majority of the comunity is. Not the ones 'whining', but the ones who choose to look at any complaint, suggestion, or criticism as whining. I mean, they even use a word most commonly in the vocabulary of 4 year olds.
Message Edited by johnautry613 on 04-15-2005 06:01 AM
That is a rationalization. Fact is, when people complain, criticize, or suggest something over and over when it's obvious the answer is NO, then that IS whining.
And that is what the AS community is doing right now - repeating themselves like a broken record. They aren't trying to come up with different things, they aren't trying to have the curb tweaked to make it more fun. No, they are trying to get the devs to put in the old system of crafting, even though countless times they have been told that a lot of that stuff is going away (like encumberance, for instance).
You know how many times I have seen someone ignorantly claim "the old system wasn't broke!" FAR TOO MANY. It's broke. And it has been for a long time. It's broken in terms of balance. And yet, try as one might, no one can get these people to realize the old system is far too broken and unbalanced to be put into this new one - that putting it in would unbalance the game again.
So yes, there are plenty of whiners here. But the ones complaining of the whining are also the ones who want to get this forum back to being proactive, and figuring out NEW ways to make AS fun.
Sorry, but the reputation of the As forum being a bunch of complainers is well-deserved right now.
Spoken like a true appeaser.
You should hang your head in shame.
There is an irony to you saying that.
Not an appeaser - just one of the few with enough brains to realize we aren't going to have a fun profession by always insulting the people who make and work on the game.
If you want to troll the devs, go right ahead. I just will be over here to the side, trying to work with them rather than against them to make Armorsmith fun again.
I just hope anyone but this jerk gets it. He seems to be able to do little but bash others and belittle there ideas.
We need a member of the community not some wanabe dev to represent our concerns. Someone who can stand up and call a flop like this what it is to the devs cause his sort of sucking up will get us no where when we have so little time to get any changes
THEN GIVE ACTUAL IDEAS!!!!
I have yet to see an ACTUAL idea - all I have seen and spoken about is people crying over Okram even though he did something he shouldn't have.
In fact, I have from the beginning encouraged people to refocus their energies into putting up new ideas that could be implemented. Sorry, but "This sucks, anyone who doesn't like what okram did sucks, anyone who doesn't try to force the devs to put in the old crafting system sucks" does NOT classify as an "idea" to me. That is straight out whining like an infant.
PLEASE, I am all for ideas. Just stay proactive. If we miss the CURB deadline, roll with the punches and fight to get stuff in in the following publish. Just ENOUGH already with the backlash! It's sickening to see a whole community reduced to the maturity or a 2 year old!
And I for one am frustrated with it. And I hope in a sense that I do get the job, because if it means the people who can't conduct themselves in a respectful manner quit or respec, then I will be left with the clear-headed individuals, and we can get down to the business of making AS in the CURB a better profession, starting with fixing the 1 exp line...
ZionHalcyon wrote:
johnautry613 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Exactly. I almost feel the AS profession and forums would be healthier if all the whiners just up and quit already.
Every time I read the word 'Whiners' on this forum, I am reminded how immature the majority of the comunity is. Not the ones 'whining', but the ones who choose to look at any complaint, suggestion, or criticism as whining. I mean, they even use a word most commonly in the vocabulary of 4 year olds.
Message Edited by johnautry613 on 04-15-2005 06:01 AM
That is a rationalization. Fact is, when people complain, criticize, or suggest something over and over when it's obvious the answer is NO, then that IS whining.
Now that has gotto be one of the most ludicrous statements I have ever heard. By your statement we can assume:
Americans in the Revolution. Bunch of Whiners.
Jew in Nazi Germany. Bunch of Whiners
Indians in North America. Bunch of Whiners.
And that is what the AS community is doing right now - repeating themselves like a broken record. They aren't trying to come up with different things, they aren't trying to have the curb tweaked to make it more fun. No, they are trying to get the devs to put in the old system of crafting, even though countless times they have been told that a lot of that stuff is going away (like encumberance, for instance).
You know how many times I have seen someone ignorantly claim "the old system wasn't broke!" FAR TOO MANY. It's broke. And it has been for a long time. It's broken in terms of balance. And yet, try as one might, no one can get these people to realize the old system is far too broken and unbalanced to be put into this new one - that putting it in would unbalance the game again.
Now that is foolish. It was changed, and change was to be expected, but in a way that sucked the life out of it. It was changed to have no chalenge or way to have a level of diferentiation. That is not balance. That is change because someone felt it would be better. Now the consumers of the part of the market, and by that I mean the people who play this game to BE a smith, are telling them that the changfe has flaws and really need to be rethought.
Thats is defined as your custeomers are telling you that the product you are putting out is a dud. A company who refuses to listen to that kind of feed back, which I am not saying they but you seem to be insinuating that they are, is doomed to fail.
So yes, there are plenty of whiners here. But the ones complaining of the whining are also the ones who want to get this forum back to being proactive, and figuring out NEW ways to make AS fun.
Sorry, but the reputation of the As forum being a bunch of complainers is well-deserved right now.
I completely agree with you. Sadly, he's just the right sort of yes-man they will be looking for. Someone who apparently can't comprehend that A LOT of people have A LOTof issues with the CU that the devs are not listening to. In fact, they are so brazen as to post a letter commending all the wonderful feedback they are getting. Did they happen to see the ever-increasing amount of "No Fun at All" votes this thing is getting every day? It is their complete LACK of community relations that has inspired this "mob mentality", but his rose colored glasses are so freaking THICK that he can't see that.
Ciirybeccaskyr wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
SulkyMonkey wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
johnautry613 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Exactly. I almost feel the AS profession and forums would be healthier if all the whiners just up and quit already.
Every time I read the word 'Whiners' on this forum, I am reminded how immature the majority of the comunity is. Not the ones 'whining', but the ones who choose to look at any complaint, suggestion, or criticism as whining. I mean, they even use a word most commonly in the vocabulary of 4 year olds.
Message Edited by johnautry613 on 04-15-2005 06:01 AM
That is a rationalization. Fact is, when people complain, criticize, or suggest something over and over when it's obvious the answer is NO, then that IS whining.
And that is what the AS community is doing right now - repeating themselves like a broken record. They aren't trying to come up with different things, they aren't trying to have the curb tweaked to make it more fun. No, they are trying to get the devs to put in the old system of crafting, even though countless times they have been told that a lot of that stuff is going away (like encumberance, for instance).
You know how many times I have seen someone ignorantly claim "the old system wasn't broke!" FAR TOO MANY. It's broke. And it has been for a long time. It's broken in terms of balance. And yet, try as one might, no one can get these people to realize the old system is far too broken and unbalanced to be put into this new one - that putting it in would unbalance the game again.
So yes, there are plenty of whiners here. But the ones complaining of the whining are also the ones who want to get this forum back to being proactive, and figuring out NEW ways to make AS fun.
Sorry, but the reputation of the As forum being a bunch of complainers is well-deserved right now.
Spoken like a true appeaser.
You should hang your head in shame.
There is an irony to you saying that.
Not an appeaser - just one of the few with enough brains to realize we aren't going to have a fun profession by always insulting the people who make and work on the game.
If you want to troll the devs, go right ahead. I just will be over here to the side, trying to work with them rather than against them to make Armorsmith fun again.
I just hope anyone but this jerk gets it. He seems to be able to do little but bash others and belittle there ideas.
We need a member of the community not some wanabe dev to represent our concerns. Someone who can stand up and call a flop like this what it is to the devs cause his sort of sucking up will get us no where when we have so little time to get any changes
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Ciirybeccaskyr wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
SulkyMonkey wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
johnautry613 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Exactly. I almost feel the AS profession and forums would be healthier if all the whiners just up and quit already.
Every time I read the word 'Whiners' on this forum, I am reminded how immature the majority of the comunity is. Not the ones 'whining', but the ones who choose to look at any complaint, suggestion, or criticism as whining. I mean, they even use a word most commonly in the vocabulary of 4 year olds.
Message Edited by johnautry613 on 04-15-2005 06:01 AM
That is a rationalization. Fact is, when people complain, criticize, or suggest something over and over when it's obvious the answer is NO, then that IS whining.
And that is what the AS community is doing right now - repeating themselves like a broken record. They aren't trying to come up with different things, they aren't trying to have the curb tweaked to make it more fun. No, they are trying to get the devs to put in the old system of crafting, even though countless times they have been told that a lot of that stuff is going away (like encumberance, for instance).
You know how many times I have seen someone ignorantly claim "the old system wasn't broke!" FAR TOO MANY. It's broke. And it has been for a long time. It's broken in terms of balance. And yet, try as one might, no one can get these people to realize the old system is far too broken and unbalanced to be put into this new one - that putting it in would unbalance the game again.
So yes, there are plenty of whiners here. But the ones complaining of the whining are also the ones who want to get this forum back to being proactive, and figuring out NEW ways to make AS fun.
Sorry, but the reputation of the As forum being a bunch of complainers is well-deserved right now.
Spoken like a true appeaser.
You should hang your head in shame.
There is an irony to you saying that.
Not an appeaser - just one of the few with enough brains to realize we aren't going to have a fun profession by always insulting the people who make and work on the game.
If you want to troll the devs, go right ahead. I just will be over here to the side, trying to work with them rather than against them to make Armorsmith fun again.
I just hope anyone but this jerk gets it. He seems to be able to do little but bash others and belittle there ideas.
We need a member of the community not some wanabe dev to represent our concerns. Someone who can stand up and call a flop like this what it is to the devs cause his sort of sucking up will get us no where when we have so little time to get any changes
THEN GIVE ACTUAL IDEAS!!!!
I have yet to see an ACTUAL idea - all I have seen and spoken about is people crying over Okram even though he did something he shouldn't have.
In fact, I have from the beginning encouraged people to refocus their energies into putting up new ideas that could be implemented. Sorry, but "This sucks, anyone who doesn't like what okram did sucks, anyone who doesn't try to force the devs to put in the old crafting system sucks" does NOT classify as an "idea" to me. That is straight out whining like an infant.
PLEASE, I am all for ideas. Just stay proactive. If we miss the CURB deadline, roll with the punches and fight to get stuff in in the following publish. Just ENOUGH already with the backlash! It's sickening to see a whole community reduced to the maturity or a 2 year old!
And I for one am frustrated with it. And I hope in a sense that I do get the job, because if it means the people who can't conduct themselves in a respectful manner quit or respec, then I will be left with the clear-headed individuals, and we can get down to the business of making AS in the CURB a better profession, starting with fixing the 1 exp line...
You seem to be the only one here consistantly calling other people 12year olds , acting like 2 year olds, idiots ,whiners, blah blah blah.
I belive most of the armorsmith community is over the age of 20 because very simply this is the most complicated prof out there and requires a larger set up and learning curve investment than the vast majority of younger players are wililng to put into it.
So you can take your better than you attitued and lack of real ideas on how to get results and move on to the GAT forums where people that just want to worship the red and yellow names post.
If you are so closed minded as to not be able to see that this corse of actions has gotten us far more attention for our issues than any other approach ever would have you wouldnt make a very good community leader (as if there was really any question about that anyhow). Oak did what he knew would get the attention we needed and was willing to sacrifise his position to do it and thats far more than anyone would ever be able to say about you.
All your posts are exactly the same. Whiner... idiot... 12 year old.... 2 year old!!.. yada yada yada
There are tons of posts with great ideas and information and any armorsmith that is here for more than an ass kissing session would have read them by now.
* Are you knowledgeable about the Armorsmith profession? check
* Are you a community leader? check
* Can you objectively identify relevant issues and distinguish them from simply passionate arguments? check : hehe actually he was even too much under our "passionate arguments" and anyways I don't believe posts such as "CURB Resource Number-Crunching" can be considered "passionate arguments"...
* Do you like organizing information and corresponding with other members of a community? check