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Thread: Galaxy Wide Vendor Search

IcepickIIIDragonrider
Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:41 am
#105

Yeah, when i checked out the galaxy wide vendor search, I figured this was going to be a bane to the architect prof. I for one, sell houses....houses of all things. I am pretty well stocked, still building my infrastructure. I carry all styles from all planets. Unfortunately, there is no differentiation between my Large Tat compared to another persons Large Tat. Sooo when somebody can search and find a cheaper house, 9 out of 10 times they are gonna buy that. Who can blame them, I cant. Larges and most mediums are relatively stable in prices, not much price cutting. Smalls however is where it hits alot. 6-9k for these is 2-3 times less then what I sell for. I would go buy and resell them, but because they are smart they brand thier stuff.


One thing that I was very pleased with though is Droids. Ohhhh finally I found a droid vendor who actually stocks. None of that "email for order" stuff. I was actually able to pickup two droids and have an eye on a few more. I mean come on, ive been wanting to get one of those binary lifters for soooo long. Nobody carries them though, just cuz they arent useful. Which they arent...im not gonna argue that.


Anyways, overall I think its a hit and miss, quite a few misses actually. Maybe there will be some changes to how it runs in the next couple weeks, as we all work the kinks out.



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Jutewr
Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:48 am
#106






cosno wrote:





Pawlin wrote:


But of course on the other hand it so easy to verify this time cause all we have to do is log into Corbantis and then browse the vendor search looking for 50k heavies made by Blackstarr. Oh, I forgot... they all sold out."I now have a completely empty stock of harvesters, large and medium houses, and city buildings." Darn that makes it hard to verify. How convenient.





LMAO - your posts always make me laugh. I will have to create a character there and try to look him up.




hehe If no one beats me to it, I'll check when I get a chance to log in later.






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Stownhart
Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:44 am
#107






Pawlin wrote:




Ya the moderators are very tough on people who wonder from the stated topic of a thread. I'd better watch myself.


Ok, so you are one that prefers to twist a thread topic around to your own insult wars....yawn...


Yes lets get back on topic and ignore everything you said above and below about your prices and your last thread with the general attack against anyone who doesn't agree with your prices which you've since doubled.


Ok, so you are one to ignore 90% of a post to attack a 10% part that you can use for your little insult war...yawn...


Interesting reasoning there considering we've never had natural decay at all. Buit I'm glad you've rationalized it to yourself. Just double your prices one more time and you'll be like the rest of us. Please pop back here in a couple months to let us know when you've come around.


"Rationalize myself"...hmmm...so this is how you reply when you realize you have no winning arguement...yawn...


Yes so if anyone comes here out of the blue with a post count <50 and chimes in to support you then its simply a pure coincidence. Ok.


I believe a couple people have agreed with your statements. So you are saying that it is impossible that they are NOT ushered into this thread by yourself?...stretch...yawn...


Hmm am I supposed to say that walmart isn't successful and demonstrate howstupid I am? Or am I supposed to say they are successful and make you think it validates one of your points cause you compared yourself to them?


Yes Walmart is successful. Any good debate on pricing should include a mention of Walmart.


Microsoft and Nordstroms are successful too. 7-eleven is pretty successful. Simple question: Do you deny the success of these companies?


When I was a child there was a childish come-back, something about rubber and glue. Why didn't you just use this instead here? it would have sounded more mature...yawn...stretch...yawn...


OK, fair enough. You weren't directly insulting anyone yet. You were just saying that your prices are 'reasonable' and thats not really such an insult.


So you are sooo intuned with nothing but insults that you are waiting with baited breath for them?...yawn...


Good, we've got a WP. I'm sure someone will be on their way there soon and will tell us all about it. And since you just restocked your full line today then there should be something there so they can verify what your saying. Unless you just happened to have sold out again already cause galaxy wide search works so well.


Do you actually believe that I feel I need to validate myself to anyone? Think again, your assurance of the validity of my claims is the least of my worries...stretch...yawn...


I don't have respect for these forums since my shop location is in my signature?

Thats a good one. Look around man, most people have their shop WP's in their signature. So all those people lack respect too??


Oh, you ushered in all these people too?...yawn...stretch...yawn...


Yes that must be it. We should have all known it was a reasonable explanation. You were just moving at the time. Of course. I'm glad you've cleared up that misunderstanding.



I'm glad you're still not insulting anyone.

/chuckle


Here's some advice from a wise turtle puppet: "I'm not supposed to eat the legos."


Very good work here. Imply that I'm being ignorant and acting it. Thats not a personal attack though technically since you didn't actually call me any names. You just gave me some friendly advice.How nice of you to educate me about how I shouldn't be ignorant. /golfclap


Yes and we should definitely get back on topic. Which is how good the galaxy wide vendor search is for you and anyone who has"reasonable" prices.


Yes so please proceed on that topic by telling us all more about how many walls you make in a day and give us some more wisdom about how we as crafters should think out of the box and be like Sams Club to justify undercutting each other.


hmmm...all the above statements, well...yawn...stretch...yawn...stretch...

You're input is just as boring as ever.



Stownhart, tell us : how much is in your bank account?





My bank account...hmmm. Well let's see this will obviously go; I say xxx number of credits. You insultingly reply that you don't believe me and I need to do more validating and rationalizing. I say ok, I'll take a screen shot to show you. Yu say screen shots can be doctored by any graphics program. I say well there's no way to actually show you the proof. You make more insults that I am lieing or whatever...


Um exactly why did you ask this? It couldn't have been a more obvious setup for a insult war...


YAWN......


Cafa
Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:09 am
#108


Now, Pawlin, take a timeout so flame wars don't erupt.


Heck with that, flame to troll.


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P.S. Dear Mods, could you find it so damn hard not to delete threads and just delete posts so you stop screwing up the Architect forum over one troll in a thread?

Message Edited by Cafa on 03-26-2005 09:11 AM



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IcepickIIIDragonrider
Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:28 am
#109

Fight! Fight!Fight!


"Rumble of the Architects" on Pay-per-view, call your local Imperial cable provider for only 2000 credits. The drama, the laughter, the sadness, come witness what will be forever known as the "Another argument about pricing, when really everybody should form up...and undercut his prices. Sure you will lose money, but hey, Walmart does it against local grocery stores. Cant beat them, then kill em, drive them into the ground." A rather long name...so thats why we stuck with "Rumble of the Architects.


Lines are open now!



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Hazelina
Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:12 pm
#110






Stownhart wrote:





Pawlin wrote:




Ya the moderators are very tough on people who wonder from the stated topic of a thread. I'd better watch myself.


Ok, so you are one that prefers to twist a thread topic around to your own insult wars....yawn...


Yes lets get back on topic and ignore everything you said above and below about your prices and your last thread with the general attack against anyone who doesn't agree with your prices which you've since doubled.


Ok, so you are one to ignore 90% of a post to attack a 10% part that you can use for your little insult war...yawn...


Interesting reasoning there considering we've never had natural decay at all. Buit I'm glad you've rationalized it to yourself. Just double your prices one more time and you'll be like the rest of us. Please pop back here in a couple months to let us know when you've come around.


"Rationalize myself"...hmmm...so this is how you reply when you realize you have no winning arguement...yawn...


Yes so if anyone comes here out of the blue with a post count <50 and chimes in to support you then its simply a pure coincidence. Ok.


I believe a couple people have agreed with your statements. So you are saying that it is impossible that they are NOT ushered into this thread by yourself?...stretch...yawn...


Hmm am I supposed to say that walmart isn't successful and demonstrate howstupid I am? Or am I supposed to say they are successful and make you think it validates one of your points cause you compared yourself to them?


Yes Walmart is successful. Any good debate on pricing should include a mention of Walmart.


Microsoft and Nordstroms are successful too. 7-eleven is pretty successful. Simple question: Do you deny the success of these companies?


When I was a child there was a childish come-back, something about rubber and glue. Why didn't you just use this instead here? it would have sounded more mature...yawn...stretch...yawn...


OK, fair enough. You weren't directly insulting anyone yet. You were just saying that your prices are 'reasonable' and thats not really such an insult.


So you are sooo intuned with nothing but insults that you are waiting with baited breath for them?...yawn...


Good, we've got a WP. I'm sure someone will be on their way there soon and will tell us all about it. And since you just restocked your full line today then there should be something there so they can verify what your saying. Unless you just happened to have sold out again already cause galaxy wide search works so well.


Do you actually believe that I feel I need to validate myself to anyone? Think again, your assurance of the validity of my claims is the least of my worries...stretch...yawn...


I don't have respect for these forums since my shop location is in my signature?

Thats a good one. Look around man, most people have their shop WP's in their signature. So all those people lack respect too??


Oh, you ushered in all these people too?...yawn...stretch...yawn...


Yes that must be it. We should have all known it was a reasonable explanation. You were just moving at the time. Of course. I'm glad you've cleared up that misunderstanding.



I'm glad you're still not insulting anyone.

/chuckle


Here's some advice from a wise turtle puppet: "I'm not supposed to eat the legos."


Very good work here. Imply that I'm being ignorant and acting it. Thats not a personal attack though technically since you didn't actually call me any names. You just gave me some friendly advice.How nice of you to educate me about how I shouldn't be ignorant. /golfclap


Yes and we should definitely get back on topic. Which is how good the galaxy wide vendor search is for you and anyone who has"reasonable" prices.


Yes so please proceed on that topic by telling us all more about how many walls you make in a day and give us some more wisdom about how we as crafters should think out of the box and be like Sams Club to justify undercutting each other.


hmmm...all the above statements, well...yawn...stretch...yawn...stretch...

You're input is just as boring as ever.



Stownhart, tell us : how much is in your bank account?





My bank account...hmmm. Well let's see this will obviously go; I say xxx number of credits. You insultingly reply that you don't believe me and I need to do more validating and rationalizing. I say ok, I'll take a screen shot to show you. Yu say screen shots can be doctored by any graphics program. I say well there's no way to actually show you the proof. You make more insults that I am lieing or whatever...


Um exactly why did you ask this? It couldn't have been a more obvious setup for a insult war...


YAWN......








Just FYI to anybody reading this guys BS Stownhart is a troll and a liar. He tucked tail and ran out of this thread when he was exposed as such:


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=architect&message.id=72026&page=1





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Hazelina
Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:24 pm
#111






Dvnce wrote:





Stownhart wrote:

I apologize for the term I used, "unreasonable", As it seams to have upset you a bit. I didn't realize that the use of a unoffensive word to voice my opinion on a matter would be viewed with such distain.


But BACK to topic: My main point is that the vendor search option can have it's benefits. This is especially true if the Devs fine-tune it a bit, as I pointed out above. I for one praise the v.14 patch. I like the venor search, farther view distances, and streamlined terrain graphics. My entries into this thread were more geared towards the topic, not pricing wars.






See this is the problem StownHart.. I truly Believe that your only intention here is to try to rhyle people up. I dont believe that you even really sell at these prices.. ( not even sure if you craft )




He doesn't. Nobody remember this thread?


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=architect&message.id=72026&page=1


The guyspewedthis same load of crap a few months ago and got a 4 page flame war going. I happen to play on Corbantis and me and a few other people wandered all over looking for this guys vendor. He refused to give us the vendor location and when pressed for the location to back up his claims he dissapeared from the thread. We finally DID find his house and he had like a 50k credit entrance fee. The guy is full of sh*t. He's just here trolling.




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Pawlin
Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:29 pm
#112






Stownhart wrote:





Pawlin wrote:




Ok, so you are one that prefers to twist a thread topic around to your own insult wars....yawn...


Ok, so you are one to ignore 90% of a post to attack a 10% part that you can use for your little insult war...yawn...


Nice touch there by using the word "war". Makes it sound all dramatic.


This is not a flame war. ITs not an insult war. Get that straight.


Trying to spin this as an "insult war" against you is actually good evidence that you're trolling. You make outrageous claims. People react to it. Then you accuse anyone and everyone of attacking you. Its now an "insult war" against your person. You dodge any debate of the actual points you made and instead accuse everyone of attakcing you personally. All the while you throw in inciteful language of your own to try and fuel the fire and if someone points that out you act all innnocent and baffled over why anyone would be insulted. This is classic trolling. Whether its intentional or not, thats exactly what you're doing.


But to the point: Could you please cite what the insults are that I've made? Cause I'm not even sure of what I'm being accused here. You didn't actually say what the insults are that I've made.


Is disagreeing with you or doubting you the insult? Cause I'm free to challenge your argument all I want and thats not an insult. Dissecting and debating what you say is not an insult.



Interesting reasoning there considering we've never had natural decay at all. Buit I'm glad you've rationalized it to yourself. Just double your prices one more time and you'll be like the rest of us. Please pop back here in a couple months to let us know when you've come around.


"Rationalize myself"...hmmm...so this is how you reply when you realize you have no winning arguement...yawn...


Oh, you didn't come up with a shaky explanation for why you had to double your prices? Seems to me that you did. Well why didn't the rest of us all respond the same way and double our prices? If its ok for you to double your prices then why isn't it ok for the rest of us to increase our prices?


Fact is that the demand for our product is low. It has been low for a while. Even lower demand won't drive up prices though as long as supply is high enough to easily meet or exceed the demand.


What if I were to say that my prices started at 10k per heavy. Then they introduced experimentation in harvesters so I doubled my prices. Then the hologrind came out and ore was hard to find so I doubled my prices. Then the hologrind ended and nobody was buying anything so I doubled my prices. Then JTL launched and ore was hard to find so I doubled my prices. Then they removed structures dying which decreased demand so I doubled my prices. Would that be reasonable?


When would Walmart double their prices?



Yes so if anyone comes here out of the blue with a post count <50 and chimes in to support you then its simply a pure coincidence. Ok.


I believe a couple people have agreed with your statements. So you are saying that it is impossible that they are NOT ushered into this thread by yourself?...stretch...yawn...


The other people who disagree with you here are also architects who frequent this forum. That is easily verified by checking their post history.


The person who came to your aid in the other thread was not an architect, had never posted in this forum before and had a very low post count. See the thing is I've never seen that happen before. So I"m pointing out its quite an odd coincidence. That you just happened to wander in here out of the blue, start up a very incitefulargument and then one of your customers just also happens to wander in here out of the blue to support you. Then you wander off. This is not typical.


Of course it is possible that it was a pure coincidence. I'm not saying it isn't possible.



Hmm am I supposed to say that walmart isn't successful and demonstrate howstupid I am? Or am I supposed to say they are successful and make you think it validates one of your points cause you compared yourself to them?


Yes Walmart is successful. Any good debate on pricing should include a mention of Walmart.


Microsoft and Nordstroms are successful too. 7-eleven is pretty successful. Simple question: Do you deny the success of these companies?


When I was a child there was a childish come-back, something about rubber and glue. Why didn't you just use this instead here? it would have sounded more mature...yawn...stretch...yawn...


Wow! Thats a good one. Lets see: you ask me if I deny that walmart makes money. Then I say yes they make money. Then I ask you if Microsoft, Nordstroms and 7-eleven make money. Then you call me childish. Huh.I did what you did and itschildish? Thats quite good.


Ok so you asked me if Walmart makes money. I said yes. So whats your point? Did you have a point? Why did you ask if Walmart makes money? I answered the question so... Ya gonna try and make a point there or just leave me hanging? Please let me know where you were going with that cause I"m curious.


Does Nordstroms make money? Whats your answer?



I'm failing to see how any of this is 'childish' but if it helps you to paint me as being childish rather than actually debate the topic then thats ok with me. It adds to the evidence that you have no valid points or even any interest in actually discussing the topic and you're relly just here to cause and perpetuate an argument in an attempt to get a rise out of people and incite flaming.



OK, fair enough. You weren't directly insulting anyone yet. You were just saying that your prices are 'reasonable' and thats not really such an insult.


So you are sooo intuned with nothing but insults that you are waiting with baited breath for them?...yawn...


/squint I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make now. I guess that you're saying that since I know nothing but insults then thats all I see and my world revolves around it? Is my heart also a shriveled up lump of coal? Something like that? ONce again you're trying to just divert it into about how mean I am. You're trying to paint this discussion as an attack on you. You say something outrageous, people react to it and then you accuse everyone of attacking you. Thats trolling.



Good, we've got a WP. I'm sure someone will be on their way there soon and will tell us all about it. And since you just restocked your full line today then there should be something there so they can verify what your saying. Unless you just happened to have sold out again already cause galaxy wide search works so well.


Do you actually believe that I feel I need to validate myself to anyone? Think again, your assurance of the validity of my claims is the least of my worries...stretch...yawn...


Yes you do seem to have a need to validate yourself.

This is evidenced by all the information you have given about how big your business is and how your pricing model is wonderful cause you're like Sams Club. People don't brag if they don't care what others think. You brag because you want to impress people. You wouldn't try to impress people if you don't care what they think. You wouldn't post details about how big your businesss is and how brilliant your pricing model is if you weren't trying to impress people. Yes thats all about you validating yourself in the eyes of others.



I don't have respect for these forums since my shop location is in my signature?

Thats a good one. Look around man, most people have their shop WP's in their signature. So all those people lack respect too??


Oh, you ushered in all these people too?...yawn...stretch...yawn...


Wow, thats a good one. Actually I'm quite impressed. Honest. Since your 'customer' supported you and I doubted that coincedence, you now can point to anyone and everyone else in this forum as being enlisted by me. Anyone who does anything different than you or disagrees with you is now just my crony inlisted in my insult war against you? Wow. Actually I'm quite flattered that you'd imply I could be such a puppet master of my peers. /chuckle


Of course it doesn't actually make your point though. YOu claimed that putting your WP in your sig is somehow disrespectful. I pointed out that tons of people do that.I'm honestly baffled how that could be disrespectful of anything or anyone to list our shops locations in our signatures. Its common practice.


So tell us, exactly how is it bad to have your shops WP in your sig???



...



Stownhart, tell us : how much is in your bank account?





My bank account...hmmm. Well let's see this will obviously go; I say xxx number of credits. You insultingly reply that you don't believe me and I need to do more validating and rationalizing. I say ok, I'll take a screen shot to show you. Yu say screen shots can be doctored by any graphics program. I say well there's no way to actually show you the proof. You make more insults that I am lieing or whatever...


Um exactly why did you ask this? It couldn't have been a more obvious setup for a insult war...


YAWN......


Ok, I'm asking what your bank balance is because I honestly don't know.


It IS actually relevant to the discussion.


We're really just arguing about the viability of different business models. Businesses are measured by the performance at the bottom line. If Walmart were bankrupt then it would not support the feasibility of their business model. But they make a lot of money so people can't doubt that it works. The proof is in the bottom line. SO your bottom line is legitimate proof of your points.


I promise if you say how much is in your bank account then I will not dispute the figure.



Or you could just continue to claim that I'm waging an insult war against you while you call me bitter, childish and ignorant etc. Whichever you think will win the debate more.










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cosno
Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:58 pm
#113






Pawlin wrote:





Stownhart wrote:

...My average customer is a Mayor or guild leader that will come buy a hundred of an item at once, or factory crates in many instances....





What kinds of things do mayors and guild leaders buy from you in factory crates?







Judging by his inventory on his little set of vendors - My guess would ge streetlamps. He has lots of factory crates of streetlamps.Its also neat that his merchant tent lies outside the city limits of a reseearch city - and he names his business after a gas station - StarrMart - lol - how original.



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SonOfAGhost
Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:03 pm
#114

Please don't feed the troll.



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bluejanus
Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:48 pm
#115






SonOfAGhost wrote:
Please don't feed the troll.





Don't you know? Flames are the fire that run the combustion engine that is the Internet.





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Stownhart
Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:15 pm
#116

Well, I did have several comments to reply to above statements, but I'd rather get to playing the game. Have fun being trolls claiming others are such.


Smart_Darwin
Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:29 pm
#117

A few weeks back I had to dig around the net for the defenition of troll. That is no longer necessary


I too feel indifferent about this new "search" tool. On the one hand, I am glad the devs have paid some attention to thier non-combatants, though whether this system will ultimately benefit crafters or combatants is still undecided. I had to look for a few resource containers and was able to find EXACTLY what I needed and in the amounts I needed them. I did not pay less as the price of resources does not seem to be changing. Ironically, one of the vendor waypoints led me back to a shop I frequented before


On a negative note, I have not sold much since this system was implemented. I was told that my furniture is more expensive than it should be by a "customer" that was trying to be helpful. This is the first time this has EVER happend. I have a large inventory of furniture and lighting; my customers know that they were going to find exactly what they needed when they came to my shop. If they paid a little more, they walked away satisfied and I was compensated for my increased risk/overhead. Rather than moving 700k worth of stuff, I have sold exaclty 5400 creds worth. My houses are [roced about 500 creds above what seems to be the average price point and I have not sold a single one... still I am going to wait and see. Wearing my Master Archi tag has generated a few large custom orders and they will pay for my power and maintenance needs for about another week or two.


I cant make heads or tails of the sorting mechanism. When I sort by name, I expect an lpha sort, but I guess this is alpha*time remaining, resutling in a meaningless organization. My approach to purchasing has been to find the first item to come close to my needs/price point. After a few more days spent infront of a bazzar terminal, I think many will do the same and the price pressure will easea tad.


If all else fails, I will have enough heavies to drop archi and sell you guys resources lol!


Actually, I can't stand the combat. If this doesnt stablise in the next few weeks, Im gonna try single player games for a while



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