Architect Archive

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sashimiforme wrote:
This profession feels more and more like a real job everyday lol.

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lol, I've felt that way since I hit master and changed the title over my head. Anyway, as far as pricing goes, 25-50k is just rather absurd. Perhaps it does create a profit over timer, but when you consider that to ensure you're making a BER13, you're using steel and ore that would probably go for 3-5cpu on their own just selling them as resource stacks, what's unreasonable about factoring that into your pricing? Then of course the costs for factory runs, maintenance and power costs, what if you only got a good success on experimentation? I don't have any skill tapes, and my tools and stations are pretty good, but not perfect. Crating out 400 walls a day huh? so a full 1k would take approximately 2 1/2 days. Now over time, let's say 4k of walls in 10 days. Guess what ladies and gentleman that is 8.8 million units of ore, and 3.2 million units of metal. To mine that amount of resources in 10 days, assuming an 80% concentration would take 59 BER13's for the ore, and 22 BER13's for the metal. Doable? yes, definitely, well, except for the 80% concentration of ore, I don't know about you, but it's a stretch to find 65% for me, and I travel the whole damn planet looking, but as far as lots, especially in a large city/guild with people not using their lots, but then you have to figure in, as I said earlier, the quality steel and ore, where is that coming from? and the inert gas, reactive gas, etc. etc. That would be the biggest headache and would eat up so much playing time as to just make it not worth it, or rather, worth it, i.e. a higher price. It's not just a one for one cpu pricing, it's about time and effort too.

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Elyssa wrote:

I, personally, am just waiting for the system to crater under its own weight.

A better implemented system could have been win-win for everyone, but then again, OMU's don't crate either.

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I knew you would come home out of the cold Merchant forum eventually

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MasterVan wrote:
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...Guess what ladies and gentleman that is 8.8 million units of ore, and 3.2 million units of metal. To mine that amount of resources in 10 days, assuming an 80% concentration would take 59 BER13's for the ore, and 22 BER13's for the metal. Doable? ...

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Pawlin wrote:

/chuckle

I see that our troll is back. See previous thread.

I wonder if Kallaswi will be joining us too?

I'm sure they read every single one of your posts and dilligently jump into any arguments you might be in irregardless of what forum it is or what time of night. Most of my customers do that for me. Doesn't everyone?

And it only took 1-2 posts before he mentioned Sams Club. Nice twist there on the Walmart argument.

The insults are getting more refined this time to. Instead of leading by declaring that everyone elseis a child: "Appearantly the vast majority of SWG players are children, and have not had a chance to learn such." he instead just uses "unreasonable" and then get irritated when people get irritated. Subtle.

Last time it was "farce", "atrocities", "ripped off", "thieves", "over price", "wrong doing" and "conman". But of course we aren't done yet. He's probably got 3-4 more posts before he wanders off.

Hmm.. Looks like he's doubled his price since the last time though...

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Stownhart wrote:

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As an example of REALISTIC pricing here is a short pricing list of my most common wares;

Small Houses (all) - 5,000

Medium House (all) - 25,000

Large House (all) - 50,000

Personal Harvesters (BER4) - 2,000

Medium Harvester (BER10) - 10,000

Heavy Harvesters (BER13) - 25,000

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Wonder why? WHy isn't he charging the 'realistic' price of 25k still? Why would someone double their prices??

I wonder if this time we'll get a WP for the shop? Wonder if the shop is still 4k out in the middle of nowhere amongst the krayt spawns out on Tatooine with a 'closed' sign and a 50k entrance fee?

But of course on the other hand it so easy to verify this time cause all we have to do is log into Corbantis and then browse the vendor search looking for 50k heavies made by Blackstarr. Oh, I forgot... they all sold out."I now have a completely empty stock of harvesters, large and medium houses, and city buildings." Darn that makes it hard to verify. How convenient.

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Stownhart wrote:
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Sigh...another bout with the bashers. Well, ok...How about first I remind you of my end statements in my last post that we should get back on topic? Hello...moderators...you listening?

Ya the moderators are very tough on people who wonder from the stated topic of a thread. I'd better watch myself.

For those of you that forgot what the title of this thread was since you opened it, it's about the new bazaar search option. Not pricing wars. I only mentioned my prices as a way to show that the new search can work to one's advantage. I replied to comments about my pricing in short. But come on BACK TO TOPIC OK?

Yes lets get back on topic and ignore everything you said above and below about your prices and your last thread with the general attack against anyone who doesn't agree with your prices which you've since doubled.

But again I will be the fair and reasonable one and answer comments...sigh...

First, yes I increased my prices on a FEW items since the referred to thread. Reason - the non-decay patch. Harvesters are becoming less sought after, demand is down,so should be more valuable.

Interesting reasoning there considering we've never had natural decay at all. Buit I'm glad you've rationalized it to yourself. Just double your prices one more time and you'll be like the rest of us. Please pop back here in a couple months to let us know when you've come around.

Did you make any note that my house prices remain unchanged? No. As do all of my furniture prices, decoration prices, vehicle prices, loot schematic item prices, miscellaneous item prices...all have remained unchanged. All of these items have proven to retain the same demand properties.

Will anyone be joining this thread? That is their decision. I have never invited any other player into any thread. Do you actually believe that players I know never read these forums on their own?

Yes so if anyone comes here out of the blue with a post count <50 and chimes in to support you then its simply a pure coincidence. Ok.

Only one simple question regarding one of your comments...Do you deny the success of Wal-Mart / Sam's-Club?

Hmm am I supposed to say that walmart isn't successful and demonstrate howstupid I am? Or am I supposed to say they are successful and make you think it validates one of your points cause you compared yourself to them?

Yes Walmart is successful. Any good debate on pricing should include a mention of Walmart.

Microsoft and Nordstroms are successful too. 7-eleven is pretty successful. Simple question: Do you deny the success of these companies?

Insults...hmmm. tell me where exactly did that happen here? Are you referring to my politely stated opinion that some things other players institute are "unreasonable"? Are you then suggesting that I should not have an opinion of other player's methods? I then should kowtow to any standard they dictate lest be insulting? Will they be paying my SOE subscription then?

OK, fair enough. You weren't directly insulting anyone yet. You were just saying that your prices are 'reasonable' and thats not really such an insult.

But AGAIN back to topic. I don't only sell harvesters on my vendor, so the new search tool can still be used to search for my shop for; harvesters, houses, city building, factories, statues, gardens, fountains, street lamps, furniture, decor, loot schematic items, swoops, tools, medical supplies, and a wide array of miscellaneous items. But of course I also just restocked my entire line of houses harvesters and factories today. So use the vendor search on those too.

I always refrain from advertising my shop's WP on the profession's forums, because that is not what they are here for. But since you are insistent that I am hiding it (who knows why you would think that) it is 2K outside of Theed at -3180 5354.

Good, we've got a WP. I'm sure someone will be on their way there soon and will tell us all about it. And since you just restocked your full line today then there should be something there so they can verify what your saying. Unless you just happened to have sold out again already cause galaxy wide search works so well.

But of course I can see by your use of the Signature options you don't have the same respect for these forums.

I don't have respect for these forums since my shop location is in my signature?

Thats a good one. Look around man, most people have their shop WP's in their signature. So all those people lack respect too??

The old shop with the "closed sign" and 50K entrance...think maybe I was in transition from one shop location to another?

Yes that must be it. We should have all known it was a reasonable explanation. You were just moving at the time. Of course. I'm glad you've cleared up that misunderstanding.

P.S. Listen I understand (from your posts) that you are bitter with the world.

I'm glad you're still not insulting anyone.

/chuckle

However, take the advice from an age old adage - Think ignorantly and speak it and everyone knows you're ignorant, Keep quiet and keep them guessing.

Here's some advice from a wise turtle puppet: "I'm not supposed to eat the legos."

Very good work here. Imply that I'm being ignorant and acting it. Thats not a personal attack though technically since you didn't actually call me any names. You just gave me some friendly advice.How nice of you to educate me about how I shouldn't be ignorant. /golfclap

Now ONCE AGAIN can we get back to topic?

Yes and we should definitely get back on topic. Which is how good the galaxy wide vendor search is for you and anyone who has"reasonable" prices.

Yes so please proceed on that topic by telling us all more about how many walls you make in a day and give us some more wisdom about how we as crafters should think out of the box and be like Sams Club to justify undercutting each other.

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Stownhart, tell us : how much is in your bank account?

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Stownhart wrote:

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As an example of REALISTIC pricing here is a short pricing list of my most common wares;

Small Houses (all) - 5,000 - Correct with several in stock.

Medium House (all) - 25,000 - Correct with a few in stock

Large House (all) - 50,000 - Correct with a few in stock

Personal Harvesters (BER4) - 2,000 - NOPE you sell these for 5k and not 2k

Medium Harvester (BER10) - 10,000 - NOPE - your BER9 Floras are 25k as are all of your mediums.

Heavy Harvesters (BER13) - 25,000 - You have your BER12 Minerals for 50k and only a few.

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cosno wrote:

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Stownhart wrote:

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As an example of REALISTIC pricing here is a short pricing list of my most common wares;

Small Houses (all) - 5,000 - Correct with several in stock.

Medium House (all) - 25,000 - Correct with a few in stock

Large House (all) - 50,000 - Correct with a few in stock

Personal Harvesters (BER4) - 2,000 - NOPE you sell these for 5k and not 2k

Medium Harvester (BER10) - 10,000 - NOPE - your BER9 Floras are 25k as are all of your mediums.

Heavy Harvesters (BER13) - 25,000 - You have your BER12 Minerals for 50k and only a few.

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Factories - 25k

Guild Halls - 150k

Banks & Cantinas - 100k

City Hall - 200k

Garage, Hospital, Cloning, Theater's - 100k

Swoops - 20k

Fireworks Show package crate 20 for 25k - ouch

Tons and tons of streetlamps for 1k each - you have enough streetlamps for an entire server. lmao

Well thats my visit to StarrMart (yes he named his shop after a gas station) a small merchant tent located just outside the city limits of a research Center called Parjem JPN

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HEY NOW.... I sell the HECK OUT of some Streetlamps

Message Edited by dantaglo on 03-25-2005 11:13 PM

Message Edited by dantaglo on 03-26-2005 03:57 AM

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Stownhart wrote:

Sigh...another bout with the bashers. Well, ok...How about first I remind you of my end statements in my last post that we should get back on topic? Hello...moderators...you listening? For those of you that forgot what the title of this thread was since you opened it, it's about the new bazaar search option. Not pricing wars. I only mentioned my prices as a way to show that the new search can work to one's advantage. I replied to comments about my pricing in short. But come on BACK TO TOPIC OK?

But again I will be the fair and reasonable one and answer comments...sigh...

First, yes I increased my prices on a FEW items since the referred to thread. Reason - the non-decay patch. Harvesters are becoming less sought after, demand is down,so should be more valuable. Did you make any note that my house prices remain unchanged? No. As do all of my furniture prices, decoration prices, vehicle prices, loot schematic item prices, miscellaneous item prices...all have remained unchanged. All of these items have proven to retain the same demand properties.

Will anyone be joining this thread? That is their decision. I have never invited any other player into any thread. Do you actually believe that players I know never read these forums on their own?

Only one simple question regarding one of your comments...Do you deny the success of Wal-Mart / Sam's-Club?

Insults...hmmm. tell me where exactly did that happen here? Are you referring to my politely stated opinion that some things other players institute are "unreasonable"? Are you then suggesting that I should not have an opinion of other player's methods? I then should kowtow to any standard they dictate lest be insulting? Will they be paying my SOE subscription then?

But AGAIN back to topic. I don't only sell harvesters on my vendor, so the new search tool can still be used to search for my shop for; harvesters, houses, city building, factories, statues, gardens, fountains, street lamps, furniture, decor, loot schematic items, swoops, tools, medical supplies, and a wide array of miscellaneous items. But of course I also just restocked my entire line of houses harvesters and factories today. So use the vendor search on those too.

I always refrain from advertising my shop's WP on the profession's forums, because that is not what they are here for. But since you are insistent that I am hiding it (who knows why you would think that) it is 2K outside of Theed at -3180 5354. But of course I can see by your use of the Signature options you don't have the same respect for these forums. The old shop with the "closed sign" and 50K entrance...think maybe I was in transition from one shop location to another?

P.S. Listen I understand (from your posts) that you are bitter with the world. However, take the advice from an age old adage - Think ignorantly and speak it and everyone knows you're ignorant, Keep quiet and keep them guessing. Now ONCE AGAIN can we get back to topic?

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