Architect Archive
Thread: /pay command isn't working on harvs and factories + arguing with Pawlin thread
funny to se how this tread started out and how the stuff keeps getting imto discussion on lotswaps 
lol
we dont need em. but it helps out for some of us
DesktopSaki wrote:
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On Eclipse, opening bids for armorsmith (or WS)materials that are in shift run 3-5 cpu. That's other AS/WS setting the prices, not the sellers. Anything older is at least 5 cpu unless you get lucky; some of my materials are 20 to 100 cpu. (That's not including organics.) After spending 40 million plus all my profits on getting the best I can get, I'm still coming up short. So my choices are: put out mediocre armor, which is not why I'm an AS, or harvest myself, which I can do.
Come to think of it, maybe my situation is unique to Eclipse. I mean, 5.5 cpu offers for something that just shifted in is insane.
DesktopSaki wrote:
...But I'm still not selling enough (despite some mighty fine armor at mighty fair prices) to buy all the resources I need. ...
Ardelis wrote:
... all these people who claim to be so self sufficient on 10 lots contradict themselves in every post, they still depend on the open market, AKA,Lot Swappers....
Sure I suppose a lot of the materials I buy now are from lot swappers. But that doesn't mean the market needs lot swapping.
I drive my car to work but that does not mean that I NEED a drive my car to work.
Just because lot swapping exists now does not mean we need it.
If the lot swapping went away tomorrow then the market would have to figure out another way to provide the needed resources.. Prices may go up. There might be short term scarcity. We've seen this before during the hologrind and then for a period at JTL launch. The market will adjust.
The market does not NEED lot swapping. People can rent lots. I know an ex-miner on my server that rented lots and he had the biggest operation on the server and made billions. I know another ex-miner who did the same and had the 2nd biggest operation. Its certainly possible to run a big mining operation without lot swapping.
I run a small static mining operation on Sunrunner. I've been doing so for over a year. With the lots of 2 accounts I can easily put out 500k of ore a week. A few people like this can replace the lot swappers easily.
Ardelis wrote:
4) Lot swappers provide at least 90% of all resources on the game, period, take thataway, and well, we'll see.....................
Got any data to back that 90% number? Or is that just a guess or assumption?
I really don't understand why people keep trying to argue that they NEED something that can easily be replaced by something else.
Are we all working with different definitions of the word NEED here?
Ardelis wrote:
Someone wrote:
He said you can't run an Archi business without lot swaps. I do. You can.
I buy the bulk of my resources on the open market. Its not from buddies, guildmates or any network. I just go to galaxy vendor search and search for the cheapest stacks of 100k ore or whatever else I need. I have no problems finding plenty of grind material for 1-2 cpu.
I currently have 2 shops, 3 structure, 2 equipment and 1 food factory. Which is plenty to keep my business running. So yes I can honestly say I manage my business fine with my own lots. I do have an alt but use those lots for other things.
If fewer people felt that they HAD to use lot swaps then it would open the market up for more architects and likelyincrease our prices.
I've seen 30 versions off this written in different ways on this thread. Notice the key words, "I have no problems finding plenty of grind material for 1-2 cpu." Well thats the problem, all these people who claim to be so self sufficient on 10 lots contradict themselves in every post, they still depend on the open market, AKA,Lot Swappers.When your vendor searching the galaxy and find that nice stash of an 'identical resource', guess what?..... Thats right, its a lot swapperproducing that.You think an architect can get 800k ofan identical type of ore w/o lot swappers? At least make a new profession called miningand give them 100+ lots.
Why is lot swapping needed?
1) It's nice to be able to walkina vendor and get 1 million units of the same resource so you can use a full schematic to build 1000 components of w/e your building. Other wise, architects,WS's, AS's, would bein a serial code/schematic frenzy. If i put 2 million units of the same type of ore on my vendor, it won't last 12 hours.
2) I'm not gonna waste my time as a non- crafter with 8 mines makeing 100k per week. I'll pick up my mines and lay out a guild halland go run some more profitable BH missions.
3) Servers like mine, tempest, are always running out of resources.Ore is always in demand, as well as many other resources. I have to purchase power in huge supplies weeks ahead of schedule because power is sorare.
4) Lot swappers provide at least 90% of all resources on the game, period, take thataway, and well, we'll see.....................
5)Scenario, arch has house, 2 lots, arch has 2 factories, thats 2 more lots, which leaves him 6. 6 large ber 13 harvestors operating at 60% efficiency will produce about 11k units per day. Spawns last about 8 days, so for 6 of these, your looking at roughly 525k of resources. So you can't say that an architect can be self sufficient either. When I was an arch, i was burning 500k units of ore in a couple of days, not to count all the steel, iron, copper, aluminium, etc. thats needed.
I think the people who make the decisions, like, removing /pay function for admin's, should actually be forced to play the game and fully understand its inner workings.
Removing Lot Swaps.. WILL take a HUGE chunk of the Supply out of each Server.. Which will Create A HUGE demand for Resources Causing Prices To Rise ( hopefully you are smart enough to raise the prices of your finished goods to compensate ) I would bet that for every person that uses all 10 of there lots on a server there are 4 that use just enough for a house and 1 that use None of their lots. When Prices rise and there is GOOD profit in mining we will see MANY of these people flocking to the Mining Business to cash in.. This market will get Saturated and now Miners will start competing to sell their goods and Prices will start to fall Once again. Lot Swaps Barely were a concept Up until the Jedi Grind Craze of early 2004.. we had almost 8 Months of the game where Virtually NO one swapped.. and we did just fine... It will Balance itself out.. Sure prices will rise on certain things ... ( but Inflation is not always bad )
Dvnce wrote:
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Removing Lot Swaps.. WILL take a HUGE chunk of the Supply out of each Server.. Which will Create A HUGE demand for Resources Causing Prices To Rise ( hopefully you are smart enough to raise the prices of your finished goods to compensate ) I would bet that for every person that uses all 10 of there lots on a server there are 4 that use just enough for a house and 1 that use None of their lots. When Prices rise and there is GOOD profit in mining we will see MANY of these people flocking to the Mining Business to cash in.. This market will get Saturated and now Miners will start competing to sell their goods and Prices will start to fall Once again. Lot Swaps Barely were a concept Up until the Jedi Grind Craze of early 2004.. we had almost 8 Months of the game where Virtually NO one swapped.. and we did just fine... It will Balance itself out.. Sure prices will rise on certain things ... ( but Inflation is not always bad )
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Removing Lot Swaps.. WILL take a HUGE chunk of the Supply out of each Server.. Which will Create A HUGE demand for Resources Causing Prices To Rise ( hopefully you are smart enough to raise the prices of your finished goods to compensate ) I would bet that for every person that uses all 10 of there lots on a server there are 4 that use just enough for a house and 1 that use None of their lots. When Prices rise and there is GOOD profit in mining we will see MANY of these people flocking to the Mining Business to cash in.. This market will get Saturated and now Miners will start competing to sell their goods and Prices will start to fall Once again. Lot Swaps Barely were a concept Up until the Jedi Grind Craze of early 2004.. we had almost 8 Months of the game where Virtually NO one swapped.. and we did just fine... It will Balance itself out.. Sure prices will rise on certain things ... ( but Inflation is not always bad )
yes, i can already see people uprooting their 5 lot guild halls to cash in on mining a few lots....................
Of course the game can run w/o lot swappers, but name me 1 single advantage?
An economy boom.
More credits exchanging hands instead of lots of credits staying in the hands of few (big time lot swappers)
Ardelis wrote:
Of course the game can run w/o lot swappers, but name me 1 single advantage?
Why is lot swapping needed?
1) It's nice to be able to walkina vendor and get 1 million units ...
Its "nice". This is not a "NEED". Its nice to be able to sip a cold corona on the beach, but we do not NEED to.
If your already on the beach drinking a corona it would be ridiculous to make you pour it out, yeah, i pwn.........
2) I'm not gonna waste my time ...
It saves you time. This is not a "NEED". Hiring a maid saves people time but you do not need a maid.
Unfortanately, you have taken this way out of context. I was refering to doing other, more profitable things instead worrying about 6 measily mines that are more trouble then they are profitable.
3) Servers like mine, tempest, are always running out of resources....
Scarcity happens. The market adjusts. This does not define a NEED for lot swapping. Credits are rare but we do not need dupers.
There are plenty of ways to earn credits, one way to harvest resources.............
4) Lot swappers provide at least 90% of all resources on the game, period, take thataway, and well, we'll see.....................
I question that 90% number. But just because somethign exists, does not mean it is needed. There are over 30K McDonalds in the world. That is not proof that we NEED McDonalds.
I question it also, its likely higher. We have 30k McDonalds because there is a demand for it, but your correct they are not a "need", but why destroy something thats already built and gives so many customers smiley faces?..............
5)Scenario,...your looking at roughly 525k of resources. So you can't say that an architect can be self sufficient either. When I was an arch, i was burning 500k units of ore in a couple of days, not to count all the steel, iron, copper, aluminium, etc. thats needed.
Crafters do have a need for resources, yes I agree with that. That is not proof that we NEED those resources to come from lot swaps.
This is the greatest, you said in a single sentence, Crafters do have a need for..........., that is not proff that we need..........
pwnd
An economy boom.
More credits exchanging hands instead of lots of credits staying in the hands of few (big time lot swappers)