Architect Archive

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Pawlin wrote:

There is no better investment in the game than a harvester.

Harvesters would still be a great buy even if our prices were 2, 3 or 4 times as high.

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I agree with you 110% - they are the best investement in the game. People never complain to armorsmiths that sell armor for 600k-8 million, or to a chef who sells his foods at 15-20CPU, but let an architect come along and sell something for even 5CPU and we get blasted. 5CPU for an item that never decays - never decays - thats insane.

Houses, Harvesters - they should all be selling in the 10CPU range when you look at the long term benefit. Imagein a BER13 selling for 270k - and the owner still makes his money back in a week of harvestig a good quality resource.

Resource merchants sell resources for 1-50CPU depending on quality.

You can all start the flames now.

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cosno wrote:

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Pawlin wrote:

There is no better investment in the game than a harvester.

Harvesters would still be a great buy even if our prices were 2, 3 or 4 times as high.

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I agree with you 110% - they are the best investement in the game. People never complain to armorsmiths that sell armor for 600k-8 million, or to a chef who sells his foods at 15-20CPU, but let an architect come along and sell something for even 5CPU and we get blasted. 5CPU for an item that never decays - never decays - thats insane.

Houses, Harvesters - they should all be selling in the 10CPU range when you look at the long term benefit. Imagein a BER13 selling for 270k - and the owner still makes his money back in a week of harvestig a good quality resource.

Resource merchants sell resources for 1-50CPU depending on quality.

You can all start the flames now.

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QFE

Sadly, the flames will probably come But who cares, no one who looks at this logically can deny that it's true. Just look at what people will pay for an ADK to slap on a weapon so that it won't wear out and yet, here we have harvs that can run non-stop whether we're logged in or not, which do not decay from use. Add to that the fact that without harvs, nothing could be crafted in the game. It really bugs me when people accuse the archs of wanting to get rich and gouge just cause we want to charge a more than fair price for something that not only takes a lot of resources but also a lot of time. I am an architect because I really enjoy the profession/crafting. If I just wanted to get rich with virtual money I would be a resource supplier and have hundreds of static harv farms.

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DocSchlock wrote:

Sadly, the flames will probably come But who cares, no one who looks at this logically can deny that it's true. Just look at what people will pay for an ADK to slap on a weapon so that it won't wear out and yet, here we have harvs that can run non-stop whether we're logged in or not, which do not decay from use. Add to that the fact that without harvs, nothing could be crafted in the game. It really bugs me when people accuse the archs of wanting to get rich and gouge just cause we want to charge a more than fair price for something that not only takes a lot of resources but also a lot of time. I am an architect because I really enjoy the profession/crafting. If I just wanted to get rich with virtual money I would be a resource supplier and have hundreds of static harv farms.

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Thus Dvnce has illuminated the one thing that allows for any such undercutting as we know it, to exist; lot trades. Sorry for the following ramblings, just got done w/ a sociology class late at night so thinking/typing kinda long winded. =)

I like them cause they supply the volume of resources I need to keep up. Without them I too would be hiring/outsourcing my needs to others. Heck my harvesters only mine ore, but archies need more than just ore and for that I buy from vendors. Those that can mine are able to charge less and still be in business for the very reason that it's cheaper to produce than those that don't mine and have to buy from others.

If lot trades were eliminated we would all be in the same boat regardless of view points on lot trades, and be forced to hire/contract miners or buy from bulk dealers. We'd either be getting from a guild vendor that has all it's little people mining to produce bulk amounts, someone w/ lots of accounts and is able to mine bunches themselves, or just hiring individuals ourselves which most others seemed to like anyways. Meeting people for the purpose of a mutal business arrangement (sell me what you mine) is still a cooperative effort and about the only form of 'grouping' we crafters can experience besides that of a joint venture mall. Thus this social interaction is preferred over the non-social vendors (besides who likes talkative vendors anyways, sooo annoying).

It's an interesting dynamic between bulk generic resources, bulk selling, bulk mining.. you name it, there's lots of things influencing our pricing, but because of volume of resources consumed we can price cpu lower per unit, but moving more product at lower price still ups the total sales... more money we make happier we are, and cheaper we make it the more we have to move to stay happy. Thus the more successful arch's are bulk dealers. Smaller ones feel the tight profit margin a lot more and not seeing money moves people away from the profession. Go big or go home I guess. It's rude, inconsiderate, but it's our economy. Taking away lot trades would certainly mix up the dynamics of how our economy works, specifically architects since we require such vast amounts of resources. It's not a matter of stocking up on something good like other professions, but mining enough just to have enough I guess.

I just thought it was odd people mostly undercut to attract buyers and increase market share, yet they are mostly cutting down their own potential profit. Any competitor that actually watches someone undercut them would just match pricing so undercutting has little effect positively for them. Bringing outrageous pricing on server down, sure that can happen but only takes 2 crafters competing to happen and after that it's wide open. Making a better product, trying new ways to label/market that product either in spamming ports or on forums is easier and doesn't hurt your wallet as much as undercutting may. Use of undercutting by me is simply those that sell for less than I do, not meant as a bad thing, just those that sell for less. People work out exact costs for products and figure specific % profit, and mark prices as such, some price on gut of what they feel comfortable at, some compare and meet 'market' pricing. In the end, what the demand is, what consumers will pay, what's fair... is ALL subjective and no degree in economics can determine for certain what someone might have been willing to pay compared to what they did pay. It's more trial and error, and customer feedback, even sales, can give a hint at least. But why would we bother defining undercutters or at what price level they are undercutting. You make something, people look for it and if it's reasonable they'll buy it. More about location/advertising I'd say than product/pricing since for architects and most crafters now, products are close in quality and pricing is fairly close as well.

If there's a significant problem with our economy, speicifcally relating to architects I would hope the devs would carefully weigh the changes and their effects. Cause that's where the nerf bat will hurt us the most and make us impotent merchants. Course then we just play our fighters awhile.

Thoughts? =)

I am a 12pt Master Architect @ Gorath.

I started to sellBER13 for "only" 125K/each.

However, I sold5 - 10a month...not really the big deal.

Then I started a "test" and offered them for 90K. The "test" goes on and I am selling ~200 Harvesters a month!

I restarted to calculate my investments:

Overall Resources needed ~28000 Units. Most of them are grind quality! So I earn more than 3 cpu per Resource Units / Harvester.

I am also selling Resources besides but I never sold this amount of Resourcesapproximately that fast as I sell them "converted" to Harvesters.

Ok, I harvest nearly all resources I need and don't buy any, but hey...when you start a profession which need so much resources, don't plan to buy them.

My opinion,

Metrokon.

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Orangutanklaus wrote:

I am a 12pt Master Architect @ Gorath.

I started to sellBER13 for "only" 125K/each.

However, I sold5 - 10a month...not really the big deal.

Then I started a "test" and offered them for 90K. The "test" goes on and I am selling ~200 Harvesters a month!

I restarted to calculate my investments:

Overall Resources needed ~28000 Units. Most of them are grind quality! So I earn more than 3 cpu per Resource Units / Harvester.

I am also selling Resources besides but I never sold this amount of Resourcesapproximately that fast as I sell them "converted" to Harvesters.

Ok, I harvest nearly all resources I need and don't buy any, but hey...when you start a profession which need so much resources, don't plan to buy them.

My opinion,

Metrokon.

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I am on Gorath. I sell BER 13 for 200k+ now ( raised them the day that we could make BER 14. ) and BER 14 for 277k. I sell over 200+ a month.

Maybe some sort of Marketing Ploy would have helped you create more business??.. ( and I am not talking about Starport Spamming ( something I have NEVER done ) )

Dropping Price is not the ONLY way to generate more business.

What is great Is this gives me the ability to Hire Miners and Spread the wealth. I take pride in the fact that I help directly finance Other peoples gameplay by providing them with a constant source of credits to buy the things they need to buy...

Message Edited by Dvnce on 09-29-2005 09:36 AM

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DTQ wrote:

Has anyone ever put forward a proposal for how to stop cross server lot trades?

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Orangutanklaus wrote:

I am a 12pt Master Architect @ Gorath.

I started to sellBER13 for "only" 125K/each.

However, I sold5 - 10a month...not really the big deal.

Then I started a "test" and offered them for 90K. The "test" goes on and I am selling ~200 Harvesters a month!

I restarted to calculate my investments:

Overall Resources needed ~28000 Units. Most of them are grind quality! So I earn more than 3 cpu per Resource Units / Harvester.

I am also selling Resources besides but I never sold this amount of Resourcesapproximately that fast as I sell them "converted" to Harvesters.

Ok, I harvest nearly all resources I need and don't buy any, but hey...when you start a profession which need so much resources, don't plan to buy them.

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I don't mean to criticize or attack you, so hope my tone doesn't sound like that. Just asking honest questions. IMHO whatever makes the most profit is fine.

Oh, I should also add... before the galaxy wide vendor search went in I was selling for around 120k. My sales were so so, not reall fast but good enough to keep me in business and plentyh of time for fishing or other leisurely activities.

Anyway when vendor search went in my sales at 120k just fell flat. I was selling nothing. We had a bunch of cheap folks in the 70-90k range. And my 120k rate was about the highest price in the galaxy at the time.

SO I dropped to 100k. Going to 100k put my sales back at the same level as before vendor search.

Then a while ago I did a test to sell in the 70-80k range and sales really didn't increase a huge amount. So I'm back to 100k. But now the cheaper people seem to have drifted off and now 100k can be the cheapest on the server (depending on other peoples stock level). So now I might raise prices again.

Well I guess I'm rambling. But the point is probably just that prices are a pretty fluid, dynamic thing. So if 120k works one day then it might not the next and a 20k swing up or down may or may not be good. It all just depends on the situation at the time.

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DocSchlock wrote:

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cosno wrote:

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Pawlin wrote:

There is no better investment in the game than a harvester.

Harvesters would still be a great buy even if our prices were 2, 3 or 4 times as high.

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I agree with you 110% - they are the best investement in the game. People never complain to armorsmiths that sell armor for 600k-8 million, or to a chef who sells his foods at 15-20CPU, but let an architect come along and sell something for even 5CPU and we get blasted. 5CPU for an item that never decays - never decays - thats insane.

Houses, Harvesters - they should all be selling in the 10CPU range when you look at the long term benefit. Imagein a BER13 selling for 270k - and the owner still makes his money back in a week of harvestig a good quality resource.

Resource merchants sell resources for 1-50CPU depending on quality.

You can all start the flames now.

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QFE

Sadly, the flames will probably come But who cares, no one who looks at this logically can deny that it's true. Just look at what people will pay for an ADK to slap on a weapon so that it won't wear out and yet, here we have harvs that can run non-stop whether we're logged in or not, which do not decay from use. Add to that the fact that without harvs, nothing could be crafted in the game. It really bugs me when people accuse the archs of wanting to get rich and gouge just cause we want to charge a more than fair price for something that not only takes a lot of resources but also a lot of time. I am an architect because I really enjoy the profession/crafting. If I just wanted to get rich with virtual money I would be a resource supplier and have hundreds of static harv farms.

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Keep in mind too that the price cutters come along - stay in the profession a couple months - then move on to something else. I have seen price dips on Intrepid time and time again - and everyone one of the price cutters have left (except the current ones that just came out)

So in a couplemonths it will be back to normal.

I am ready - I have about 4 million units of steel ready to go and make BER14's - I even have enough subs done now to make 200 of each BER14 harvester - all sitting safely in my safety deposit box waiting for the supplies to dry up.

Today on Intrepid you cannot even find the steel needed to make BER14's - its all sold or hoarded.

And you know what else made me laugh - people selling the steel for 10-100CPU. LMAO - like an architect could sell a BER14 harvester for 100CPU - greedy gimps!