Architect Archive
Thread: Is this a known bug?
Aglanon
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:49 am
#66
Idahe wrote:
If this has been your question / concern all along why all the arguing? Asking would have been a better way to get the issue addressed rather thandisagreeing onpoints you had no interest in.
I've actually stated multiple times in this thread that I did not want the droid to do the work for me. I just happened to be of low enough level that he smoked my enemy. I wanted to use a combat droid for the same nerdy reasons when I solo (and even when i group honestly)
I'd just like the droid to be more than a useless hunk of metal that steals my xp and kills my enemies before I can. (Although they are still useful at lower levels when I don't care about xp, for instance on a theme park or something)
Lamgwin
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:49 am
#67
The reason for the argument seems pretty clear to me. When aglanon brought up his question, Drashk chose to answer with the clearly false "risk/reward" point. What followed was a disproof of that position, and a subsequent resistance to accepting that disproof. It is not a matter of asking a question to have a point addressed. People come to the boards, often, to discuss the relative merits of this or that aspect of gameplay. This has been one of those discussions.
I'm confused as to why you are against such discussion, and even more so confused as to why you've chosen this particular discussion in which to make that stand. It seems to me the General Discussion board is much more in need of being told to accept and move on. Every day people still request the CU get rolled back. The discussion in this thread at least centers on something that has a marginal potential of being changed.
Message Edited by Lamgwin on 09-15-2005 11:54 AM
Yoda-5499
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:57 am
#68
So, in EXTREMELY simple terms, people are complaning that they aren't getting XP for the work their droid/pet did for them? Seems kinda silly to me.
If you want the XP, don't use a droid/pet to do the work for you. If you want to finish a task and don't care if you get the XP, use a droid/pet.
If you want the XP, don't use a droid/pet to do the work for you. If you want to finish a task and don't care if you get the XP, use a droid/pet.
Lamgwin
Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:09 pm
#69
The comments were not directed at you, and you did not, to my knowledge, express that solo play should be eliminated, Idahe. I was not referring to you at all with that comment. Take it how you like, however. But please don't play the virginal innocent poster card. Your very first post in this thread was, at the very least, combative, if not downright condescending in tone.
In any case, I dispute the fact that the game was redesigned to make solo play more difficult. This presumes some intent on the part of Sony to deliberately target solo players. Again, this is just plain preposterous. Making grouping more attractive is not the same thing as making solo play more difficult. Solo play BECOMING more difficult is likewise not the same thing as saying changes were made expressly for that purpose. Increased difficulty may have been a side effect, but I sincerely doubt it was the purpose.
Which is all secondary to the far more central points of the thread. The issue, once again, was WHY is there an xp reduction for the pets, IS this reduction the best way to deal with pets, COULDN'T THERE BE a way to use pets and not lose the XP. The longer people come in here with false claims about "doing the work", "requiring grouping" or any of these other incorrect assumptions, the longer I have to spend correcting them. And that's not my fault.
And incidentally, stating that someone is naive is not a value judgement, it's factual. To believe that a profit-making company would deliberately excise part of their audience for literally no reason is, very simple, naive.
I understand MMORPGs as well as the next guy, and quite a bit more than many it would seem. This prevailing message board wisdom that they try to eliminate solo play is stuff and nonsense. And that is a fact.
Message Edited by Lamgwin on 09-15-2005 01:10 PM
Yoda-5499
Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:13 pm
#70
I read the entire thread. I read every post as it was posted. I do realize that you didn't want the droid to do kill and take to XP away from you and came here to see if you could adjust the damage output.
At this time, the droids are not as they could/should be. We all know combat droids, and even droids in general, are in pretty bad shape. People just have to deal with it. This has become a drawn out debate on the ramifications of combat droids and is, to be frank, quite boring.
The idea of droids is to make things easier. Actually, to make things easier for your character. If you character comes across a group of angry animals, the droid is there to ward/kill them off. But, people would use droids to make things easier as in leveling up a combat character, which is way the risk/reward system is in place.
If little damage, full XP were implemented, then a CL1 couldn't defend themselves by using their droid because it couldn't cause enough damage fast enough. And one of the main reasons of combat droids is actually to defend, rather than to attack. Those who are at the same level as the droid wouldn't need the droid to do thing they could do by themselves and still get the XP they need. Whereas a CL 1 entertainer without any combat abilities would need the droid and are not conserned about XP.
And for the record, I never mentioned any names. By people, I mean the general gaming community. There are alot of good players out there and follow the game as intended, but there are an equal amount of players who would abuse the system.
Oh, and please stop saying red herring.
At this time, the droids are not as they could/should be. We all know combat droids, and even droids in general, are in pretty bad shape. People just have to deal with it. This has become a drawn out debate on the ramifications of combat droids and is, to be frank, quite boring.
The idea of droids is to make things easier. Actually, to make things easier for your character. If you character comes across a group of angry animals, the droid is there to ward/kill them off. But, people would use droids to make things easier as in leveling up a combat character, which is way the risk/reward system is in place.
If little damage, full XP were implemented, then a CL1 couldn't defend themselves by using their droid because it couldn't cause enough damage fast enough. And one of the main reasons of combat droids is actually to defend, rather than to attack. Those who are at the same level as the droid wouldn't need the droid to do thing they could do by themselves and still get the XP they need. Whereas a CL 1 entertainer without any combat abilities would need the droid and are not conserned about XP.
And for the record, I never mentioned any names. By people, I mean the general gaming community. There are alot of good players out there and follow the game as intended, but there are an equal amount of players who would abuse the system.
Oh, and please stop saying red herring.
Skizzik-
Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:27 pm
#71
Lamgwin. Do yo accually play the game or did you just create an account to argue in the forums? Go play the game! Forget about the stupid Combat droids. They suck!
Lamgwin
Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:30 pm
#72
I'm in windowed mode. And please, take your message to the fifty million other people here at the boards discussing game play issues with equal attention. Don't limit your derisive attitude to just one person.
Skizzik-
Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:46 pm
#73
they need to give you and the other fifty million people like you their own forum. I would call it the **Mod Bot - Be Nice** Forum. That way people could argue back and forth with each other on a subject that is going no where and will never stop. We are DE's. We make the droids. We don't dictate how much xp they will give you.
Aglanon
Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:48 pm
#74
Skizzik- wrote:
they need to give you and the other fifty million people like you their own forum. I would call it the **Mod Bot - Be Nice** Forum. That way people could argue back and forth with each other on a subject that is going no where and will never stop. We are DE's. We make the droids. We don't dictate how much xp they will give you.
So now we're not even allowed to debate topics?
Skizzik-
Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:52 pm
#75
Aglanon wrote:
Skizzik- wrote:
they need to give you and the other fifty million people like you their own forum. I would call it the **Mod Bot - Be Nice** Forum. That way people could argue back and forth with each other on a subject that is going no where and will never stop. We are DE's. We make the droids. We don't dictate how much xp they will give you.
So now we're not even allowed to debate topics?
NO! j/k. Of course you can, but this topic doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and it seems to be causing tension. I vote to let it die.
Lamgwin
Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:54 pm
#76
Skizzik- wrote:
NO! j/k. Of course you can, but this topic doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and it seems to be causing tension. I vote to let it die.
The most inarguable point thus far. It is most certainly going nowhere. I guess I'm with Skizzik. C'est la vie.
LonelyGhost
Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:26 pm
#78
I am really hoping the new expansion will ship with a few new chassis at least. Maybe even a couple DE-specific quests.