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Thread: Is this a known bug?

Neologist
Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:51 am
#53


Thank you very much Garva but I wasn't do any of those things. Not then and not in my recently censored post. I argued with someone in the exact same way that half the people at the forums do every single day. If anything I am restrained by comparison. Are you telling me that I can't complain when I'm banned even though I broke NO rules?


One of your precious correspondents says something that is wrong and suddenly you guys are paying attention when he's correctly shown up?


You are now officially harassing me unjustly and with an unequal application of the rules. I suggest you go to the general board if you want to see so-called "flaming".

Denesha
Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:10 am
#54

I saw what my PA-mate Neo said. This is totally unfair. This Drashk is susing his position to get people banned for disagreeing with him. They just locked him down on test center too. He didn't do or say ANYTHING that should be getting this kind of treatment.



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RasalTheWise
Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:26 am
#55

The balance issue with combat droids has been discussed for years now, and is by no means settled. Combat droids were very, very weak after The Great Droid Nerf of 2003, but since then have gotten major upgrades at no cost to the user of the droid. So it safe to say that it's a work in progress for the devs as far as what is considered balance and what isn't. Who knows, they may change the XP allocation thing in the future. Heck, I just want them to fix old, outstanding bugs!


Denesha wrote:
This Drashk is susing his position to get people banned for disagreeing with him.



Enough about this. Drashk is not a vengeful person and doesn't use his Corr position for selfish reasons, regardless of the conclusions you draw from this thread. Besides, *anyone* can blow the whistle on anyone to the admins if they see what they consider harassment or trolling.




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Yoda-5499
Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:29 pm
#56

Could someone tell me what is going on without using really big and fancy wording? It has something to do with a Probot and combat. Some people aren't making any sense and it is confusing.



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Idahe
Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:42 am
#57


I have a crazy idea. Perhaps the experience reduction when using a droid is intended to discourage the use of combat droids. I have never been a fan of Combat or Tanking Droids, it is sad that combat is perceived as the primary function of droids in this game.


Some highly valid points have been made as to why there is an xp reduction when using a droid, and not armor/weapons, etc... I find it amusing that when faced with perfectly good reasons or explanations, the opposing party in a disagreement will invariably call those reasons excuses.


I honestly do not understand the disagreement here. There is an xp reduction while using a combat droid. Get over it. If you have a sincere desire to have this changed, place a comment in the TopDE issues thread. What you are doing now is tantamount to yelling at the sky because it is raining, thenattackinga meterologist when he explains the dew point. Using the excuse of "I pay to play this game, my preferred play style should be supported!" is total bs. You are paying to play a game that has rules, if your play style is not viable within those rules, find another game. People who make this argument are just like a kid who is playing Chutes and Ladders, then whines and moans when he hits a slide, especially the big one at the top 2 spaces from the end.


Here is some advice: Enjoy the game. If you find some aspect that you do not enjoy, don't use it. Find some other way to enjoy yourself. If coming to these forums and (poorly) arguing is your idea of fun, then maybe the debate club would be more up your alley than SWG.





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RasalTheWise
Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:47 am
#58

I think this is one of those threads where people are going to have to set aside their egos, and agree to disagree. The indication should have been when an admin had to step in and moderate it.




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Lamgwin
Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:21 am
#59


"Perhaps the experience reduction when using a droid is intended to discourage the use of combat droids."


Idahe, with all due respect, DUH.


"Some highly valid points have been made as to why there is an xp reduction when using a droid, and not armor/weapons, etc... I find it amusing that when faced with perfectly good reasons or explanations, the opposing party in a disagreement will invariably call those reasons excuses."


That would be a pretty sentiment if there were any facts involved. As it stands, however, not one single reason or explanation has been presented. Much less "perfectly good ones". The only thing that has been presented is an incorrect statement about skill point costs that simply isn't true since you DON'T have to spend skill points to gain advantage, and mere statements of what food/armor/weapons consist of as IF those were reasons. Merely saying "groups are other players" does not constitute a reason. Merely saying a weapon is held is not a reason. It's just an observation. They are presented as excuses. If you have one good reason why the idea of reduced risk = reduced reward is not applied in the case of sliced or max damage weapons, sliced or max protection armor, foods, spices, doctor buffs, or groups, please feel free to share. While you are at it, since this supposed reduction principle is so airtight in your opinion, perhaps you can explain why things don't become 10% more difficult when you are inspired by an entertainer. After all, the idea, according to you, is that people should only be able to gain X amount of xp in X amount of time, regardless of what steps they take to increase that XP. It therefore stands to reason that things should become 10% more difficult if you are inspired. Balance and all that right?


This principle of reduced reward simply IS NOT applied across the board. It just isn't. You can't change it by being in favor of it, or by claiming that listing the characteristics of things is the same as presenting reasons for those things not to have reward reductions.


edit: By the way:

"Using the excuse of "I pay to play this game, my preferred play style should be supported!" is total bs."

Who said that? No one said that. Red herring.

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Neologist
Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:50 am
#60






RasalTheWise wrote:
I think this is one of those threads where people are going to have to set aside their egos, and agree to disagree.
The indication should have been when an adminelected to step in and moderate it.





Corrected.
RasalTheWise
Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:58 am
#61



Neologist wrote:


RasalTheWise wrote:
I think this is one of those threads where people are going to have to set aside their egos, and agree to disagree.
The indication should have been when an admin elected to step in and moderate it.


Corrected.



Fair enough.




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Idahe
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:28 am
#62

Shoot, my lastmessage failed to post and was lost, oh well it was a bit longso I'll summarize.


In case it was somehow missed, my first point was meant to be obvious... you seem to be missing that point Lamgwin.


"This principle of reduced reward simply IS NOT applied across the board. It just isn't."


To return the sentiment: DUH


Different rules apply to different situations, sorry, but that is the way it is.


Perhaps this issue can/will be addressed when the promised droid revamp happens. Untill then try to accept the game the way it is. If you can not manage to enjoy yourself within the confines of the game rules as they currently exist, try to have fun in another way.





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Lamgwin
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:36 am
#63



"Different rules apply to different situations, sorry, but that is the way it is."


Which is exactly my point. Why it is that drask and atan don't want to admit this is something I don't understand. It's clearly and obviously the case. There is no gameplay principle of "reduced risk = reduced reward". The gameplay principle in practice here is "using droids or(apparently) pets = reduced rewards".


And THAT leads back to aglanon's question, which is WHY is that so?


In the case of pets, I have zero doubt the purpose is to limit the number of pets. In the case of droids, I would guess the reason is either so that pet owners don't cry foul, OR because droid/pet use the same xp calculations from a coding standpoint. Which would merely be a reason, not to say a good one.


In my opinion, biased of course, they should be working to encourage more droid use. In which case this xp policy does seem counter-productive. And like it or not, most players play combat games. Our biggest market, therefore, will always be combat players. So useful combat droids would have a direct impact on DE income. Just plain facts.


I understand wanting to limit pet use. But that doesn't mean I think we should wink and nudge and claim that the xp reduction is because of risk reduction. It's simply not true.


edit: Incidentally, my solution to the problem would be to create less powerful droids. I'll be frank, I mostly use droids in combat because I think it's cool, nerd-like though that may be. Give them a little more armor and a LOT less firepower, then nix the xp reduction. More people will use them, but not TOO many people, everything will look more star warsy, and we will all have more business. Seems like a win to me.


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Aglanon
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:41 am
#64





Idahe wrote:

Different rules apply to different situations




Wouldn't that be the exact OPPOSITE of balance?




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Idahe
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:44 am
#65

If this has been your question / concern all along why all the arguing? Asking would have been a better way to get the issue addressed rather thandisagreeing onpoints you had no interest in.


To answer the question: XP reduction due to use of adroid in combatis an artifically created gameplay mechanic designed to discourage solo play. Just like the group xp bonuses are designed to encourage group play.

In my opinion, there is nofurther depth to the issue. Perhaps the Xp nerf for using a droid is too extreme for the benefit they provide, perhaps the group xp bonus is too extreme as well.

AsI said, we can hope for better things in the future when droids get the fix that was promised. (I'm not holding my breath though).




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