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Thread: Is this a known bug?
Aglanon wrote:
I've actually stated multiple times in this thread that I did not want the droid to do the work for me.
Yoda, how did you miss that? It was only two posts up! Did you actually read the thread or are you just guessing?
Yoda-5499 wrote:
So, in EXTREMELY simple terms, people are complaning that they aren't getting XP for the work their droid/pet did for them? Seems kinda silly to me.
If you want the XP, don't use a droid/pet to do the work for you. If you want to finish a task and don't care if you get the XP, use a droid/pet.
That's a total misrepresentation. That's is not the complaint at ALL. The complaint is that when using a droid you don't get as much xp. This is not remotely the same as saying the droid "did the work for them".
Yoda, have you read ANY of this thread?
Have you ever been in a group? Do you get xp for the work the other players do for you?
Have you ever had a weapon sliced? Did you experience a reduction in experience proportional to the amount of your increase in damage output?
You've not understood one bit of this. Don't come in now with your red herring statement and pretend you even came close to understanding the point of this thread.
In the old systems people would take a combat droid with just one crappy combat module (less damage) so the droid doesnt steal to much xp. Unfortunately we got the new system then....
I hate to chime in, as I think the hash words were un-called for, but I wonder...
How is it different for me to be out alone fighting with my combat droid, letting it do at least as much work as I do... compared to how I can join up a "grinding group" in my guild, where I sit back 50m from a lair, and spam an AOE attack, with NO DANGER TO ME WHATSOEVER, thanks to the 2 glowsticks tanking the lair?
These grinding groups allow people to master an entire combat profession in one or two days.
With NO danger to me of ANY consequences.
I agree there should be a good reason to group, but I really dont see the harm in allowing normal XP if someone uses a Droid as a tool to get them through a dicey situation.
Atan wrote:
You could get a lower level combat droid (CL 5-15 maybe), and see if they work better for you.
In the old systems people would take a combat droid with just one crappy combat module (less damage) so the droid doesnt steal to much xp. Unfortunately we got the new system then....
My God! I didn't even KNOW there were lower CL combat droids!
Edit: I read this after I posted it and realized it looked like I was being sarcastic, but I wasn't! I really didn't know this, and wish someone had mentioned it earlier
Message Edited by Aglanon on 09-15-2005 03:14 PM
Lamgwin wrote:
Yoda-5499 wrote:
So, in EXTREMELY simple terms, people are complaning that they aren't getting XP for the work their droid/pet did for them? Seems kinda silly to me.
If you want the XP, don't use a droid/pet to do the work for you. If you want to finish a task and don't care if you get the XP, use a droid/pet.
That's a total misrepresentation. That's is not the complaint at ALL. The complaint is that when using a droid you don't get as much xp. This is not remotely the same as saying the droid "did the work for them".Yoda, have you read ANY of this thread?
Have you ever been in a group? Do you get xp for the work the other players do for you?
Have you ever had a weapon sliced? Did you experience a reduction in experience proportional to the amount of your increase in damage output?
You've not understood one bit of this. Don't come in now with your red herring statement and pretend you even came close to understanding the point of this thread.
That point of the thread was to find out wether or not that fact that someone's probot is taking their XP is a bug. And how dare you get at me like that. My opinion was cast and you act as if it was a threat to the very existence of life as we know it.
Yoda-5499 wrote:
Lamgwin wrote:
Yoda-5499 wrote:
So, in EXTREMELY simple terms, people are complaning that they aren't getting XP for the work their droid/pet did for them? Seems kinda silly to me.
If you want the XP, don't use a droid/pet to do the work for you. If you want to finish a task and don't care if you get the XP, use a droid/pet.
That's a total misrepresentation. That's is not the complaint at ALL. The complaint is that when using a droid you don't get as much xp. This is not remotely the same as saying the droid "did the work for them".
Yoda, have you read ANY of this thread?
Have you ever been in a group? Do you get xp for the work the other players do for you?
Have you ever had a weapon sliced? Did you experience a reduction in experience proportional to the amount of your increase in damage output?
You've not understood one bit of this. Don't come in now with your red herring statement and pretend you even came close to understanding the point of this thread.
That point of the thread was to find out wether or not that fact that someone's probot is taking their XP is a bug. And how dare you get at me like that. My opinion was cast and you act as if it was a threat to the very existence of life as we know it.
Yes, the point of the thread was to find that out. However (and I should know since I asked the question) the point was NOT because I wanted the droid to kill my enemy for me as you indicated. If you bothered to READ the thread, you'd know that I didn't want the probot to do the work for me. I merely wanted to have a droid in battle for the nerdy reasons discussed above. Something that does a little damage, nothing spectacular. And i'm sure he reacted the way he did to you because the conversation was finally getting civil and you come trolling your way in with your worthless two cents that completely miss the point after 2 pages of posts!
Lamgwin wrote:
Akkori, I'm not personally convinced that this is some sort of discouragement of solo play. Histrionics of the posters in this thread aside, you can pretty much assume the developers are not targeting groups of players with the express intent of eliminating their playstyle. Only someone immature and naive would think so, so don't believe them.
More likely it is just an attempt to limit the number of pets in the world, since we were all rightly sick of seeing all the darn pets everywhere.
There are, of course, much better ways to decrease the number of pets. They just didn't use them.
But don't believe the people who think it is purposed at destroying solo play. To think that Sony would go out of their way to get certain customers to quit is frankly preposterous.
I certainly do hope that these comments are not directed at me, however I do believethat Iam the only person who has written anything that could remotely be misconstrued to reflect these statements.I have not expressed these ideas. I have said the conventions currently in place are designed to encourage group play. Nowhere did I say SOE was trying to 'destroy' solo play or get anyone to quit.I have also in no way, shape, or form expressed my support for the current conventions.Motives that are not present have been artifically attributed to my words. I simply have expressed matters the way they appear to me. (which I suppose is wrong of me to statean opinion contrary to another's, perhaps a newsletter of which opinoins are acceptable would be helpful for the rest of us.)
I can only construe your post as a personal attack, condemnig me for being immature and naive. I find this strange, to be attacked with no provication. If I have somehow offended you with my ideas, I'm sorry, I'll try not to have any more.
However much you would like to believe that I am a crackpot with delusions of conspiracies against solo gameplay and SOE trying to get customers to quit; it is a matter of fact that the game was re-designed (remember the CURB?) to make it so that solo gameplay was more difficult.
Please try to keep in mind, the issue of droids 'stealing' xp is not that big a deal. A person can get to a CL where the xp loss is negligible with ease, so long as they have any sort of social skills or in lieu of that, determination. The problem experienced here seems to be "Things are not as easy as I would like them to be" I have little or no sympathy for that sort of problem.
Just to avoid any further bastardization of my words/thoughts I'll actually express how I feel about the issue (for the first time). 1) Using a droid should not result in xp loss.2) Grouping with a droid or any other pet should not grant the group xp bonus granted to player groups.3) Using any advantage available to a character should not result in xp loss. 4) Droid functionality for combat and other applications needs to be further expanded and enhanced (how is an issue for another thread). 5) The conventions in place are designed to make grouping with other players more desirable than solo gameplay.
I'll invite you to notice that I chose not to inculde any personal value judgements or attacks about any other person in my post. That is called being civil. I invite others to explore the practice.
jenden, the relative merits of a risk vs. reward line of reasoning are secondary to the question of whether or not risk/reward is the actual reason.
As has been proven, not theorized, in this thread, there is no policy of reduced risk = reduced reward in SWG. Hence, statement about killing things faster is moot. Aside from the fact that the actual utility of droids in that regard has not even been discussed.
Far more important a question to ask is whether or not players are AWARE of the reduction, whether one thinks the reduction is fair or not. Considering the XP reporting displays the same amount of XP regardless of whether or not the probot is in use, and considering that the same amount of XP is not awarded in both cases, it's safe to assume many, if not most, players are unaware of the fact that they did not gain the full amount of XP. I know I wasn't. In fact I disputed aglanon on it privately until he provided evidence.
Not only is the XP reduced, the reduction is not reported to the droid user.
Furthermore, the very reasonableness of the policy is highly suspect, given the wide array of factors already discussed in this thread. It is safe to say that the relative fairness of the practice is questionable at best. The reason behind it remains under debate, with the two most popular theories being that it is to discourage solo play (I don't agree with that one) or that it is to discourage pet use (my choice).