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Dvnce

Sat Mar 20, 2004 8:35 pm

FulminataXII wrote:

I do have to take issue with your comments on breaking the monopolies. A weaponsmith can undercut his competitors and still be selling for many times the cpu of an architect. What exactly is an architect going to offer someone in place of a top of the line harvester?

well like i said architect does vary from the norm.. we have such a small range from beginning to best... But every other craft .. (well tailors dont have to exp yet) has a range.. and there are people that will buy each product at each level.. but the mentality of most is if you cant make the best then you are lost and never can compete... And that is what I mean when I say that is not true.. Sub Par Merchandise sales is huge.. Not many people can afford to buy 10 max weapons and get them sliced.. but they can get 10 mid level ones and get them sliced..

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the_redeye_jedi

Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:02 am

#67

GogoDodo wrote:

the_redeye_jedi wrote:

They're going to fix this right?

They aren't really going to let a select few Architects run around with uber harvs no one will ever be able to make again are they?

Why should some other Architect be able to mine more with his ten lots simply because he was able to log in on a particular Tuesday night? He now has a permanent leg up. These things will never decay. He spends the same moneya normal guy does but gets more materials. How is this right?

This is not intended to be a flame, but this is the whole point of competition Redeye, to take advantage of an opportunity. Be it a new high UT steel that shifts in or getting some really good crafting stations to make good harvestors to get more of that high UT steel. If everyone was all equal they why would anyone have any loyalty to me or my shop? To make all archs equal tells the guy that spent all the time to understand and master the craft that he wasted his time cause some new guy who just joined the game last week is just as good as him.

But that is equality, all archs are not equal and nor should they be. That doesn't mean that there shouldn't be some fairness. Resources shifting helps to give all archs a chance at the next good resource, and there should be more factors that help keep a fair playing field while still allowing those who are true masters.

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All the masters were equal... we all made BER 13's and everybody got along just fine. You had your loyal customers for whatever reasons (price, service, stocked vendor, etc). Then for one day they allowedArchitects to gain a considerable advantage that seems will never be repeated.

Are you saying that we should differentiate ourselves by who can take advantage of the Dev's mistakes the best? Whoever can quickly capitalize on the Dev's screw ups should be the better Architect? I could have stacks of the best materials and be totally organized, but if I didn't log on a particular night my products and personalmining equipmentis suddenly inferior from now on? This hardly seems like a fair methodfor everyone involved. If you have to hurry upand quickly take advantage of something because you know itsgoing to be removed from the game asap,that's usually a good sign that its an exploit or at leastsomehowunfair.

But seriously, I'm glad people had fun getting to BER 14. I certainly don't blame anyone for making them. My bitterness is directed at SOE, not at any of my fellow Architects. So craft on you crazy Archy's. I'll shut up about it now.

-Zito

LadyLeala

Sun Mar 21, 2004 4:55 pm

#68

After experimenting with the new system for about four hours, it grew on me. There were some disadvantages to the new system, but there were also a slew of advantages. Especially for masters. I would like to see the new system come back. But not for testing. I want to see it come back for good. Or at least some parts of it. (i.e. the Amazing Success change and how it made it possible to get 100% on items to produce new "Master quality" results)

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Griswel

Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:56 pm

#69

"And.. I am sorry but if you have the skill tapes.. you should be able to make superior products.. "

This is a seriously selfish take on the profession and a clearindication that you should not be the correspondent. Your job is not to makethe position of 2%-5% of the professionin the game more secure and profitable at the expense of everyone else.

The problem with crafting systems like EQ and others is that a tiny number of players can satisfy the needs of an entire server. We don't need to re-create that on SWG. If skill tapes let you make top notch harvs with lesser resources, fine. That gives them an advantage without driving all other crafters out of the business.

A system where skill tapes are required to make thetop BERharvesterssimply means thatthe vast majorityof the people who want to be involved in the profession are out of luck, and that only a few players will do all the harvestercrafting on each server.

If your purpose as correspondent is to enhance the profits of ten guys per server then you should step aside. You'reare a detriment to the game.

RotorofCorRng

Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:10 am

#70

[quote]

I don't know what the effect of SEAs is on other crafting professions.[/quote]

In a profession like weaponsmith, under the new system, it would have been a HUGE advantage to those with vs those without.

Again, as I stated before, Architects would have benefitted tremendously. However, any other profession with more than one line, it would have been TOO much of a disparity between the "have's" and "have nots". Keep in mind I possess +22 total experimentation and assembly tapes.

Message Edited by RotorofCorRng on 03-22-2004 07:13 AM

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Pawlin

Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:13 pm

#71

I think that skill tapes should count for something.

As it was implemented the experimentation changes were such that you could make the new max BER14's without the use of skill tapes (I did so myself). So they didn't give you an unsurmountable advantage.

However if you did have the extra 1-2 points in experimentation from SEA then it was easier to make the max. I think thats fair. It gives people with the SEAs a boost but not something that people without them can't compete against.

If SEAs made it so that those were the only people that could hit the max BER then that wouldn't be right.

I don't know what the effect of SEAs is on other crafting professions.

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Dvnce

Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:59 pm

#72

yes thanks for pointing that out.. I will admit this week has been terrible... that may be why I appear a tad bit edgy .. and less tactiful in how I present my own personal opinion.. He He .. DSL went out for a week.. and now I cant even log onto SWG...(which is real bad cuz i have 50 people waiting to move to my Player City ... ) Oh well all will be good..

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Pawlin

Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:43 pm

#73

Dvnce wrote:
..DSL went out for a week.. and now I cant even log onto SWG...

Quick someone apply a cold compress to that mans forehead and get him a hot cat-5 cable. Stat!

Pawlin Construction of Kettemoor.
Harvesters and Crafting stations - Triad Coronet Mall just outside Coronet (-177 -5490)
Architect, House, Furniture, Harvester FAQ
Oprolan the Wookiee of Sunrunner. Cheap resources W. Daeric Talus (-639 -3058)
"Worst FF ever *thumbsdown*" -- Pawlin fan club
"I am not going to win Miss Congeniality again this year in the Senate." -- John McCain

** Please refer to Elyssa's answer

Dvnce

Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:49 am

#74

LoL... I need something... I got the shakes real bad.. I need my SWG fix.. I am in stage three of the customer support.. so who knows how long that will be..

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FulminataXII

Tue Mar 23, 2004 1:27 am

#75

I would argue the point that everyone has access to tapes. The grand total value of structure experimentation skill tapes that I have seen since starting this game (including beta), is +3.

Now, I haven't gone out of my way to track them down, but then I don't have much reason to. The most cash I've ever had at any one time is around 1.7 million, and based on what I've seen in the forums (and the one tape that I've seen for sale),I'd haveto spend most of that on skill tapes to get a decent bonus given current prices. Not to mention that those prices would skyrocket if the crafting changes were to become permanent and make skill tapes all but essential to compete.

That's why I feel that the distribution of tapes would need to be changed before they were made more important to the crafting process.

And for the record, I fully support your right to express your own opinion; however, as a representative of all of us, you have to be careful just how you go about expressing those opinions or you will end up being flamed mercilessly. Welcome to the life of a public figure

Pawlin

Tue Mar 23, 2004 1:29 am

#76

Dvnce is right on this. He has the right to his own opinions. I've not seen his personal opinions slanting how he represents our profession ascorrespondent.

If you don't agree with his personal opinion on a particular topic then that doesn't mean he is unfit as correspondent, that kind of accusation is pretty unfair.

Pawlin Construction of Kettemoor.
Harvesters and Crafting stations - Triad Coronet Mall just outside Coronet (-177 -5490)
Architect, House, Furniture, Harvester FAQ
Oprolan the Wookiee of Sunrunner. Cheap resources W. Daeric Talus (-639 -3058)
"Worst FF ever *thumbsdown*" -- Pawlin fan club
"I am not going to win Miss Congeniality again this year in the Senate." -- John McCain

** Please refer to Elyssa's answer

EnFERn0

Tue Mar 23, 2004 1:42 pm

#77

The one day window to allowance of making über items really hurts the marked.

I got some FINE 90% Armors. Weapons that does breathtaking damage.
But I didn't craft that day myself. I cannot produce 14BER harvesters.

As an Master Architect, I'm at a real disadvantage. Just as thousands other crafters

across server and in all other crafting professions. Just because we wasn't around to

make über schematics..

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Cafa

Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:45 pm

#78

Mad-Jack wrote:

My 2 credits:

Master Crafter + Best Resources = Best Product

Novice Crafter + Poor Resources = Worst Product

Is this too hard to understand? Instead of crying that Joe the other Crafter on my server is making better harvestors or weapons cause he's using the best stuff why don't you shut up and survey for the best resources and start getting them yourselves? What kills me about this patch was that people made better stuff then ever before and then it was gone. Why because a bunch of jerks who didn't understand the patch or didn't want to do the work necessary to make the best stuff cried like a bunch of 5 year olds that just had their lolly pop taken away. People want toe be a master crafter but they don't want to have to work at it. Pathetic.

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