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only one teensy problem... if that change was made how do you handle all the folks that already have like say 0444 bh skills?? do they lose their hard won XP and money to train in those skills?? that would have been a good idea to do when they turned the server on at day one but now?? how could that be implemented fairly. i like the idea but i surely do not wish to grind out another million+ friggen XP in weapons again.

maybe you can get all the skill boxes you want but you get no benifit form them until you work up to them, or maybe you get the modifiers but not the skills(which is what everyone really cares about)

"those that are 0-4-4-4 should be dropped back down to 2-2-2-2"

Umm... no. I purposly went 0-4-4-4 before I really started investigation. I intended, since beta, to be a Mster BHer so it wasn't that I was after the skills without doing investigation - I was after the skills to do investigation more efficiently (and I made a decision to use the lauchner pistol rather than the LLC to get my heavy weapons XP (I finished before the patch that fixed the LLC was put out) so I did a rush job in the LLC line - I had intended to be a 4-4-4-X instead).

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Dylanging wrote:

I don't think thata 0-4-4-4 is a bounty hunter there more like a commando with different guns, how can any one that is 0-4-4-4 call them self a bounty hunter there not. Now I noticed you are 2-4-4-4 barb and at least you are trying to make your way up the bounty hunter tree but 0-4-4-4 these are people who have no interest in being a bounty hunter they only choice the profession to get the cool weapons. so I think it should be a requirement to do investation to get the next weapon level upgrade its one of the best ideas I have heard on this forum in regards to the bounty hunter and I hope Wepps reads this and forwards it to the right people.

those that are 0-4-4-4 should be dropped back down to 2-2-2-2 they can keep the precise eye shot and have to start all over again from that point. some people will say that's not fair but I say its very fair you were the one that took advantage of the profession and became a bounty hunter for all the wrong reasons they should be made to pay a price.

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Screw you. Investigation is NO FUN! and yes, I am a Bounty Hunter. I have been a Bounty Hunter for a long time. You know what? I do Novice level Bounty Hunting missions all the time since I dropped Investigation 2. They're a lot better than Investigation mission, iethey work. Anyone who picks up Novice Bounty Hunter is a Bounty Hunter. They can do the missions, they can kill the marks, they are Bounty Hunters. I'm really sick of this "We're better than you attitude" that a lot of the people on the boards have. Yes, it sucks that Pistoleers pick up our Pistol line for the mods and attacks. Same goes for Carbineers. But you know what? That's their choise. They spend their skill points on being straight pistol or carbine and they're a lot better with them than we are when they go up the BH lines as well as Mastering the elite profession A lot of people were saying we should be better because we spend so many skill points to be where we are. "Dabblers" spend the same on combat that we do, if not more, so why are we complaining about them? We really shouldn't be as good as they are until we hit Master.

Here's my last comment. A 2-4-4-4 BH isn't as good as a 0-4-4-4 BH because you spent 9 more skill points than I did on something worthless. I spent those 9, figured out it was worthless, then decided I didn't want to waste my skill points till they make Master worth it. I'M A BETTER BOUNTY HUNTER RIGHT NOW THANYOU'LL BE UNTIL THEY MAKE MASTER WORTH IT. Moving Eye shot to Master doesn't make it worth it to me. It's a sucky attack that does sucky damage that is only good for PvP and in PvE for the blind. How many Bounty Hunter's use Eye Shot in PvE that has LLC 4? or Pistol 4? You don't except to get that blind, so the new attack will be just as useful to me as Eye Shot.

Seomon I could not agree with you more! I'm currently 0/4/4/4 on Eclipse. I was 2/3/4/1 but I had to drop the Investigation line to not go bankrupt and crazy. In the end costs and time was insane to complete a mission, now I'm just gonna save up some investigation exp beforehand and have that tiny little advantage.

It's BORING and EXTREMELY annoying to do the Investigation line of bounty hunter right now. And with the proposed move of Eyeshot to master, well, guess I have to move up through Investigation anyway. Who cares if I go insane every other time I think about that *You have gained 101 investigation experience* They should add the now only 33899 to go. It's MUCH too time consuming and annoying to do the investigation line as it is. I applaude the already masters, they must have nerves of steel and the patience of a boulder.

And what is it with all the hate against dabbling crap I've been seeing around here lately?? Lemme see, all those whiners who master bounty hunters have how many points left? 33? Well, we can't really have master bounty hunters dabbling in the medic profession now can we? And certainly not picking up the pistol stances line of pistoleer either! Nope, in fact all those bounty hunters who dabble in medic and pistoleer skills should have the remaining points taken away. Pleeease spare me that whining when the manual of the game itself states that dabbling is GOOD! Anyone bother to read it lately? Page 76 states and I quote;"However, you don't need to adhere strictly to the professions or learn each discipline in your chosen professions. In fact, the most successful players will likely create unique characters by learning a number of disciplines from several different professions" Now, that's from the OFFICIAL game manual, clearly favoring dabbling, so please stop that ignorant and lame hate towards dabblers, I'm sick of it. And yes, for those who want to know, I am planning on mastering bounty hunter. WHEN they fix the investigation line which is clearly the most boring and useless tree to advance in at the moment.

Lojarean Darkmoon

0/3/4/1 BH (Eclipse)

I fully agree actually I posted a message just like this minutes after yours. If I only would have seen it! Good to know we are on the same page. You are 100% correct!!

Odum Otold NBH 0-2-4-2

This is what the devs did to CH to cut down on dabblers getting too much out of CH.Back in the day,all you needed was the "taming" line to tame/call a pet. If you could tame it, you could call it. But they split the tame and call skills into two separate skills placing them in two different trees, essentially doubling the number of skill points required to obtain the same level of pet as before.

I would find it extremely interesting if they did this kind of thing to other professions.

YES! You are a genius!!

I AGREE!! BUT... it should be added for all the bounty hunter weapon skills

ie/ any weapon lvl 1 skill requires,in addition to the weapon points, investigation 1

It only makes sense that if u go into the bHprofession youlearn the skills that separate you from the other professions

all too often doplayers become the bounty hunter with theintent of gaining the weapons skills, and NOT mastering >.<

I concur..I am a genius

Anyhow, I got to thinking about this after Ghengis Expee proposed that BH XP should be required for Investigation as well as all Weapons XP and how he said it couldn't be combined. I disagreed about BH XP being used in place of Weapons XP and thought that if the dev's would just add the Investigation Line as a prerequisite, we could combine the two.

And yes, BH Pistol 2 was only an example I used. It was meant for all the weapons line, not just the pistol line.

There's another interesting idea being floated about some sort of Special's Line in where we get our specials. However, I stand behind my idea because as stated, nerfers can't cry about our specials since only real BH would have them now, drastically cuts dabblers (makes BH's happy), and is really easy to implement with almost no penalties to the BH himself. It's one thing for the dev's to completely make up a new line for our specials, but it's far less work for them to just add one more prerequisite to get something.

I don't necessarily disagree with this, but I have a concern.

Right now I am in the process of surrendering my rifle skills and ranger skills to try out bounty hunter. [Wanted a change and bounty hunter intrigues me]

I have just become master marksman and I am still a master ranger. So I do not have any pistoleer experience. Once I get the combat xp to become a novice bounty hunter, to get any specials or weapon bonues to make hunting down marks, I have to complete the investigation line 1st [according to your suggestion].

From reading the posts, it sounds like Investigation is a long and difficult grind. Will not being able to have specials and accuracy speed bonuses make the climb up investigation to difficult for a novice bounty hunter?

This is just a concern I have. I have no experience in bounty hunter xp, so I will rely on people who are currently bounty hunters to respond as if this change is to unreasonable.

I agree in principle on trying to discourage dabbling, but it should not get to the point that becoming a master bounty hunter can only be done by power levelers.

I Like It!

I haven't even gotten Marksman or Master Scout yet, but I'm following the discussion on Eyeshot in particular. I would like to be a true BH (which your solution would require), but I don't like the idea of having to follow a rigid template for my character. Part of the enjoyment of a game like this is creating a combination of skills that fit with my playstyle.

Somebody get this to the DEV's!

Not at all and is a valid point. Grinding up the Investigation Tree isn't as bad as people make it to be, atleast now that they've fixed a few things. Anyhow, at a Novice level, you get really easy marks now that don't really require any kind of super special move to take out. Their HAMS generally range from 2k-6k at this level. The further up the Investigation Tree you go, the more difficult they get. However, since you can only get marks atYour level, this shouldn't be a problem. Also, you will have the weapons XP way before you have the XP to advance up the Investigation Tree.

I'll agree that if something like this was implemented, a little tiny restructuring of skills might be in line further up the BH tree, but at Novice levels there shouldn't be a problem.