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Thread: It's official -- the loot schematics have been nerfed :(

Warryyr
Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:13 am
#40

This is the stupidest thing I've seen done to this game in awhile.


Way to make yet MORE uber 1337 phat lewt campers richer, and richer, and richer.


So glad I'm a craft monkey now, thank you SOE.


"Insert schematic, item ready for you to charge 100's of 1,000's of credits for it, thank you please abuse my skills again in the future."


Sorry guys, but it's completely and utterly USELESS to have these stupid items drop as schematics, when all it means is they'll have to find me, so I can make it for them, to sell for a LOT now.


Why the HELL did they just make MORE uber 1337 phat lewt in the game. What a waste of resources, this stupid loot revamp. Waste of time, waste of MY time, waste of resources that could be directed toward better things in this game than making the loot campers richer.


And, here I thought gee - how refreshing to have new loot that's NOT 300k to get a new couch, when you're sicking of seeing the same 4 couches in everyone's house.


But OHHHHH NOOOOO.......that couch will now be worth 100k. Stupid, stupid, stupid.


We got ripped off. What a kick in the **edit**. We need new schems, not useless 1-time schematics that Combat Joe wanders into our shop with, and charges up the **edit** for on his trade forum.


Again, this is the stupidest decision ever. I'm tired of every new thing in this game costing multiple 100's of 1,000's of credits. For awhile, they actually had it right. But, they managed to destroy it, as they always do.


Horribly disappointed with this game. I should have made my loot schems into factory schems last night, that way i'd be the ONLY PERSON in this ill-managed game to NOT charge 200k for a couch. Instead, I get single use schematics that I will use for personal decoration.


I will NEVER - repeat, NEVER - use one of these schematics for anyone else. EVER. I refuse to contribute my skills so that someone else can make MILLIONS. I won't do it, too many already do, and I'm tired of the profiteering.


I guess I'm just posting this to say - I'm pissed that we got treated this way. And I, for one, will NOT contribute to INSANELY priced loot - regardless of how much the Devs want that to perpetually exist in this game.


Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Braydin
Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:16 am
#41






Warryyr wrote:

This is the stupidest thing I've seen done to this game in awhile.


Way to make yet MORE uber 1337 phat lewt campers richer, and richer, and richer.


So glad I'm a craft monkey now, thank you SOE.


"Insert schematic, item ready for you to charge 100's of 1,000's of credits for it, thank you please abuse my skills again in the future."


Sorry guys, but it's completely and utterly USELESS to have these stupid items drop as schematics, when all it means is they'll have to find me, so I can make it for them, to sell for a LOT now.


Why the HELL did they just make MORE uber 1337 phat lewt in the game. What a waste of resources, this stupid loot revamp. Waste of time, waste of MY time, waste of resources that could be directed toward better things in this game than making the loot campers richer.


And, here I thought gee - how refreshing to have new loot that's NOT 300k to get a new couch, when you're sicking of seeing the same 4 couches in everyone's house.


But OHHHHH NOOOOO.......that couch will now be worth 100k. Stupid, stupid, stupid.


We got ripped off. What a kick in the **edit**. We need new schems, not useless 1-time schematics that Combat Joe wanders into our shop with, and charges up the **edit** for on his trade forum.


Again, this is the stupidest decision ever. I'm tired of every new thing in this game costing multiple 100's of 1,000's of credits. For awhile, they actually had it right. But, they managed to destroy it, as they always do.


Horribly disappointed with this game. I should have made my loot schems into factory schems last night, that way i'd be the ONLY PERSON in this ill-managed game to NOT charge 200k for a couch. Instead, I get single use schematics that I will use for personal decoration.


I will NEVER - repeat, NEVER - use one of these schematics for anyone else. EVER. I refuse to contribute my skills so that someone else can make MILLIONS. I won't do it, too many already do, and I'm tired of the profiteering.


I guess I'm just posting this to say - I'm pissed that we got treated this way. And I, for one, will NOT contribute to INSANELY priced loot - regardless of how much the Devs want that to perpetually exist in this game.


Stupid, stupid, stupid.






Hmmm system wide architect strike? Who is with me??



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ravingbantha
Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:24 am
#42

well if this is the case then... 1) I'm glad I had the hide and other materials to do full runs on all the items 2) the pices of paintings just went up, and the overall sales of them just went down.
ravingbantha
Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:28 am
#43






Braydin wrote:

I knew i shoudl have made that schematic for the console with the screens last night! Dang it sony.. Normally I try to be constructive in my post, bu tthis is about the dumbest $#%&*^ thing you have done in recent history. These schematics shoudl have been permanent and not 1 use only in the first place, now we cant even make a manufacturing schematic out of it for factories! Thanks for nothing, so far your loot upgrade is a total loss.. Here are the things that are wrong with it...


A.) Loot frequency seems to actually be down unless you are killing CL 5 mobs which is up. Espically in JTL

B.) Level Approiate Loot was a total lie, I am still getting crap on CL30ish mobs I wouldnt use on a novice profession

C.) Furniture Schematics that require architect tools, but tailor or smuggler skill

D.) A master Architect level chest that has finally been added, that was added as a Master Artisan item (this is likely a bug i know but you missed it)

E.) 1 use schematics for the furniture, yet other professions have had perminant draft schematics added in the past year (our last was player city stuff)

F.) and now you further SCREW us by taking away our ability to use the factory to make the items... LAME LAME LAME!!!!







Which item requires this?
Warryyr
Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:28 am
#44








Braydin wrote:


Hmmm system wide architect strike? Who is with me??




I am


Seriously, I will NEVER learn one of those schematics for anyone else's mad 1337 profit. I won't do it.


I may as well just jab myself in the eye with a Gaffi stick. Why am I in this game to make OTHERS really, really rich? I guess that's my purpose now, without a doubt. I am here to get used. I am here to make others rich. And, I'll have no part of that.


I don't know about an architect strike (a complete shutdown is no fun). But, I'm definitely never touching anyone's schematics for these new loot drops.


I will have nothing to do with it.


My name is plastered on that thing, shouting to all, "Warryyr made this for this guy, so he could sell it for millions - when last week he sold itfor 5k!"


Not touching that with a 10 foot pole. I appreciate my customers and am considerate of their desire for new stuff, with a mind for their financial situations.


Warryyr
Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:29 am
#45






ravingbantha wrote:





Braydin wrote:

I knew i shoudl have made that schematic for the console with the screens last night! Dang it sony.. Normally I try to be constructive in my post, bu tthis is about the dumbest $#%&*^ thing you have done in recent history. These schematics shoudl have been permanent and not 1 use only in the first place, now we cant even make a manufacturing schematic out of it for factories! Thanks for nothing, so far your loot upgrade is a total loss.. Here are the things that are wrong with it...


A.) Loot frequency seems to actually be down unless you are killing CL 5 mobs which is up. Espically in JTL

B.) Level Approiate Loot was a total lie, I am still getting crap on CL30ish mobs I wouldnt use on a novice profession

C.) Furniture Schematics that require architect tools, but tailor or smuggler skill

D.) A master Architect level chest that has finally been added, that was added as a Master Artisan item (this is likely a bug i know but you missed it)

E.) 1 use schematics for the furniture, yet other professions have had perminant draft schematics added in the past year (our last was player city stuff)

F.) and now you further SCREW us by taking away our ability to use the factory to make the items... LAME LAME LAME!!!!







Which item requires this?





The glass globe, or whatever it's called.


It's the thing that's smoking - next to Nym in Nym's Stronghold.


It's also the thing that will now cost 2 million credits at least.


bigwilly1979
Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:33 am
#46

I still have factory schems and materials so I am going to try to work withother crafters to help these items get the widest distribution before the cost skyrockets. I am going to keep selling at 10k on my vendor until I run out of materials, and I am offering other crafters 20% off my 10k price by crates. This will let them buy and sell the stuff I made. I am pretty much trying to turn into a distributor of these. We'll see if it works, and if it does it'll help the server and help me.



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Cafa
Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:35 am
#47






Dvnce wrote:





Pawlin wrote:

I think yet again we have an example of what SOE intended to happen verus what actually happens.


My guess is that it probably went down like this: SOE probably always wanted the loot schematics to be single use. Yet they implemented them wrong so that it allowed for you to make a manufacturing schematic. So of course people went ahead and did so. Apparently either SOE didn't think we'd make manufacturing schematics or they just implemented it sloppy and failed to remove that option from the loot schematics. When people made factory runs it caused the items to beabundant but SOE probably wants them to be uber rare. Then they have to decide to 'fix' it through a nerf so it is the way they wanted initially or leave it the way it was implemented which isn't how they want it to work. So they decided to fix itafter the fact which amounts to a nerf at this point. Which will of course piss of players.






Never really been intended for ANY limited use Schematic to be made into a factory Schematic.. really..







D, luv you man, but where do you come up with some of this from sometimes?


That's about the lamest excuse for a nerf I've ever heard. And if my other PURCHASED schematics are effected in the manner (which I haven't been able to check yet) then why not do retroactive removal of pre-nerf weapons. You don't think they do more damage to the economythan a damn tapestry or couch?


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Pawlin
Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:35 am
#48

My key problem with nerfing it at this point is that the damage is already done. We've already got various architects with factory crates of some or all of the items. So now if you make it so you can't do factory runs anymore it establishes a group of haves and have nots. I've got a pile of Tanned Hides from my factory run. But if some other architect didn't get a schematic quick enough or is new to the profession its yet another thing that the established architect (me) has that they don't. Its like temporary tuesday all over again. Way to go SOE!



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Braydin
Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:39 am
#49






Warryyr wrote:





ravingbantha wrote:





Braydin wrote:

I knew i shoudl have made that schematic for the console with the screens last night! Dang it sony.. Normally I try to be constructive in my post, bu tthis is about the dumbest $#%&*^ thing you have done in recent history. These schematics shoudl have been permanent and not 1 use only in the first place, now we cant even make a manufacturing schematic out of it for factories! Thanks for nothing, so far your loot upgrade is a total loss.. Here are the things that are wrong with it...


A.) Loot frequency seems to actually be down unless you are killing CL 5 mobs which is up. Espically in JTL

B.) Level Approiate Loot was a total lie, I am still getting crap on CL30ish mobs I wouldnt use on a novice profession

C.) Furniture Schematics that require architect tools, but tailor or smuggler skill

D.) A master Architect level chest that has finally been added, that was added as a Master Artisan item (this is likely a bug i know but you missed it)

E.) 1 use schematics for the furniture, yet other professions have had perminant draft schematics added in the past year (our last was player city stuff)

F.) and now you further SCREW us by taking away our ability to use the factory to make the items... LAME LAME LAME!!!!







Which item requires this?





The glass globe, or whatever it's called.


It's the thing that's smoking - next to Nym in Nym's Stronghold.


It's also the thing that will now cost 2 million credits at least.



its a bubble tank...aka the bong!


Patch notes from the future......


Crafting:



  • Moved Bubble Tank to the General Item Crafting tool. (As it isn't Architect Created)

  • Moved Tapestry (Tattoine) Schematic to the Clothing/Armor Crafting tool (What were we thinking here?)

  • Renamed Bubble Tank to Bong.

  • Added new 1 use schematic to smuggler spices tree: Crack Pipe

  • Added new general item to the Master Artisan Box: Toothbrush

  • Added new weapon schematic: Shank Knife (Requires toothbrush, and metal)

Combat:



  • Added New Weapon Certification to Smuggler Tree: Shank knife



I am so gonna get it for that one i know




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Dvnce
Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:41 am
#50






Pawlin wrote:





Dvnce wrote:


...Never really been intended for ANY limited use Schematic to be made into a factory Schematic.. really..




Dvnce, has SOE said that explicitly?








Well.. What is the point of having it be loot.. Then? I mean it would take 10 schematics to make 10k of the items. not a very special loot to get.. It will be about the same as looking in your inventory to see a cdef.. Woot..


They should definatly be more than 1 use but not 1k. 4 or 5 should be adequate.


We were never intended to MASS produce in the manner that we do today.. the flooding of the market with items has more to do with the economy problems than the pricing does..


that little bit at the end is from me not SOE..




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Manusara
Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:42 am
#51

I made a factory run of Tanned Hides last night and was going to sell them for 5K each, know I'll sit on them and see how things pan out. At least all my guildmates get 1 for free.


Sony get your head out of your ass and do thing right the 1st time so we don't have these kinds of issues.



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Rogue1970
Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:19 am
#52

I'm officially refusing to make these items from now on.


Why should I craft an item I don't get a copy of that the looter can sell for millions?


Single Use Garbage would be a better name for it now.



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