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Thread: 98% Experimentaion Med. Harv. only BER 9?
So I have "OMU +95% 0504" for a series.
We've seen many tests that say that a OMU that hit "rate 6" at (for example) 87% is NOT the same as an OMU that hit "rate 6" at 95%. That percentage matters - keep track of it.
The original poster has not returned here with the results of his tests. Until he does, we don't have any idea what the final problem turned out to be.
I gather from your note that you experimented the FDPU to a "rate 6" (or "rate 4" - whatever the top is) and you stopped experimenting there rather than experiment it to the absolute highest percentage that you could?
Message Edited by ZenDragonMLS on 05-05-2004 09:50 PM
ZenDragonMLS wrote:
Can you help us understand what happened? I still don't know *exactly* what resources that you used and what your experimental results were, so it's hard to give other folks any guideance based on your experience.
I gather from your note that you experimented the FDPU to a "rate 6" (or "rate 4" - whatever the top is) and you stopped experimenting there rather than experiment it to the absolute highest percentage that you could?
Message Edited by ZenDragonMLS on 05-05-2004 09:50 PM
From an earlier post: The metal I am using is a steel with an average of the three stats (doubling the UT) at 971. The metal used was iron at an average (also doubling the UT) at 990. The ore (using the same average) is at 972. I have gotten BER 10s from using the same combination of materials before as well. These are the same ingredients used to make the fluidic drilling pumps.
I experimented the FDP to the absolute maximum highest percentage available (and no I don't remember the exact percentage) and made a schematic, but apparently that schematic isn't "good enough". If I make them by hand it's business as usual (meaning no consistency but good results in general).
Message Edited by Khristen on 05-05-2004 10:14 PM
If you used exactly those same resources, *including* the lube oil, to make your fluidic drilling pump units, then they should have come out at 98% also.
If your FDPU was 98% and your final assembly was 98%, then you should have gotten BER10 with *lots* of room to spare. In fact, with a 98% FDPU, you should have hit BER10 at about 80% on your final assembly.
When I turn it around, and assume that your final was 98%, the only way for you to have NOT gotten BER10 was for your FDPU to be down in the high 70's or low 80s. And the only way that could have happened is if you used a chemical that wasn't Lube Oil.
Again, I think we're missing part of the picture.
This is not the first time we have heard that there are problems with harvester BER over the past month or so. All the posts in this thread come back to the same thing, must be something wrong with the fdp, but all those with the problem are insisting my fdp is fine, full BER and full experimenation. IIRC the previous threads that posted this problem also concerned the chemical harvester specifically.
I am coming round to the idea that there may well be a bug in here somewhere
Khristen wrote:
I experimented the FDP to the absolute maximum highest percentage available (and no I don't remember the exact percentage) and made a schematic, but apparently that schematic isn't "good enough". If I make them by hand it's business as usual (meaning no consistency but good results in general).
I don't understand this, you can only use the fdps in the factory if they have the same serial number as the ones in the schematic. Since you go through exactly the same process for hand made as you do for a schematic and only change the final selection from prototype to schematic AFTER you know what BER rating you will get then you should still be able to make the higher rating for a schematic as you can for the hand made one. I can only suggest you make a new batch of fdps, use 2 of these to do a hand made (making sure you have enough of everything for a factory run) and then if it works instead of making a prototype make a schematic.
Pawlin wrote:
Khristen wrote:
I experimented the FDP to the absolute maximum highest percentage available (and no I don't remember the exact percentage) and made a schematic, but apparently that schematic isn't "good enough". If I make them by hand it's business as usual (meaning no consistency but good results in general).
So you've only seen this problem when using a schematic? Are your schematics labelled with the %? Are you absolutely 100% sure that you didn't mix up one FDP schematic with another FDP schematic of lesser quality? If the schematics aren't labelled with %'s then it is easy to get the wrong one when you are putting them in the factory because that display only shows the name.
Khristen wrote:
Pawlin wrote:
So you've only seen this problem when using a schematic? Are your schematics labelled with the %? Are you absolutely 100% sure that you didn't mix up one FDP schematic with another FDP schematic of lesser quality? If the schematics aren't labelled with %'s then it is easy to get the wrong one when you are putting them in the factory because that display only shows the name.
As far as I can tell it's just with the schematic/factory made ones. Any individuals I've made since then have worked ok. I only keep current schematics in my datapad, and it's been ages since I ran any other crates of them. I made this batch specifically to run a set of harvesters through the factory since making them by hand has been so inconsistent.
Provided I have enough of my good resources left over after all of this, I will try another set of FDPs as a schematic and see what happens.
This would suggest to me that you need to test newly made schematics, not drop Master Architect. Try to make NEW LOMU and OMU schematics and see what happens. My first thought anyway.
Fivo Asia
Khristen wrote:
"I experimented the FDP to the absolute maximum highest percentage available (and no I don't remember the exact percentage) and made a schematic, but apparently that schematic isn't "good enough"."
"...I only keep current schematics in my datapad, and it's been ages since I ran any other crates of them. I made this batch specifically to run a set of harvesters through the factory since making them by hand has been so inconsistent...."
Pawlin wrote:
So you've only seen this problem when using a schematic? Are your schematics labelled with the %? Are you absolutely 100% sure that you didn't mix up one FDP schematic with another FDP schematic of lesser quality? If the schematics aren't labelled with %'s then it is easy to get the wrong one when you are putting them in the factory because that display only shows the name.