Architect Archive
Thread: The prices of small houses
BT-Trajan
Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:49 pm
#27
Pawlin wrote:
Fneegan wrote:
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Second, haven't we already hashed this outbefore ? Does it really need to be brought up again ?...
I think it says somewhere in the forum charter that we are required to debate pricing at least 2 times a month.
Pawlin, if that isnt in the forum charter it should be. Add to it a line that the person that brings it up each month has to suffer from beatings with wet noodles and recordings of Ethel Mermen singing "I'v Got a Feeling".
Pawlin
Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:10 pm
#28
Ouch. Its painful just thinking about that. I can use a man like you...
BT-Trajan wrote:
...the person that brings it up each month has to suffer from beatings with wet noodles and recordings of Ethel Mermen singing "I'v Got a Feeling".
KING Pawlin the Elitist dubs thee Grand Executioner of the court.
Here is your spatula.
/hands BT-Trajan a spatula.
ZenDragonMLS
Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:07 pm
#29
ravingbantha wrote:And why did I bring it back up, cause I wasn't involved in the previous discussions
Nothing has changed since the beginning of the game about architect pricing. It is all over the map and will continue to be all over the map. Just pick your business model and go have fun - it doesn't matter what the other guy does.
Anthemion
Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:12 pm
#30
I believe we are a bit doomed for pricing. Demand is never going to be huge since every item we create lasts indefinitely.
I sell my smalls cheap in the hopes that they will eventually upgrade to my more profitable houses and other items.
Untill we take on part of the maintanace system (selling structure repair kits) or our products get a finite lifetime, we will be out of demand. So it seems to me.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not poor.
I sell my smalls cheap in the hopes that they will eventually upgrade to my more profitable houses and other items.
Untill we take on part of the maintanace system (selling structure repair kits) or our products get a finite lifetime, we will be out of demand. So it seems to me.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not poor.
Jonty7
Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:35 am
#31
I dont see what your problem is EIP sell Small houses for between 7-8k and make a profit on them
Fneegan
Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:13 am
#32
BT-Trajan wrote:
Pawlin wrote:
Fneegan wrote:
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Second, haven't we already hashed this outbefore ? Does it really need to be brought up again ?...
I think it says somewhere in the forum charter that we are required to debate pricing at least 2 times a month.
Pawlin, if that isnt in the forum charter it should be. Add to it a line that the person that brings it up each month has to suffer from beatings with wet noodles and recordings of Ethel Mermen singing "I'v Got a Feeling".
Oh, what number of "price-whining" are we onagain ?
Maybe, it should be removed from the charter altogether and replaced with something a little more realistic like "pricing being an INDIVIDUAL choice".
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Crimsonsplat
Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:31 am
#33
This thread has been rated W, for "Waste of space"by the Forum Poster Critics of America.
Bandola
Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:18 pm
#34
There is only one rule that anybody should use for pricing their goods:
Set your prices at a level that makes YOU happy and allows you to play the game in the way you want and that you can enjoy, anything else is selling YOURSELF short, it is a game (funny how some people seem to lose sight of that) and you are supposed to have FUN.
Lordartex
Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:24 pm
#35
Chatti wrote:
hi there,
so i see, i am not the only one having some probs with my profession.
right this weekend i thought more than once about my work and profession, thinking about
"is it better to solohunt, buffed, composit armored any kind of creature running around" as building up
city halls, harvester...?
i am selling my houses for 9k small, 55k medium, 100k large. that are fair and nice prices for kettemoor.
i could take more, but i think these prices are nice to my and my customers, so i want them this way.
but since this weekend im thinking if thats the right way. you know i was asked to build a city hall, you all know
what lots of work and ress we need for that. especially- i do all by hand i can!
then i told them the price- 350k. you should have heard their whining. you aks, who ismeant with"their"?
a group of 20 guys fresh home from buff hunting the whole day, talking about all the nice loots they found and how
much they earned... all comp armored and with the best weapons... lots of badges, so no beginner!
i always watch for that, because for beginner i do better prices... sometimes.
i bet they could afford that guild hall with 2 group missions they had! they buy weapons who break, or armor who
is breaking, for the same price as my city hall but try to push me down- i cant hear it anymore...
as some said before- i could sell my ress more expensive than my complete buildings and maybe soon i will
and go buffed hunting for tuskensalso... and sell orange rugparts for 1 mio, too? who knows
Preaching to the converted. Although on Shadowfire I've never seen a small house go for 20k. The most I've seen is 15k, and the average is around 9k, which is what I sell them for. I'm right in line with your priceing for the most part, although I sell my City halls for 425k.
Some base on a set price for resources, selling based on what they can get to sell the resources on the market. Others factor in harvesting costs and the actual grind cost of resources being under 2cpu. You can do it either way, or by testing the market. No method is "wrong", just different ways to set prices.
My method for pricing is looking around at the various prices of my galaxy and setting them. If weeks go by and I don't sell anything, I lower the prices. If I can't keep them on the vendors, I raise them a bit. Over the past year as an architect I've found the middle ground where I make money yet sell things on a constant basis. I am always busy filling orders and keeping my vendors stocked. A good business based on stocked vendors, fast order completion, and average prices for the main areas on Shadowfire.
Artex
Master Architect
FeydSWG
Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:24 pm
#36
I haven't been able to sell a small house for 20k since the first week of release. Although it's a reasonable cpu pricing structure for our goods, many people that would buy a small house can't afford it. I've kept mine at 10k, and since i keep dozens of types and styles in stock, people usually don't bother with the cheaper stuff (because they usually have to hunt more for it), but if I bumped the price then they'll spend the extra time finding that one architect that's selling for 5 or 6k and skip my vendors. As long as there's one guy out there that doesn't care about market values of his goods, then it's impossible to raise prices to a reasonable value.... It's been an uphill battle for a year now and it's best just to set the middle ground and keep business going.
Just be thankful that housing doesn't require uber resources... at least we can use the cheapest materials possible (stuff you wouldn't even spend 0.5 cpu on) and still make a bit of profit. Is it a thankless career? pretty much... but it's still worthwhile.... I've been at it since sometime in beta 2 (so a good year and a quarter to year and a half)... I don't see the lowballers ever going stopping... but they do lose money, give up and disappear in short order... those of us with the patience and love of the profession will always be around, and the community will know to just head straight to our vendors because they'll always be stocked.
Pawlin
Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:38 pm
#37
Smalls sell for 5-6k on the bazaar all the time on my server.
Last time I checked my records, in a 3 week period I'd sold 13 of them for 19k each off my vendor.
Stones_TM
Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:40 am
#38
Guys and gals.. It might just be me..
I dont know how you can defend making small houses and sell them for 5k or Guildhalls for 100k
a small house is 3.388 units .. + the time it takes you to craft the house.. (yeah you might have a factory.. .but that also uses energy and money for the upkeep)
at 5k for a small house people are paying 1.3 CPU and you get nothing for the time you spent..
for a Guildhall..is 55768 unit + time ...and we all know how long it takes to make one of those if you miss one resource thats on your scematic
if you sell a standard guildhall for 100k they are paying 1.7 cpu and still no money for the time you spent..
by undercutting the prices the only thing that happens is that prices get lower and lower and sooner or later you can not afford to build anything.. even if you harvest yourself...
I have seen guildhalls go for as low as 50k on starsider.. 50 k.. well at that price.. i bought 6 from him.. saves me the work, talked to him 3 weeks later, he dropped the profession to expensive, he was loosing money... Well go figure..
My point is.. people are willing to pay millions for a weapon.. 300k - 350k for a Composite.((which is 2868 units of resource , makes a average of 104 CPU).hundress of K for a painting.. but they are not willing to pay for a house.. NO BLOODY way if you wann cheat yourself you go do that BUT IM NOT
).hundress of K for a painting.. but they are not willing to pay for a house.. NO BLOODY way if you wann cheat yourself you go do that BUT IM NOTIf we all found some golden rule for a average price. . then it would be great. .
But i know its impossible..
Stones' Walker
Starsider
ravingbantha
Mon Sep 06, 2004 12:22 am
#39
What get's me the most is that, I sell my furniture at 10cpu and 20cpu for any hide used. I sell furniture all the time. Crafted paingtings for 10k for current, 15k for the last, and 20k for the rest.... and they all sell really really well. Yet customers complain about 15-20k for a house, gotta love thier thinking. It's like buying a ghetto house and putting $300k worth of furniture in it. But then again people arge that they have Marketing degrees and this makes sence to them.