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Thread: Yellow Cubes+Solidfying Agent vs. Looted Sword Cores vs. White Cubes

TossBag
Tue Mar 16, 2004 3:49 am
#1

I'm thinking of getting a Scythe made and I've read various posts about what is required etc... I'm wondering what the differences are in stats between abase looted sword core (+25min/max Damage, -0.4 Speed, 20 Range, 10 HAM) and a sword core created by a MWS using base components (Yellow Cube =+10min/max Damage and SolidfyingAgent = +10max Damage, 500 Integrity) and the Geonosian Sword Core Schematic.


Am I being a total n00b and is it a simple equation (crafted = +10min/20max) or do the experimentation points make alotof difference?


Can anyone who has made a Scythe/had one made for them, or even just made some of thesword cores, please post the details of what they used and the final results.


Thanks



Vorp
Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:44 am
#2

well i can say you that white cube + 10d gel will give you about 40-40 cores.


i gues that from that you can se that 25-25 loot cores are nothing to look after





Nerf 'Em All
And Let DEVs Sort' Em Out
(Usefull melee weaponry all from Scythes to Vibro Knucklers) Vorp Inc
Nyachani
Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:13 am
#3

Looted cores are trash, for the most part.


If this is YOUR scythe, a weapon you want to be as good as possible, get yellow cubes and gel. The difference is considerable. I've made cores up to 75 max with them.


good luck





-Destiny Rider
Dragonsilk Weaponmistress

Passion is the Star that guides me..
ivossk
Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:21 am
#4

yeah , yellow cubes and gel are the way to go. the looted ones that are good, only have a good range mod for ideal range... so, not that helpful. If you have great gels, you may consider green cubes though. They really add to condition well, it might give you more bang for your buck. good luck.
TossBag
Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:41 am
#5

Well after my 3rd 3 hour session down the Geonosian Lab this is what I have looted so far: -

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Sword Cores.
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7*Geo Sword Cores +26min/max dmg, -0.94 spd, 13 wound, 32 range, 6 health, 6 action, 5 mind.

3*Geo Sword Cores +32min/max dmg, -0.464 spd, 11 wound, 31 range, 6 health, 8 action, 7 mind.

7*Geo Sword Cores +25min/max dmg, -0.4 spd, 10 wound, 20 range, 10 health, 10 action, 10 mind.

4*Geo Sword Cores +25min/max dmg, -0.4 spd, 10 wound, 20 range, 10 health, 10 action, 10 mind.

4*Geo Sword Cores +25min/max dmg, -0.4 spd, 10 wound, 20 range, 10 health, 10 action, 10 mind.

4*Geo Sword Cores +25min/max dmg, -0.4 spd, 10 wound, 20 range, 10 health, 10 action, 10 mind.

2*Geo Sword Cores +25min/max dmg, -0.4 spd, 10 wound, 20 range, 10 health, 10 action, 10 mind.

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Solidfying Agents.
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5*Geo Solidfying Agents +13max dmg, 710 integrity.

2*Geo Solidfying Agents +14max dmg, 560 integrity.

4*Geo Solidfying Agents +10max dmg, 500 integrity.

4*Geo Solidfying Agents +10max dmg, 500 integrity.

3*Geo Solidfying Agents +10max dmg, 500 integrity.

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Cubes.
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1 White Cube (no serial).

7 White Cubes.

5 White Cubes.

2 White Cubes.

2 White Cubes.

5 Yellow Cubes +10min/max dmg, 3% effectiveness.

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Schematics.
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3*Genosian Sword Core.

1*Genosian Reinforced Core.

2*DXR-6 Rifle.


I destroyed about 20 White Cubes my first time down there because I ran out of pack space and I've not included the millions of Relics I've had or the Sonic Blasters (4 of them so far).


BTW I'm not some ninja looter or pile camper it was just theeasiest/fastest place to xp in order to master Swordsman and I wanted to getthe bits to have some custom weapons made.



I'm still looking for a MWS (melee specialist) on Eclipse to work with in order to produce a few items as I would rather do some experimenting then sell this stuff off as with thecurrent auction prices it seems people who have a genuine interest are losing out to people who camp loot piles.



Adrrl
Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:42 am
#6

doh what ya talking about ???
timothydog
Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:52 am
#7

Looted cores are crap IMO. Even the special ones I've seen weren't as good as cores I could make with yellow cubes and good +16 solidifying paste. Anyone wanting a scythe should go that route (yellow cubes and good paste).

Steve Timonson - Master Weaponsmith in Tuskens Bane Tatooine
Chilastra



Steve Timonson - Chilastra
JohnAdams
Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:28 am
#8

My advice to you and any other fighter; don't bother with the sword or reinforcement cores. If you take a gander at your bazaar, click on components and do a galaxy wide search. Look long enough and you will find cores selling around 1k apiece. White cubes will be selling for 6k. Greens and yellows will not be on the bazaar. Trust the free market.



But if you don't trust the free market, trust the math. The scythe is a limited use schematic - 2 uses. It takes 2 sword cores per scythe. Even with 7 looted sword cores (the most I have seen that has dropped), you will only get 2 scythes per use or 4 scythes per schem. If you have 7 identical power cubes, you can make 6 sword cores. 2 for a manufacturing schem and you get 2 scythes - same as with the looted sword cores. Now, if you look at your looted cores, the max was +26. The lowest yellow cube will give you + 10 damage. The lowest solidifying gel will give you +10 damage. So you are already at +20 before the WS starts. You will easily go way above +26. And since the WS can only make a max of 4 scythes per schem, why not wait and make the most of them. If you have 7 yellow cubes and 7 solidifying gels, you will have no problem getting a scythe made. Just ask any WS and they will probably gladly oblige you.



CrazyBob - grumpy old weaponsmith
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TossBag
Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:44 am
#9

What about the minimum damage?


The base looted sword cores have +25min/max damage whereas the base yellow cubes with a base solidfying agent will only give you +10min/+20max before experimentation...


What's the point in making 6 sword cores from cubes? If you can only make2 Scythes per use that means that 2 of those sword cores are going to be surplus to requirements.


I was considering having two scythes made using my 5 base yellow cubes and the 5 +13max dmg solidfying agents, 1 of each to makethe sword core prototype for the factory (fingers crossed on an amazing success) and then the other to make the four identical sword cores for the scythes. After that I'd like towait and hope I loot some really nice yellow cubes and solidfying agent before using up the last scythe scematic use.
Vorp
Tue Mar 16, 2004 9:05 am
#10






TossBag wrote:

What about the minimum damage?


The base looted sword cores have +25min/max damage whereas the base yellow cubes with a base solidfying agent will only give you +10min/+20max before experimentation...


What's the point in making 6 sword cores from cubes? If you can only make2 Scythes per use that means that 2 of those sword cores are going to be surplus to requirements.


I was considering having two scythes made using my 5 base yellow cubes and the 5 +13max dmg solidfying agents, 1 of each to makethe sword core prototype for the factory (fingers crossed on an amazing success) and then the other to make the four identical sword cores for the scythes. After that I'd like towait and hope I loot some really nice yellow cubes and solidfying agent before using up the last scythe scematic use.







man you are not listening to us huh?


if we could make you Geo cores whitout need of cubes or gels then they would be like 40-30 damage.


That are already better that basic loot ones.


now if you at least havewhite cubes + 10D gel then you are at 40-40 cores (that is about same stats as we use when we make normal swords/hammers etc


now we use 20-20 cube +10D gels and you are att 60-60 cores.


Whit real good cubes like 40-40 and +30D gel you are up to 80-100 cores (if you ever manage to find so good cubes/gel)


and you want to get 7 cubes / gels of same serrial becauseit will allow WS to make 2 weapons from 1 schematic charge. Scythe schematichave only 2 charges. So you can come to WS whit only 5 cubes/ gels (or 4 junk loot cores) and you will get 2 scythes. or you can come to us whit 2 batches that have 7 cubes/gels in each and get 4 Scythes from same schematic. more work give more reward.




Nerf 'Em All
And Let DEVs Sort' Em Out
(Usefull melee weaponry all from Scythes to Vibro Knucklers) Vorp Inc
TossBag
Tue Mar 16, 2004 9:33 am
#11






Vorp wrote:



man you are not listening to us huh?



and you want to get 7 cubes / gels of same serrial becauseit will allow WS to make 2 weapons from 1 schematic charge. Scythe schematichave only 2 charges. So you can come to WS whit only 5 cubes/ gels (or 4 junk loot cores) and you will get 2 scythes. or you can come to us whit 2 batches that have 7 cubes/gels in each and get 4 Scythes from same schematic. more work give more reward.







Yes I am listening but thanks for the attitude that really helps



I don't usually have a problem with adding up but I don't understand why I would need 2 lots of 7 cubes/agents for 4 scythes but only 1 lot of 5 cubes/agents for 2??? Why would I not be able to get 4 scythes made with 2 lots of 5 cubes/agents?



Jedi_Titus
Tue Mar 16, 2004 10:00 am
#12






TossBag wrote:

I don't usually have a problem with adding up but I don't understand why I would need 2 lots of 7 cubes/agents for 4 scythes but only 1 lot of 5 cubes/agents for 2??? Why would I not be able to get 4 scythes made with 2 lots of 5 cubes/agents?





That's easy to answer... follow the math


1 lot of 7 cubes:


make 1 core schematic..6 cubes left


the schematic and 6 cubes are used to make 6 identical cores..no cubes left, 6 cores


use 2 cores to make scythe manufacturing schematic...4 cores left


use manufacturing schematic and 4 cores to make 2 scythes


So 1 lot of 7 cubes can make 2 scythes.






Egan Vorlock: Master Weaponsmith, Carbineer - Starsider

Elesar Vorlock: Master Ranger, Creature Handler, Pistoleer, Proud Bothan - Starsider
Jedi_Titus
Tue Mar 16, 2004 10:18 am
#13

on a side note:




TossBag wrote:


I'm still looking for a MWS (melee specialist) on Eclipse to work with in order to produce a few items....






What do you expect to pay the smith? It sounds like you are expecting to get all 4 scythes back. That will completely use up a scythe schematic, and the schematics for the scythe are fairly valuable as well. If I were the smith you'd get 2 scythes back and I'd keep 2 as my fee. Those scythes could be worth quite a few credits if sold. You don't expect us to make you a premium high demand weapon for free do you?


I've found that it is easiest and normally makes everyone happiest to split the loot 50/50 like that. You may have looted the cubes, but they really aren't worth anything without the skill of a smith to turn them into a weapon.



Egan Vorlock: Master Weaponsmith, Carbineer - Starsider

Elesar Vorlock: Master Ranger, Creature Handler, Pistoleer, Proud Bothan - Starsider
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